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Yes..when I originally chose that 2 year timeframe I thought at the time it was a "very fair" guide to make a personal call on the conpanies progress..we have made excellent progress so far..BUT currently I'd be lying if I said I was happy with our business model focused on IP...many holders are also well aware that things can flip very rapidly once an announcement linked to potentially huge revenue streams is released..so, yes I'm currently a little flat like the rest of us long termers.
Have a good day....Texta ;)
When you come out about the date 1st jan, 2025 I was thinking it was too far but now it looks too near and still the situation on revenue is same. May be !!!
 
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The shorters always have an exit strategy.

They won’t get burnt unless approx 30,000 registered BRN shareholders let them continue doing what they have been doing.

GameStop is the prefect example.

They had to stop everything to help the shorters that were shorting GameStop get out because all the GameStop shareholders bought on market and sent the share price north very quickly.
The biggest problem with the GameStop example was a result of naked short-selling. They were shorting shares of stock that did not exist. Most of this was done by hedge funds, like Melvin Capital, who lost almost 50% of their investments and required roughly a $2.8 Billion bail-out.

At the time the short squeeze occurred, about 139% of GameStop shares were shorted. I believe that had they not been bailed out, it would have brought down a house of cards. These hedge fund companies are supposed to do just that, hedge investments against bad economic times, and without the bailout, it would have wiped out workers' pension funds. Eventually Melvin Capital decided to shut down and return the funds to investors, but I believe it was because they felt it was not profitable to them at that point.

I kind of find this irritating, since protecting the innocent from bad actors' poor investment decisions it feels as if they were rewarded for their bad behavior. They could have won big in the case of GameStop, but the retail investors behind the short-squeeze exposed their flawed plan. In my opinion, the individuals behind that flawed decision should have done time for fraud.

While the financial industry dislikes any type of regulation, I think that it should be required or at least an investment company must be insured to cover losses of funds that are invested on behalf of any type of retirement plan for workers. Unfortunately, this would make it less profitable for these companies who lobby the government against stricter rules, at least that is the case here in the US.

I believe the founder of Melvin Capital lost about 50% of his compensation as a result of the debacle, but given that his compensation came to about $800 million, only losing half of that seems like a punishment that is nowhere worthy of fitting the crime.
 
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Good morning,

In this episode of “This is Our Mission” podcast, Sean Hehir and guest, Dr. Eric Gallo, Technology R&D Senior Principal at Accenture Labs discuss the benefits of neuromorphic technology and the current state of edge computing plus advancements in SpaceTech. Dr. Gallo is at the forefront of next-generation computing technology and sustainable smart electronics. With a PhD in semiconductor devices and electronic materials, he has extensive experience in designing and prototyping advanced situational awareness systems for military and aerospace applications.

This podcast was giving us a very strong signal of whom we are dealing with, I believe indirectly that Sean and Rob (for that matter) have
sent out cryptic messages through the guests on our podcasts, as in EAP's or guests are actually the conduit between us and their client, working on design briefs, future potential products etc.

SELF-LEARNING NEUROMORPHIC ACOUSTIC MODEL FOR SPEECH RECOGNITION
US2024096313A1 • 2024-03-21 •
ACCENTURE GLOBAL SOLUTIONS LTD
Earliest priority: 2022-09-16 • Earliest publication: 2024-03-21


The above patent as with 4 others currently listed have us directly mentioned in the artwork, the above patent names Dr, Eric Gallo as one of
the inventors....I have mentioned ACCENTURE numerous times, in my opinion, they, like Digimarc Corp. act as conduits to the big whales currently
circling our technology, hidden at all times in a very thick "pea souper".

I agree with you. My first thought when I saw the new podcast was: Accenture mentioned us in their new patent (why should they if they don't want to use Akida?!!) and now they did a podcast with Sean (why should they if they do not want to use Akida?!!). This is more than promising!!! So more patience is needed ... Wait and See!
 
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Inside Amazon’s new ‘Just Walk Out’: AI transformers meets edge computing​

James Thomason@jathomason
July 31, 2024 6:07 PM
Amazon Just Walk Out

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On the first floor of an industrial modern office building, we are among a select group of journalists invited into a secretive lab at Amazon to see the latest Just Walk Out (JWO) technology.
Now used in more than 170 retail locations worldwide, JWO lets customers enter a store, select items, and leave without stopping to pay at a cashier, streamlining the shopping experience.

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We’re about to see the new AI-based system Amazon has developed, which uses multi-modal foundation models and transformer-based machine learning to simultaneously analyze data from various sensors in stores. Yes, this is the same fundamental technique used in large language models like GPT, only instead of generating text, these models generate receipts. This upgrade improves accuracy in complex shopping scenarios and makes the technology easier to deploy for retailers.
Our host is Jon Jenkins (JJ), Vice President of JWO at Amazon, who leads us past the small groups of Amazon employees sipping coffee in the lobby, through the glass security gates, and down a short dark hallway to a nondescript door. Inside we find ourselves standing in a full replica of your local bodega, complete with shelves of chips and candy, refrigerators of Coca Cola, Vitamin Water, Orbit Gum, and various odds and ends.
Aside from the electronic gates, and a latticework of Amazon’s specialized 4-in-1 camera devices above us, the lab store otherwise appears to be a perfectly ordinary retail shopping experience – minus the cashier.
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Photo: We couldn’t take photos in the lab, but here’s the real deal JWO store across the square

How JWO works​

JWO (they say “jay-woh” at Amazon) uses a combination of computer vision, sensor fusion, and machine learning to track what shoppers take from or return to shelves in a store. The process of building a store begins by creating a 3D map of the physical space using an ordinary iPhone or iPad.
The store is divided into product areas, which are discrete spaces that correlate with the inventory of products. Then, RGB cameras are installed on a rail system hanging from the ceiling, and weight sensors are installed at the front and back of each shelf.
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Photo: In the real JWO store cameras and sensors are suspended above the shopping area
JWO tracks the orientation of the head, left hand, and right hand to detect when a user interacts with a polygon. By fusing the inputs of multiple cameras and weight sensors, together with object recognition, the models predict with great accuracy whether a specific item was retained by the shopper.
JJ explains the system previously used multiple models in a chain to process different aspects of a shopping trip. “We used to run these models in a chain. Did he interact with a product space? Yes. Does the item match what we thought he did? Yes. Did he take one or did he take two? Did he end up putting that thing back or not? Doing that in a chain was slower, less accurate, and more costly.”
Now, all of this information is now processed by a single transformer model. “Our model generates a receipt instead of text, and it does it by taking all of these inputs and acting on them simultaneously, spitting out the receipt in one fell swoop. Just like GPT, where one model has language, it has images all in one model, we can do the same thing. Instead of generating text, we generate receipts.”
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Image: JWO Architecture courtesy Amazon
The improved AI model can now handle complex scenarios, such as multiple shoppers interacting with products simultaneously or obstructed camera views, by processing data from various sources including weight sensors. This enhancement minimizes receipt delays and simplifies deployment for retailers.
The system’s self-learning capabilities reduce the need for manual retraining in unfamiliar situations. Trained on 3D store maps and product catalogs, the AI can adapt to store layout changes and accurately identify items even when misplaced. This advancement marks a significant step forward in making frictionless shopping experiences more reliable and widely accessible.

JWO is powered by edge computing​

One of the interesting things we saw was Amazon’s productization of edge computing. Amazon confirmed that all model inference is performed on computing hardware installed on-premise. Like all AWS services, this hardware is fully managed by Amazon and priced into the total cost of the solution. In this respect, to the customer the service is still fully cloud-like.
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“We built our own edge computing devices that we deploy to these stores to do the vast majority of the reasoning on site. The reason for that is, first of all, it’s just faster if you can do it on site. It also means you need less bandwidth in and out of the store,” said JJ.
VentureBeat got a close up look at the new edge computing hardware. Each edge node is an approximately 8x5x3 rail-mounted enclosure featuring a conspicuously large air intake, which is itself installed inside a wall-mounted enclosure with networking and other gear.
Of course, Amazon would not comment on what exactly was inside these edge computing nodes just yet. However, since these are used for AI inference, we speculate they may include Amazon GPUs such as Trainium and Inferentia2, which AWS has positioned as a more affordable and accessible alternative to Nvidia’s GPUs.
JWO’s requirement to process and fuse information from multiple sensors in real-time shows why edge computing is emerging as a critical layer for real world AI inference use cases. The data is simply too large to stream back to inference models hosted in the cloud.

Scaling up with RFID​

Our next stop, down another long dark corridor, and behind another nondescript door, we found ourselves in another mock retail lab. This time we are inside something more like a retail clothier. Long racks with sweatshirts, hoodies, and sports apparel line the walls — each item with its own unique RFID tag.
In this lab, Amazon is rapidly integrating RFID technology into JWO. The AI architecture is still the same, featuring a multi-modal transformer fusing sensor inputs, but without the complexity of multiple cameras and weight sensors. All that is required for a retailer to implement this flavor of JWO is the RFID gate and RFID tags on the merchandise. Many retail clothing items already come with RFID tags from the manufacturer, making it all the easier to get up and running quickly.
The minimal infrastructure requirements here are a key advantage both in terms of cost and complexity. This flavor of JWO could also potentially be used for temporary retail inside of fairgrounds, festivals, and similar locations.

What it took Amazon to build JWO​

The JWO project was announced publicly in 2018, but the project R&D likely goes back a few years earlier. JJ politely declined to comment on exactly how large the JWO product team is or its total investment in the technology, though it did say over 90% of the JWO team is scientists, software engineers, and other technical staff.
However, a quick check of LinkedIn suggests the JWO team is at least 250 full time employees and could even be as high as 1000. According to job transparency site Comparably, the median compensation at Amazon is $180k per year.
Speculatively, then, assuming the cost breakdown of JWO development resembles other software and hardware companies, and further assuming Amazon started with its famous “two pizza team” of 10 full time staff back around 2015, that would put the cumulative R&D between $250M-$800M. (What’s a few hundred million between friends?)
The point is not to get a precise figure, but rather to put a ballpark on the cost of R&D for any enterprise thinking about building their JWO-like system from scratch. Our takeaway is: come prepared to spend several years and tens of million dollars to get there using the latest techniques and hardware. But why build if you can have it now?

The build-vs-buy dilemma in AI​

The estimated (speculative) cost of building a system like JWO illustrates the high-risk nature of R&D when it comes to enterprise AI, IoT, and complex technology integration. It also echoes what we heard from many enterprise decision makers a couple of weeks ago at VB Transform in San Francisco: Large dollar hard-tech AI investments only make sense for companies like Amazon, which can leverage platform effects to create economies of scale. It’s just too risky to invest in the infrastructure and R&D at this stage and face rapid obsolescence.
This dynamic is part of why we see hyperscale cloud providers winning in the AI space over in-house development. The complexity and cost associated with AI development are substantial barriers for most retailers. These businesses are focused on increasing efficiency and ROI, making them more likely to opt for pre-integrated, immediately deployable systems like JWO, leaving the technological heavy lifting to Amazon.
When it comes to customization, if AWS history is indicative, we’ll likely see components of JWO increasingly showing up as standalone cloud services. In fact, JJ revealed this has already happened with AWS Kinesis Video Streams, which originated in the JWO project. When asked if JWO models would be made available on AWS Bedrock for enterprises to innovate on their own, JJ responded, “We’re actually not, but it’s an interesting question.”

Toward widespread adoption of AI​

The advances in JWO AI models show the continuing impact of the transformer architecture across the AI landscape. This breakthrough in machine learning is not just revolutionizing natural language processing, but also complex, multi-modal tasks like those required in frictionless retail experiences. The ability of transformer models to efficiently process and fuse data from multiple sensors in real-time is pushing the boundaries of what’s possible in AI-driven retail (and other IoT solutions).
Strategically, Amazon is tapping into an immense new source of potential revenue growth: third-party retailers. This move plays to Amazon’s core strength of productizing its expertise and relentlessly pushing into adjacent markets. By offering JWO through Amazon Web Services (AWS) as a service, Amazon is not only solving a pain point for retailers but also expanding its dominance in the retail sector.
The integration of RFID technology into JWO, first announced back in the fall of 2023, remains an exciting development that could truly bring the system to the mass market. With millions of retail locations worldwide, it’s hard to overstate the size of the total addressable market – if the price is right. This RFID-based version of JWO, with its minimal infrastructure requirements and potential for use in temporary retail settings, could be a key to widespread adoption.
As AI and edge computing continue to evolve, Amazon’s JWO technology stands as a prime example of how hyperscalers are shaping the future of retail and beyond. By offering complex AI solutions as easily deployable services, the success of JWO’s and similar business models may well determine broader adoption of AI in everyday businesses.

There are some, who seem to think this technology, is already working in various shopping centers, here in Australia..
 
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Getupthere

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In my opinion the lenders and the shorters are from the same group.

Unfortunately when it came to revenue it looks like these guys were aware years before the retail shareholders.
 
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There are some, who seem to think this technology, is already working in various shopping centers, here in Australia..
Yes, but here we call it the 5 finger discount. 🤣
 
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Lecture from Berkley Uni in Jan 2024 by Assoc. Professor there who is also a Fellow / staff at Cern where I found this.

Whilst it is about HEP computing (high energy physics experiments from what I can find), they are at least also aware of us.

They list some of the usual "research" neuromorphic players but the size of them is pretty meh.

Was the line at the bottom of the slide I liked that separated us out.

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Full paper HERE
 
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I don’t know about you guys but I’m looking forward to a huge short squeeze. Just the imagination about how they will panic infront of their computer or phone, is already satisfying! Then I will turn to “the dean” and his friends and say “AHHHHH what a nice day to delete all your accounts and search for the next stock to bash ha?”

No but honestly….. it would be satisfying
I guess they've already been feeling that for the past 2 years or longer...
 
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Found this in the warren:


Do we really need NPUs now? (youtube.com)



At about 5 minutes, he provides a demonstration of the use of weights in an NPU.


2:25 - This slide shows that real estate on the chips is at a premium:
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You can see why they are moving to multi-layer (3D) chips.

The video assumes NNs use MACs. It does not address SNN.
 
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2:25 - This slide shows that real estate on the chips is at a premium:
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You can see why they are moving to multi-layer (3D) chips.

The video assumes NNs use MACs. It does not address SNN.
Only thing then is, you increase your cooling requirements (with 3D chips) with current technology..
 
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If we add one and one together, it’s obvious that we are on the brink of a breakthrough. It’s like in every person’s life. When you work hard on something, you put all your energy into it and, depending on the project, up to 90-95% of your assets. And when you are close to having used everything up, the tree starts to bear fruit. In such moments, the wheat is separated from the chaff! Do you give up and quit? In this case, all the effort was in vain, and you could have invested your energy and money elsewhere. Or do you give it your all at the end to leave no stone unturned and then enjoy the growth? It’s up to each individual to decide how to act. But think about how some people here in the forum have thought in the past, "If only I had held out a little longer" (not investment advice), just my personal view of things.
 
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Fu…. It I just sold all my shares ! What a sh.t Stock i was thinking I get millionair… now I’m sitting on a dead horse pretending I am a jokey… maybe more like a joke than a jokey… pump and dump sh…t…


Oh sorry wrong Forum… I thought it’s the Conico. Forum 😂
 
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If we add one and one together, it’s obvious that we are on the brink of a breakthrough. It’s like in every person’s life. When you work hard on something, you put all your energy into it and, depending on the project, up to 90-95% of your assets. And when you are close to having used everything up, the tree starts to bear fruit. In such moments, the wheat is separated from the chaff! Do you give up and quit? In this case, all the effort was in vain, and you could have invested your energy and money elsewhere. Or do you give it your all at the end to leave no stone unturned and then enjoy the growth? It’s up to each individual to decide how to act. But think about how some people here in the forum have thought in the past, "If only I had held out a little longer" (not investment advice), just my personal view of things.
Fu…. It I just sold all my shares ! What a sh.t Stock i was thinking I get millionair… now I’m sitting on a dead horse pretending I am a jokey… maybe more like a joke than a jokey… pump and dump sh…t…


Oh sorry wrong Forum… I thought it’s the Conico. Forum 😂
You are rightly showing better emotions. Almost every long term holder may be thinking like you.
But when you look at technology shares we are not alone here. Every big or small company has to go through these patches.
End of the day I would like to say only one thing " even the destiny support the braves" now if the company dies down then the brave will be those who sell their stock in time and if the company gets some deals and sp move up then the braves will be those who kept the shares even after so much of beating.

On a safe side we have at least 6 quarters of runway to survive, which means we can wait for next big announcement.
 
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You are rightly showing better emotions. Almost every long term holder may be thinking like you.
But when you look at technology shares we are not alone here. Every big or small company has to go through these patches.
End of the day I would like to say only one thing " even the destiny support the braves" now if the company dies down then the brave will be those who sell their stock in time and if the company gets some deals and sp move up then the braves will be those who kept the shares even after so much of beating.

On a safe side we have at least 6 quarters of runway to survive, which means we can wait for next big announcement.
Sure! That’s why it is also important to make your own research right? But let us be honest… if I would look only to the share price, I would never invest. But if you look to the progress, with feedbacks from all our partners and prognosis for our sector, you can not ignore the positiv Aspects which are major to me… the only negative is the share price… everything else is fine… and contracts will be signed As well.. you can not tell me that we will fail after all this positive feedback! 🤷🏻‍♂️
 
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I had a thought which is unusual, but Sean did say we are very close to getting one maybe 2 things across the line, don’t be too shocked if we don’t get any announcement this year due to NDA?
 
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I had a thought which is unusual, but Sean did say we are very close to getting one maybe 2 things across the line, don’t be too shocked if we don’t get any announcement this year due to NDA?
As soon as they have an unconditional agreement they are required to disclose it to the market under the continuous disclosure rules of the ASX. They can't hide behind an NDA in that situation.
 
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I had a thought which is unusual, but Sean did say we are very close to getting one maybe 2 things across the line, don’t be too shocked if we don’t get any announcement this year due to NDA?
I am sure he will be very keen to announce a deal but a NDA is a NDA and must be honored.

I would say 50/50 if a signed deal involve a NDA or not, I guess it's more during the evaluation phase they keep it under the radar?

The 4C's will reveal if a deal is struck or not, IF a large lump-sum is paid. I think Sean said they are flexible regarding the IP deals and some might not want to pay a large sum up first but then pay a bit more for each chip sold.

As soon as they have an unconditional agreement they are required to disclose it to the market under the continuous disclosure rules of the ASX. They can't hide behind an NDA in that situation.
Okay but what do they do if the customer insists on secrecy?
 
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