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Thanks for understanding!!
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That's really a great pity and I wish you would make a different decision. Thank you for all your work for us and hopefully we will meet here again sometime. Maybe there is a compromise and you let us know from time to time what your thoughts are regardless of what has been discussed or talked about here?
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Looks to me like the different charges went bang and we've lost both?
Hopefully I'm wrong.
Frangi, I would also miss your detective work for us very much.
Somehow it feels like a déjà vu to me.
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Minimal energy required and water cooling not necessary.
AI ...At the Edge.
Right place, right time.
Brainchip AKIDA
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AI ...At the Edge.
Right place, right time.
Brainchip AKIDA
AI’s craving for data is matched only by a runaway thirst for water and energy | John Naughton
The computing power for AI models requires immense – and increasing – amounts of natural resources. Legislation is required to prevent environmental crisis
Tothemoon24
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Sirod69
bavarian girl ;-)
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Elon Musk: AI will run out of electricity and transformers in 2025
Elon Musk: AI will run out of electricity and transformers in 2025
"I've never seen any technology advance faster than this." The chip shortage may be behind us, but AI and EVs are expanding at such a rapacious rate that the world will face supply crunches in electricity and transformers next year, says Elon Musk.
I've never seen any technology advance faster than this." The chip shortage may be behind us, but AI and EVs are expanding at such a rapacious rate that the world will face supply crunches in electricity and transformers next year, says Elon Musk.
By Loz Blain
March 01, 2024
Elon Musk gave a closing Q&A (albeit a remote one) at the Bosch Connected World conference
Bosch Connected World conference
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In a dial-in Q&A to close the Bosch Connected World conference, the recent Nobel Peace Prize nominee spoke about self-driving cars and humanoid robots, and hinted at what's coming next from Tesla in electric vehicles – but he clearly wanted to send the clearest possible signal to industry as well: Get going on clean energy generation, and make as many electrical transformers as you can.
Sheep's jolly AI-powered garden bot edges, trims and blows
We'll let Musk take it from here in his own words, lightly edited:
"The artificial intelligence compute coming online appears to be increasing by a factor of 10 every six months. Like, obviously that cannot continue at such a high rate forever, or it'll exceed the mass of the universe, but I've never seen anything like it. The chip rush is bigger than any gold rush that's ever existed.
Elon Musk
"I think we really are on the edge of probably the biggest technology revolution that has ever existed. You know, there's supposedly a Chinese curse: 'May you live in interesting times.' Well, we live in the most interesting of times. For a while, it was making me a bit depressed, frankly. I was like, 'Well, will they take over? Will we be useless?' But the way I reconciled myself to this question was: Would I rather be alive to see the AI apocalypse or not? I'm like, I guess I'd like to see this. It's not gonna be boring.
"The constraints on AI compute are very predictable... A year ago, the shortage was chips; neural net chips. Then, it was very easy to predict that the next shortage will be voltage step-down transformers. You've got to feed the power to these things. If you've got 100-300 kilovolts coming out of a utility and it's got to step down all the way to six volts, that's a lot of stepping down.
"My not-that-funny joke is that you need transformers to run transformers. You know, the AI is like... There's this thing called a transformer in AI... I don't know, it's a combination of sort of neural nets... Anyway, they're running out of transformers to run transformers.
"Then, the next shortage will be electricity. They won't be able to find enough electricity to run all the chips. I think next year, you'll see they just can't find enough electricity to run all the chips.
"The simultaneous growth of electric cars and AI, both of which need electricity, both of which need voltage transformers – I think, is creating a tremendous demand for electrical equipment and for electrical power generation."
The idea that the developed world's lights will begin flickering in 2025 because there are so many AIs being trained is pretty remarkable, and if Musk is right, it greatly underscores the need for massive amounts of clean energy, from a variety of different sources, yesterday.
Interesting times, indeed!
Pom down under
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That's really a great pity and I wish you would make a different decision. Thank you for all your work for us and hopefully we will meet here again sometime. Maybe there is a compromise and you let us know from time to time what your thoughts are regardless of what has been discussed or talked about here?
...
Looks to me like the different charges went bang and we've lost both?
Hopefully I'm wrong.
Frangi, I would also miss your detective work for us very much.
Somehow it feels like a déjà vu to me.
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Don't be surprised, I've already mentioned it here or there, I'm feeling fine in the middle because I'm the middle of five 'children'. I think that shaped me a bit when big brother and little sister or big sister and little brother disputed a long time ago; one family but both look at me and await my positioningThat's a sad thing. I'm backing off a bit now because I don't like quarrelling in the family or in this group. It should always be possible to resolve such things through dialogue or calmly ignore.
I for one have often considered deleting my avatar and starting again with a fresh one. It's just a shell, also for my other group in which I can contribute significantly more.
peace
Fridges?
ndefries
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It's ok I have lived through three FF walkabouts of recent years. My observation is that he needs you all as much as you need him. Just don't kill anyone while he is away.
supersonic001
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Haven't even read the whole story but seems the same shit just a different day. Ego is not a dirty word, well unfortunately dealing with some it is. The need to be "Right" can be a little strong in some. Many will just pass over it and move on but sometimes when 2 strong minded individuals butt heads, the fireworks fly.
Just a quick note, I've been guilty in the past of typing on the forum my view but hopefully I've graduated from that. If people don't agree that is okay, but instead of having the fight on the boards, message each other privately. Last time I spat the dummy here, a few people privately messaged me as they didn't want to take the conversation on the boards (in fear of being attacked). But it taught me a lesson, that it can be easily fixed without trying to get the whole forum involved, divided and on "teams!"
I feel the forum is the best place to discuss things, but once you decide to play the man and not the ball or save us all from reading the back and forth that most here likely don't want to read, take it private. (Then don't post those messages here, that's the point of private) Anyway, that's my 2c worth, there is a an easy solution to resolve disagreements, the difference being some just need an audience to do so. Pretty sure 99% here have graduated from high school, lets leave that school yard stuff off the boards? (I'll continue to try my best to do so).
Bring on the rocket ships next week!!!! (Always a good to finish with a mindless ramp!!!)
Just a quick note, I've been guilty in the past of typing on the forum my view but hopefully I've graduated from that. If people don't agree that is okay, but instead of having the fight on the boards, message each other privately. Last time I spat the dummy here, a few people privately messaged me as they didn't want to take the conversation on the boards (in fear of being attacked). But it taught me a lesson, that it can be easily fixed without trying to get the whole forum involved, divided and on "teams!"
I feel the forum is the best place to discuss things, but once you decide to play the man and not the ball or save us all from reading the back and forth that most here likely don't want to read, take it private. (Then don't post those messages here, that's the point of private) Anyway, that's my 2c worth, there is a an easy solution to resolve disagreements, the difference being some just need an audience to do so. Pretty sure 99% here have graduated from high school, lets leave that school yard stuff off the boards? (I'll continue to try my best to do so).
Bring on the rocket ships next week!!!! (Always a good to finish with a mindless ramp!!!)
SharesForBrekky
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Oh wow!
www.tomshardware.com
"Dell, one of the world's largest server makers, has spilled the beans on Nvidia's upcoming AI GPUs, codenamed Blackwell. Apparently, these processors will consume up to 1000 Watts, a 40% increase in power over the prior-gen, requiring Dell to use its engineering ingenuity to cool these GPUs down."
Nvidia's next-gen AI GPUs could draw an astounding 1000 Watts each, a 40 percent increase — Dell spills the beans on B100 and B200 in its earnings call
A lot of power for an AI and HPC processor.
"Dell, one of the world's largest server makers, has spilled the beans on Nvidia's upcoming AI GPUs, codenamed Blackwell. Apparently, these processors will consume up to 1000 Watts, a 40% increase in power over the prior-gen, requiring Dell to use its engineering ingenuity to cool these GPUs down."
Baron Von Ricta
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The trouble with non personal communication is that often there can be 2 or more interpretations.
Like the bloke that went to his Doctor about a sex problem. The Doctor asks him how often he has sex. The bloke says in-frequently. The Doctor says is that one word or two
Respect from anonymous persons is difficult depending on the individuals agenda.
Onward and upward with whoever chooses to board the bus.
Teach22
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Nice one TechGirl.
I‘m wondering if anyone will be creating a page with odds on how long FF stays away for this time.
Sounds like you don't want him back.??????Nice one TechGirl.
I‘m wondering if anyone will be creating a page with odds on how long FF stays away for this time.
supersonic001
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Elon Musk: AI will run out of electricity and transformers in 2025
Elon Musk: AI will run out of electricity and transformers in 2025
"I've never seen any technology advance faster than this." The chip shortage may be behind us, but AI and EVs are expanding at such a rapacious rate that the world will face supply crunches in electricity and transformers next year, says Elon Musk.newatlas.com
I've never seen any technology advance faster than this." The chip shortage may be behind us, but AI and EVs are expanding at such a rapacious rate that the world will face supply crunches in electricity and transformers next year, says Elon Musk.
By Loz Blain
March 01, 2024
Elon Musk gave a closing Q&A (albeit a remote one) at the Bosch Connected World conference
Bosch Connected World conference
VIEW 1 IMAGES
In a dial-in Q&A to close the Bosch Connected World conference, the recent Nobel Peace Prize nominee spoke about self-driving cars and humanoid robots, and hinted at what's coming next from Tesla in electric vehicles – but he clearly wanted to send the clearest possible signal to industry as well: Get going on clean energy generation, and make as many electrical transformers as you can.
Sheep's jolly AI-powered garden bot edges, trims and blows
We'll let Musk take it from here in his own words, lightly edited:
"The artificial intelligence compute coming online appears to be increasing by a factor of 10 every six months. Like, obviously that cannot continue at such a high rate forever, or it'll exceed the mass of the universe, but I've never seen anything like it. The chip rush is bigger than any gold rush that's ever existed.
Elon Musk
"I think we really are on the edge of probably the biggest technology revolution that has ever existed. You know, there's supposedly a Chinese curse: 'May you live in interesting times.' Well, we live in the most interesting of times. For a while, it was making me a bit depressed, frankly. I was like, 'Well, will they take over? Will we be useless?' But the way I reconciled myself to this question was: Would I rather be alive to see the AI apocalypse or not? I'm like, I guess I'd like to see this. It's not gonna be boring.
"The constraints on AI compute are very predictable... A year ago, the shortage was chips; neural net chips. Then, it was very easy to predict that the next shortage will be voltage step-down transformers. You've got to feed the power to these things. If you've got 100-300 kilovolts coming out of a utility and it's got to step down all the way to six volts, that's a lot of stepping down.
"My not-that-funny joke is that you need transformers to run transformers. You know, the AI is like... There's this thing called a transformer in AI... I don't know, it's a combination of sort of neural nets... Anyway, they're running out of transformers to run transformers.
"Then, the next shortage will be electricity. They won't be able to find enough electricity to run all the chips. I think next year, you'll see they just can't find enough electricity to run all the chips.
"The simultaneous growth of electric cars and AI, both of which need electricity, both of which need voltage transformers – I think, is creating a tremendous demand for electrical equipment and for electrical power generation."
The idea that the developed world's lights will begin flickering in 2025 because there are so many AIs being trained is pretty remarkable, and if Musk is right, it greatly underscores the need for massive amounts of clean energy, from a variety of different sources, yesterday.
Interesting times, indeed!
…. It’s taken a while, hence Elon, off gird compute at the edge = BRN baby !
rgupta
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He may be preparing a ground for his own neurolink. Dyor
MDhere
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I wonder if Nvidia, Apple, Amazon have tiny tiny forums like this bickering like little ants in a molehill. The sooner we get to $4 this stupid bickering about he said this, she said that will all be over. I dare say the Americans will take over (lucky i won't hear the loud accent) (no offence to the rowdy americans)
We have uncovered alot in this anonymous group now time for Brainchip to uncover it all so we can say see he was right, she was right, I said it first, no he said it 45 messages ago.
Lol
HAPPY SUNDAY fellow brners
It's going to be a great week, well for me i know it will be but im just a tiny ant in a molehill. (Yeah I know I got the saying wrong but u all know what I mean )
We have uncovered alot in this anonymous group now time for Brainchip to uncover it all so we can say see he was right, she was right, I said it first, no he said it 45 messages ago.
Lol
HAPPY SUNDAY fellow brners
It's going to be a great week, well for me i know it will be but im just a tiny ant in a molehill. (Yeah I know I got the saying wrong but u all know what I mean )
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Bravo
If ARM was an arm, BRN would be its biceps💪!
AI’s craving for data is matched only by a runaway thirst for water and energy
John Naughton
The computing power for AI models requires immense – and increasing – amounts of natural resources. Legislation is required to prevent environmental crisis
Sun 3 Mar 2024 02.55 AEDT
One of the most pernicious myths about digital technology is that it is somehow weightless or immaterial. Remember all that early talk about the “paperless” office and “frictionless” transactions? And of course, while our personal electronic devices do use some electricity, compared with the washing machine or the dishwasher, it’s trivial.
Belief in this comforting story, however, might not survive an encounter with Kate Crawford’s seminal book, Atlas of AI, or the striking Anatomy of an AI System graphic she composed with Vladan Joler. And it certainly wouldn’t survive a visit to a datacentre – one of those enormous metallic sheds housing tens or even hundreds of thousands of servers humming away, consuming massive amounts of electricity and needing lots of water for their cooling systems.
On the energy front, consider Ireland, a small country with an awful lot of datacentres. Its Central Statistics Office reports that in 2022 those sheds consumed more electricity (18%) than all the rural dwellings in the country, and as much as all Ireland’s urban dwellings. And as far as water consumption is concerned, a study by Imperial College London in 2021 estimated that one medium-sized datacentre used as much water as three average-sized hospitals. Which is a useful reminder that while these industrial sheds are the material embodiment of the metaphor of “cloud computing”, there is nothing misty or fleecy about them. And if you were ever tempted to see for yourself, forget it: it’d be easier to get into Fort Knox.
There are now between 9,000 and 11,000 of these datacentres in the world. Many of them are beginning to look a bit dated, because they’re old style server-farms with thousands or millions of cheap PCs storing all the data – photographs, documents, videos, audio recordings, etc – that a smartphone-enabled world generates in such casual abundance.
But that’s about to change, because the industrial feeding frenzy around AI (AKA machine learning) means that the materiality of the computing “cloud” is going to become harder to ignore. How come? Well, machine learning requires a different kind of computer processor – graphics processing units (GPUs) – which are considerably more complex (and expensive) than conventional processors. More importantly, they also run hotter, and need significantly more energy.
On the cooling front, Kate Crawford notes in an article published in Nature last week that a giant datacentre cluster serving OpenAI’s most advanced model, GPT-4, is based in the state of Iowa. “A lawsuit by local residents,” writes Crawford, “revealed that in July 2022, the month before OpenAI finished training the model, the cluster used about 6% of the district’s water. As Google and Microsoft prepared their Bard and Bing large language models, both had major spikes in water use – increases of 20% and 34%, respectively, in one year, according to the companies’ environmental reports.”
Within the tech industry, it has been widely known that AI faces an energy crisis, but it was only at the World Economic Forum in Davos in January that one of its leaders finally came clean about it. OpenAI’s boss Sam Altman warned that the next wave of generative AI systems will consume vastly more power than expected, and that energy systems will struggle to cope. “There’s no way to get there without a breakthrough,” he said.
What kind of “breakthrough”? Why, nuclear fusion, of course. In which, coincidentally, Mr Altman has a stake, having invested in Helion Energy way back in 2021. Smart lad, that Altman; never misses a trick.
As far as cooling is concerned, it looks as though runaway AI also faces a challenge. At any rate, a paper recently published on the arXiv preprint server by scientists at the University of California, Riverside, estimates that “operational water withdrawal” – water taken from surface or groundwater sources – of global AI “may reach [between] 4.2 [and] 6.6bn cubic meters in 2027, which is more than the total annual water withdrawal of … half of the United Kingdom”.
Given all that, you can see why the AI industry is, er, reluctant about coming clean on its probable energy and cooling requirements. After all, there’s a bubble on, and awkward facts can cause punctures. So it’s nice to be able to report that soon they may be obliged to open up. Over in the US, a group of senators and representatives have introduced a bill to require the federal government to assess AI’s current environmental footprint and develop a standardised system for reporting future impacts. And over in Europe, the EU’s AI Act is about to become law. Among other things, it requires “high-risk AI systems” (which include the powerful “foundation models” that power ChatGPT and similar AIs) to report their energy consumption, use of resources and other impacts throughout their lifespan.
It’d be nice if this induces some investors to think about doing proper due diligence before jumping on the AI bandwagon.
AI’s craving for data is matched only by a runaway thirst for water and energy | John Naughton
The computing power for AI models requires immense – and increasing – amounts of natural resources. Legislation is required to prevent environmental crisis
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