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[Fact Finder]

@ 9:15 she asks him about the use of neuromorphic chips in regards to event based vision systems. He states that he think SNN are a good fit, but then after that he said something strange considering our previous conversation with Prophesee on our podcast where they basically said that Brainchip is the key to their success (paraphrased)

He said: “but I’m not sure if the optimal processing architecture has been identified yet” Very strange thing to say when Luca Verre spoke so highly of Brainchip and Akida and the recent partnership etc. am I reading too much into this?

I would say yes to your question you are reading too much into this. Simple logic based on known facts.

AKIDA is the only commercial SNN available as IP. AKIDA IP is so advanced it is science fiction. So if for example AKIDA was producing 96% accuracy with Prophesee's event based vision sensor it is a long way ahead of anything out there and yet is 4% short of 100% accuracy. This missing 4% allows for a statement regarding whether they have found the optimal solution without telling an untruth.

The other thing however is that if AKIDA is producing 96% today just like it was first producing 94% with NaNose this level of accuracy will increase over time. In Nanose it increased to on various reports 96% to 98% accuracy which was over a year ago now so who knows what has been achieved since then. So with incremental learning and fine tuning 96% today could be 98% tomorrow or 100%. At 100% there would be no room to suggest it was not optimal.

On the speculative side of the equation do not forget that both Prophesee and AKIDA are working with NASA and DARPA and some pretty secret research is being undertaken across these two bodies with respect to hypersonic missile tracking. If this old technophobe can work out that event based vision and AKIDA provide the avenue for finding and tracking hypersonic missiles highly intelligent techies working for foreign governments would have worked it out and so there would be a lot of pressure on both companies to be circumspect about what they say at this stage.

My opinion only DYOR
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AKIDA BALLISTA

 

[Diogenese]

Thanks for sharing Bennysmadness,

The video shows said Renesas is using their DPR-AI ACCELERATORS.
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However, here is my non engineer background thinking out loud.
As we know from the Brainchip & Arm Podcast.
Arm is using Akida neuromorphic architecture for very specific task.
And we know Renesas only licensed two nodes of Akida.
So could it be, Renesas had integrated Akida into Renesas DPR-AI ACCELERATORS and as it not the full Akida architecture, there for, Renesas can advertise its as their in house AI accelerators.

Learning
PS, if I get emoji from our tech members, then I know I am wrong in my thought.

Hi Learning,

Renesas have been developing their DRP-AI for more than 10 years and they are not about to throw away all that R&D for an upstart. I'm guessing their DRP-AI is too complex and inflexible for the lower end of the market, so Akida lite fills the gap.

 

[Learning]

Hi Learning,

Renesas have been developing their DRP-AI for more than 10 years and they are not about to throw away all that R&D for an upstart. I'm guessing their DRP-AI is too complex and inflexible for the lower end of the market, so Akida lite fills the gap.

Thanks Dio,

My apologies that my previous post was not clear.

What I am trying to say, was Renesas would use 90% of their in-house DPR-AI and add 10% of Akida to it processing. So in hindsight, it's still Renesas's DPR-AI, just with a little bits of Akida.

Maybe???

Learning

 

[Mt09]

Thanks Dio,

My apologies that my previous post was not clear.

What I am trying to say, was Renesas would use 90% of their in-house DPR-AI and add 10% of Akida to it processing. So in hindsight, it's still Renesas's DPR-AI, just with a little bits of Akida.

Maybe???

Learning

They’ll use either Drpai or the 2 nodes of Akida they’ve licensed depending on application.

 

[Diogenese]

Thanks Dio,

My apologies that my previous post was not clear.

What I am trying to say, was Renesas would use 90% of their in-house DPR-AI and add 10% of Akida to it processing. So in hindsight, it's still Renesas's DPR-AI, just with a little bits of Akida.

Maybe???

Learning

Their actual comment was to the effect that they would use their DRP-AI for the complex stuff and "at the very low end" they would use Akida, for which they had the necessary licence.

 

[robsmark]

So you go and have a beer with a top line horse trainer, 3 drinks in your asking him about things in his stable ,which horses to back, , A meeting with Tony and what your talking about the Weather

Sorry David, as hard as I tried I just couldn’t work out what you were saying/implying?

 

[Learning]

Their actual comment was to the effect that they would use their DRP-AI for the complex stuff and "at the very low end" they would use Akida, for which they had the necessary licence.

They’ll use either Drpai or the 2 nodes of Akida they’ve licensed depending on application.

Thanks Mt & Dio.

I will stop imagine things.

Learning

 

[wilzy123]

Up down up down , means bugger all

 

[Vojnovic]

Sorry David, as hard as I tried I just couldn’t work out what you were saying/implying?

I too talked with Tony about the weather. I asked if the skies are clear, he said they are more than clear - they are sunny, sprinkled with sprites and framed with a glorious rainbow.
Talking with Tony about the weather was the best part of the night.

 

[Fact Finder]

I too talked with Tony about the weather. I asked if the skies are clear, he said they are more than clear - they are sunny, sprinkled with sprites and framed with a glorious rainbow.
Talking with Tony about the weather was the best part of the night.

Funny you should say that years ago went to a wedding and a couple on our table were from Perth and all they could talk about all night was the weather in Perth. Must be a WA thing.

 

[Vojnovic]

Funny you should say that years ago went to a wedding and a couple on our table were from Perth and all they could talk about all night was the weather in Perth. Must be a WA thing.

Maybe the WA residents mastered the art of shrouding sensitive information in weather metaphors. :-D
Ironic if you consider that the weather here hardly changes...

 

[Frank Zappa]

Funny you should say that years ago went to a wedding and a couple on our table were from Perth and all they could talk about all night was the weather in Perth. Must be a WA thing.

FF , When you are next conversing with Tony , please ask him his thoughts on wether he thinks the share price will be $5.00 or wether it will be $10.00 any time next year . Don’t be sheepish in getting an answer out of him .

 

[TheFunkMachine]

I would say yes to your question you are reading too much into this. Simple logic based on known facts.

AKIDA is the only commercial SNN available as IP. AKIDA IP is so advanced it is science fiction. So if for example AKIDA was producing 96% accuracy with Prophesee's event based vision sensor it is a long way ahead of anything out there and yet is 4% short of 100% accuracy. This missing 4% allows for a statement regarding whether they have found the optimal solution without telling an untruth.

The other thing however is that if AKIDA is producing 96% today just like it was first producing 94% with NaNose this level of accuracy will increase over time. In Nanose it increased to on various reports 96% to 98% accuracy which was over a year ago now so who knows what has been achieved since then. So with incremental learning and fine tuning 96% today could be 98% tomorrow or 100%. At 100% there would be no room to suggest it was not optimal.

On the speculative side of the equation do not forget that both Prophesee and AKIDA are working with NASA and DARPA and some pretty secret research is being undertaken across these two bodies with respect to hypersonic missile tracking. If this old technophobe can work out that event based vision and AKIDA provide the avenue for finding and tracking hypersonic missiles highly intelligent techies working for foreign governments would have worked it out and so there would be a lot of pressure on both companies to be circumspect about what they say at this stage.

My opinion only DYOR
FF

AKIDA BALLISTA

I don’t think that is a fair comment actually. If new information comes to light after the last know fact it has reason for investigation. As a retired lawyer surely this is not an unfamiliar concept.

I want Brainchip to succeed as much as anyone. I have mostly all investment riding on it and it’s a risk I’m willing to take based on my research and risk profile between me and my wife.

So when I heard him say that he doesn’t think the right processing architecture is available yet I found it as new information I was previously unaware of and worthy of a question being raised. Does that mean I am now fairfull and have changed my opinion on Brainchip, not at all. But as far as I’m concerned only one of the statements can be true, and they are quite opposite in nature. So is Akida the golden key to unlock the future of Prophesee or is it a processing architecture that doesn’t meet its expectations?

 

[Fact Finder]

I don’t think that is a fair comment actually. If new information comes to light after the last know fact it has reason for investigation. As a retired lawyer surely this is not an unfamiliar concept.

I want Brainchip to succeed as much as anyone. I have mostly all investment riding on it and it’s a risk I’m willing to take based on my research and risk profile between me and my wife.

So when I heard him say that he doesn’t think the right processing architecture is available yet I found it as new information I was previously unaware of and worthy of a question being raised. Does that mean I am now fairfull and have changed my opinion on Brainchip, not at all. But as far as I’m concerned only one of the statements can be true, and they are quite opposite in nature. So is Akida the golden key to unlock the future of Prophesee or is it a processing architecture that doesn’t meet its expectations?

Sorry for having a contrary view to you. I will try not to post other than in agreement with you in future.

Regards
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[Fullmoonfever]

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Was just having a look at this paper again and found the full original which is attached for anyone to have a look at.

Appears some promise in the project but still work to do to refine.

One thing I did pick up is that with the Cyber-Neuro RT project, which we were also being utilised in from memory, the Authors note they now have access to the INRC (11), presumably to compliment the project research with Akida?

 

[Fact Finder]

Was just having a look at this paper again and found the full original which is attached for anyone to have a look at.

Appears some promise in the project but still work to do to refine.

One thing I did pick up is that with the Cyber-Neuro RT project, which we were also being utilised in from memory, the Authors note they now have access to the INRC (11), presumably to compliment the project research with Akida?

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@Fullmoonfever

This is a terrific find and having read the paper the following table makes clear the AKIDA technology advantage. Traditional Von Neumann deep learning CNN from Nvidia cost $30,000. AKIDA science fiction $50.00 estimated.

Which technology provides an opportunity to have hand held devices proliferate? Seems pretty clear to Blind Freddie.
My opinion only DYOR
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AKIDA BALLISTA

 

[Fullmoonfever]

@Fullmoonfever

This is a terrific find and having read the paper the following table makes clear the AKIDA technology advantage. Traditional Von Neumann deep learning CNN from Nvidia cost $30,000. AKIDA science fiction $50.00 estimated.

Which technology provides an opportunity to have hand held devices proliferate? Seems pretty clear to Blind Freddie.
My opinion only DYOR
FF

AKIDA BALLISTA

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All credit to @Sirod69 who spotted the initial LinkedIn (I think) reference to it and posted several days ago & then @Rise from the ashes managed to get some initial snips.

I just managed to find the full paper to be able to read and post.

 

[Food4 thought]

Maybe the WA residents mastered the art of shrouding sensitive information in weather metaphors. :-D
Ironic if you consider that the weather here hardly changes...

Blue sky mines
Makes it easy to spot a orange

 

[Fact Finder]

All credit to @Sirod69 who spotted the initial LinkedIn (I think) reference to it and posted several days ago & then @Rise from the ashes managed to get some initial snips.

I just managed to find the full paper to be able to read and post.

None-the-less you found and posted the paper. BUT many thanks to @Sirod69 and @Rise from the ashes.

The cost comparison should shake a few to their very core. $50 v $30,000.

It gives substance to what Peter van der Made has been saying for years now and the WANCAs and the old school techies just could not accept.

$50.00 -v- $30,000????????????

Kyrtonite. No, this is a technology nuclear weapon of indeterminate power no wonder the NDAs want to hide their technology advantage until they are in the market.

My opinion only DYOR
FF

AKIDA BALLISTA

 

[DarOv]

I don’t think that is a fair comment actually. If new information comes to light after the last know fact it has reason for investigation. As a retired lawyer surely this is not an unfamiliar concept.

I want Brainchip to succeed as much as anyone. I have mostly all investment riding on it and it’s a risk I’m willing to take based on my research and risk profile between me and my wife.

So when I heard him say that he doesn’t think the right processing architecture is available yet I found it as new information I was previously unaware of and worthy of a question being raised. Does that mean I am now fairfull and have changed my opinion on Brainchip, not at all. But as far as I’m concerned only one of the statements can be true, and they are quite opposite in nature. So is Akida the golden key to unlock the future of Prophesee or is it a processing architecture that doesn’t meet its expectations? But can this company succeed better than Kosmonaut Casino? I'm not sure. I recently found this online casino here - https://betpokies.com/reviews/kosmonaut-casino - I read the review and I liked everything. Have you tried it? I recommend.

It will be clear in the future. For now we can notice that this is something new. And as we know, people like new things.