BRN Discussion Ongoing

[Foxdog]

Valeo and Mobileye partnership hmmm

Valeo on LinkedIn: World-Class Imaging Radars are in sight! 👀📡 During IAA MOBILITY 2023…

World-Class Imaging Radars are in sight! 👀📡 During IAA MOBILITY 2023, Mobileye and Valeo announced a new partnership to deliver software-defined best-in…

www.linkedin.com

Aren't mobileye a direct competitor for BRN?

 

[rayzor]

In the news today. Top and Bottom movers for the day A little positive news how 1/2 cent can make your day

 

[Diogenese]

MB is not an NDA but rather an EAP. I suppose NVIDIA is an NDA. Gets confusing though.

Hi dhm,

Most EAPs would be NDAs.

I think (& hope) MB is very much an NDA. They will have the right to control the release of information. They told us about "Hey Mercedes!" but nothing else.

Lots we don't know:

Driver monitoring system
in-cabin occupancy
Driver recognition
ADAS (lidar, camera, ultrasound, ...)

Is Akida in the EQE?

Is the Luminar lidar hooked up to Akida in CLA?

 

[Foxdog]

Listen carefully
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I must have missed it. I didn't hear neuromorphic, Brainchip or AKIDA mentioned, yet there are lots of fire emojis and hearts, likes etc. Can someone please tell me why this interview suggests BRN is still involved

 

[suss]

Hi dhm,

Most EAPs would be NDAs.

I think (& hope) MB is very much an NDA. They will have the right to control the release of information. They told us about "Hey Mercedes!" but nothing else.

Lots we don't know:

Driver monitoring system
in-cabin occupancy
Driver recognition
ADAS (lidar, camera, ultrasound, ...)

Is Akida in the EQE?

Is the Luminar lidar hooked up to Akida in CLA?

+Drivetrain monitoring

 

[robsmark]

MB is not an NDA but rather an EAP. I suppose NVIDIA is an NDA. Gets confusing though.

Hey Dhm,

I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that if MB are an EAP customer, they’re under an NDA. I’ve signed countless NDAs as a consultant and they are usually at a very early stage of any contractual discussion.

With a tech like Akida, Brainchip would have all EAP customers signing a watertight NDA. This would protect their IP should the customer decide against using Akida (also applicable if they do). The conditions attached to that NDA are anyone’s guess, but the tweet last year tells me one of two things:

1. MB aren’t an NDA customer (for what it’s worth I believe they are); or
2. There is nothing in the NDA prohibiting about referencing the Akida generally, and it solely focuses on technical attributes.

It could also be that MB received a “please explain” from Brainchip last year following the tweet, resulting in their continued silence since.

Just some rambling thoughts.

 

[Diogenese]

Valeo and Mobileye partnership hmmm

Valeo on LinkedIn: World-Class Imaging Radars are in sight! 👀📡 During IAA MOBILITY 2023…

World-Class Imaging Radars are in sight! 👀📡 During IAA MOBILITY 2023, Mobileye and Valeo announced a new partnership to deliver software-defined best-in…

www.linkedin.com

This is one of Mobileye's radar patent applications:


WO2023067385A2 RADAR-CAMERA FUSION FOR VEHICLE NAVIGATION 20211018

Systems and methods for navigating a host vehicle based on RADAR-camera fusion are disclosed. In one implementation, a system includes a processor configured to receive images acquired by a camera onboard the host vehicle; identify a representation of a target vehicle in one of the images; receive from a RADAR system an indicator of a range between the host vehicle and the target vehicle; based on analysis of the images, identify in the image a ground intersection point associated with the target vehicle and a road surface; and determine an elevation value for the road surface based on the indicator of the range between the host vehicle and the target vehicle, the determined ground intersection point, and an angle of inclination between an optical axis of the camera and a ray directed toward a location of the ground intersection point.

And this is their NN processor:
US2022215226A1 NEURAL NETWORK PROCESSOR

[0103] The neural network processor 700 includes kernel memory 710 , a first input data memory 720 , a 3D memory unit 750 , a hardware processing unit 730 , a manipulator 740 , and a controller 770 . The controller 770 is configured to control the neural network processor 700 . Kernel memory 710 is configured to store a group of kernels utilized in neural network processing. The first input data memory 720 is configured to store first layer input data, such as the 2D first input values 401 illustrated above with respect to FIG. 4. In some embodiments, the 3D memory unit 750 includes the structure illustrated with respect to FIG. 9. In these embodiments, the 3D memory unit 750 includes data paths between at least some corresponding storage elements in adjacent rows of the 3D memory unit 750 , as illustrated above with respect to FIG. 9 and data path 661.
[0104] The hardware processing unit 730 is configured to perform neural network processing operations, for example, convolution, maxpool (or any other reduction function), multiplying, adding, subtracting, and the like. The hardware processing unit 730 may include, adder 652 A and multiplier 650 A of FIG. 6 and addr 652 B and multiplier 650 B of FIG. 7 in at least some embodiments.

Can't help feeling there must be a better way of doing this?!

 

[Stable Genius]

This is one of Mobileye's radar patent applications:


WO2023067385A2 RADAR-CAMERA FUSION FOR VEHICLE NAVIGATION 20211018


View attachment 43946


Systems and methods for navigating a host vehicle based on RADAR-camera fusion are disclosed. In one implementation, a system includes a processor configured to receive images acquired by a camera onboard the host vehicle; identify a representation of a target vehicle in one of the images; receive from a RADAR system an indicator of a range between the host vehicle and the target vehicle; based on analysis of the images, identify in the image a ground intersection point associated with the target vehicle and a road surface; and determine an elevation value for the road surface based on the indicator of the range between the host vehicle and the target vehicle, the determined ground intersection point, and an angle of inclination between an optical axis of the camera and a ray directed toward a location of the ground intersection point.

And this is their NN processor:
US2022215226A1 NEURAL NETWORK PROCESSOR

View attachment 43948

[0103] The neural network processor 700 includes kernel memory 710 , a first input data memory 720 , a 3D memory unit 750 , a hardware processing unit 730 , a manipulator 740 , and a controller 770 . The controller 770 is configured to control the neural network processor 700 . Kernel memory 710 is configured to store a group of kernels utilized in neural network processing. The first input data memory 720 is configured to store first layer input data, such as the 2D first input values 401 illustrated above with respect to FIG. 4. In some embodiments, the 3D memory unit 750 includes the structure illustrated with respect to FIG. 9. In these embodiments, the 3D memory unit 750 includes data paths between at least some corresponding storage elements in adjacent rows of the 3D memory unit 750 , as illustrated above with respect to FIG. 9 and data path 661.
[0104] The hardware processing unit 730 is configured to perform neural network processing operations, for example, convolution, maxpool (or any other reduction function), multiplying, adding, subtracting, and the like. The hardware processing unit 730 may include, adder 652 A and multiplier 650 A of FIG. 6 and addr 652 B and multiplier 650 B of FIG. 7 in at least some embodiments.

Can't help feeling there must be a better way of doing this?!

Hi @Diogenese

Would I be right in reading the patent date of 18/10/2021 ?

Reading the Valeo/MobileEye partnership announcement I thought it left the door open to Valeo supplying the hardware?

“Valeo will lead the system design of the new imaging radar product by integrating Mobileye’s groundbreaking imaging radar technology and corresponding software and algorithms embedded in the Mobileye Radar chipset into Valeo’s automotive software and hardware radar solutions. Leveraging Valeo’s expertise in producing the latest automotive technologies at scale and its global industrial footprint, the complete Imaging radar solution will be produced by Valeo.”

But then again if that were the case what would they need Mobileye for so maybe I’m wrong on that?

 

[Quatrojos]

Hey Dhm,

I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that if MB are an EAP customer, they’re under an NDA. I’ve signed countless NDAs as a consultant and they are usually at a very early stage of any contractual discussion.

With a tech like Akida, Brainchip would have all EAP customers signing a watertight NDA. This would protect their IP should the customer decide against using Akida (also applicable if they do). The conditions attached to that NDA are anyone’s guess, but the tweet last year tells me one of two things:

1. MB aren’t an NDA customer (for what it’s worth I believe they are); or
2. There is nothing in the NDA prohibiting about referencing the Akida generally, and it solely focuses on technical attributes.

It could also be that MB received a “please explain” from Brainchip last year following the tweet, resulting in their continued silence since.

Just some rambling thoughts.

The NDA is likely one-sided.

Why would BRN want to ensure that Mercedes remains quiet about their tech?

Also rambling...

 

[IloveLamp]

Hi dhm,

Most EAPs would be NDAs.

I think (& hope) MB is very much an NDA. They will have the right to control the release of information. They told us about "Hey Mercedes!" but nothing else.

Lots we don't know:

Driver monitoring system
in-cabin occupancy
Driver recognition
ADAS (lidar, camera, ultrasound, ...)

Is Akida in the EQE?

Is the Luminar lidar hooked up to Akida in CLA?

Yes and yes. You're welcome

 

[IloveLamp]

https://www.nokia.com/networks/mobile-networks/mantaray-son/?did=D000000001BO&utm_source=linkedin&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=mobile_networks&utm_term=c58adb20-5789-48bb-bd96-0ff322311d53

https://www.nokia.com/networks/mobile-networks/airscale-radio-access/baseband/?did=D000000001BO&utm_source=linkedin&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=mobile_networks&utm_term=c58adb20-5789-48bb-bd96-0ff322311d53

(Also, Recently announced, NOKIA is working with the Adelaide space agency / Nasa on a network of satellites)

 

[robsmark]

The NDA is likely one-sided.

Why would BRN want to ensure that Mercedes remains quiet about their tech?

Also rambling...

If MB are working with Brainchip to test integration of Akida into their product, who knows what sensitive information they could potentially be exposed to. I can almost guarantee that the NDA would not be one sided. Both parties would have their own agreements.

 

[Fullmoonfever]

https://www.eetimes.com/new-silicon-labs-platform-chases-big-ai-ml-compute-gain/

There was very little detail on the new Series 3 platform itself (you could call this a pre-announcement). But Johnson said things like, “this is a watershed moment,” and “this would increase the adoption of IoT to the next level.” He also emphasized that the new platform wasn’t just an incremental step but a massive step–in terms of enabling 100× improvement in compute performance for AI/ML workloads, more security and greater power efficiency.

In his Q&A session with media, Johnson said that the AI/ML-workload-performance improvement is enabled by architectural design innovation, using proprietary compute engines developed with efficiency for the edge in mind.

@Tothemoon24

Was just reading that article you posted and the interesting statement I'm pondering

A couple of ML Dev tools they offer / partner with just happen to also be Edge Impulse and TensorFlow.

Never know

He added, “Our Series 3 platform is built for a more connected world that demands development flexibility and that more intelligence be pushed to the edge.”

The new platform will move to a 22-nm process technology mode and leverage non-volatile memory tech and off-the-shelf IP blocks.

 

[cosors]

Last post from me here and if someone who has contact with zee can you tell him to check email
Regards to deletion of my account.
I'll leave you with this as a parting gift.
View attachment 43902

Rise!
Whatever comes I wish you a good time! I for one will miss you very much and thank you for all the information you shared with us, but also for the good conversation in the bar and here! Your heart is in/at (?) the right place.

And of course I hope that zee doesn't receive your mail because it ends up in the junk and you can still sneak around here. It would be pitty if you didn't.
So hopefully see you again and please say hello to Bacon for me if you are still in contact.
At the latest when the SNN jacket Akida-inside from your post is available in the shops I expect you in the bar for a beer with homemade bread and good tunes from DJ Esq. Whether with your current avatar because your mail has rotted in zee's junk-bin or fresh with a new avatar. Have a good time, enjoy the time and enjoy the ride on this infinitely spinning ball!

See you then!

 

[Jasonk]

I hope qualcomm are buying akida from ARM while they are one of the top clients.

 

[Fullmoonfever]

Couple years old but interesting slide from a presso on ADAS sensor trends etc

Can see who is or were possibly playing with neuromorphic cameras.

EXECUTIVE LENS
Summarized insights for ADAS
Sensors w.r.t. trends in technology,
market and players
H1 2020

 

[TECH]

Good morning,

18 business days left in the month.....looking forward to more positive news, for example, an IP license/s announced to coincide with
the release of AKD II....now that would be exciting, don't hold your breath, but that would be a great silencer to muzzle the no-believers.

Not an easy period that we are ALL going through at present, we are ALL being tested, including the staff, I'm sure that they ALL want to
see real results on the board as well.

Tech (NZ)

 

[Foxdog]

I hope qualcomm are buying akida from ARM while they are one of the top clients. View attachment 43960

View attachment 43961

What is going on here, I thought AKIDA was the solution for voice features (at the very least). Qualcomm provide their own IP solutions so I see them as a direct competitor for BRN, although they have cloud based solutions. Perhaps AKIDA could take over when connection is lost with the cloud but I doubt they would be incorporating our IP into their products.

This IAA has given us nothing to be confident about. It appears as though AKIDA is just a novelty plaything for Merc and they are not ready to commit.to our tech. Even when talking about the EQXX nothing has been mentioned - why not?

We are being treated like fools here, how long does our company expect to keep developments, or lack thereof, from us while it appears no substantial progress is being made.

Gen2 will not excite the market because there will be no follow-up news on engagements or deals. If they exist they'll be hidden under NDA's - how convenient.

 

[Esq.111]

Good Morning Chippers ,

Article on Qualcom, Automotive with a dash of background history.

Qualcomm focuses on AI and auto as Nvidia takes over as world’s biggest fabless chip company

Qualcomm pioneered cellular technology, with chips in nearly every smartphone today. Now it's shifting focus to autos and AI as Apple works on its own modems.

www.cnbc.com

Regards,
Esq.

 

[Pmel]

What is going on here, I thought AKIDA was the solution for voice features (at the very least). Qualcomm provide their own IP solutions so I see them as a direct competitor for BRN, although they have cloud based solutions. Perhaps AKIDA could take over when connection is lost with the cloud but I doubt they would be incorporating our IP into their products.

This IAA has given us nothing to be confident about. It appears as though AKIDA is just a novelty plaything for Merc and they are not ready to commit.to our tech. Even when talking about the EQXX nothing has been mentioned - why not?

We are being treated like fools here, how long does our company expect to keep developments, or lack thereof, from us while it appears no substantial progress is being made.

Gen2 will not excite the market because there will be no follow-up news on engagements or deals. If they exist they'll be hidden under NDA's - how convenient.

Spot on mate. Dont know what to say.