AVZ Discussion 2022

[Flight996]

My reading is that one party (probably DRC) is yet to formally advise the ICSID that it agrees to suspend arbitration for a month. It will do this at the last minute.

It is likely that AVZ Minerals requested the suspension in order to conclude its behind-the-scenes negotiations with both KoBold and the DRC snakes.

This is a complex three-cornered negotiation, but Felix is in an existential fight. He can't afford to be too cute, or he'll be negotiating with Kabila and M23 next.

Cheers
F

 

[Samus]

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I'm not sure what you mean. This is nothing to do with Kobold per se

So, AVZ proposed to DRC to suspend (as committed to in the joint announcement signed by Kobold and AVZ).
Both parties agreed.
Announced by ICSID that pursuant to the parties agreement to suspend, it's suspended until June 23rd, allegedly to facilitate discussions.

Thats my conservative take on it, but some think it's all done and dusted. Thats fine, show me the money

And @Scoota30 our delisting has been extended further

I just mean kobold released the snippet you've shown here. The avz announcement was more guarded.
Anyway, let's wait and see.

 

[Flight996]

'Pursuant to' means in accordance with

So, both AVZ and the DRC have agreed to suspend arbitration for a month in order to facilitate negotiations.

I hope that someone reminds King Felix-the-corrupt that he is in an existential fight, and Manono is his only ticket out of Dodge. If he and his equally-corrupt snakes try to play hard-ball or rig the negotiations, his next negotiations will be with Kabila and M23 in the presidential dining room. They will be less inclined to negotiate.

Cheers
F

 

[Retrobyte]

In practical terms, I would say AVZ approached DRC and said "we would be comfortable with adjourning proceedings for a little while to give you time to finalise your security deal with the US, and then resolution of the status of the mining lease can be done quickly after that to enable Kobold to fairly compensate AVZ. If you agree that's what the next steps are, we can go to ICSID together and request the hearing be delayed until a date that is after when you expect all this to be complete".

 

[Jongo]

I already told my wife that because the golden boy, Donald Trump, likes big announcements ... when the DRC and Rwanda peace agreement is announced in the Oval Office in front of the world's media, the deal for Kobold and a mining partner (maybe Rio) to buy the Manano rights from AVZ will be announced simultaneously. Then he will add ... nobody does deals in Africa like me, I am the best deal maker for Africa. And the fortunate thing for AVZ ... he is right, and if not then I will be in big trouble at home.

 

[Spikerama]

I already told my wife that because the golden boy, Donald Trump, likes big announcements ... when the DRC and Rwanda peace agreement is announced in the Oval Office in front of the world's media, the deal for Kobold and a mining partner (maybe Rio) to buy the Manano rights from AVZ will be announced simultaneously. Then he will add ... nobody does deals in Africa like me, I am the best deal maker for Africa. And the fortunate thing for AVZ ... he is right, and if not then I will be in big trouble at home.

Your mouth is writing cheques your body can’t cash buddy.

 

[LEFOOL]

Your mouth is writing cheques your body can’t cash buddy.

Hows the new countdown coming along Spike?!

 

[cruiser51]

I already told my wife that because the golden boy, Donald Trump, likes big announcements ... when the DRC and Rwanda peace agreement is announced in the Oval Office in front of the world's media, the deal for Kobold and a mining partner (maybe Rio) to buy the Manano rights from AVZ will be announced simultaneously. Then he will add ... nobody does deals in Africa like me, I am the best deal maker for Africa. And the fortunate thing for AVZ ... he is right, and if not then I will be in big trouble at home.

https://x.com/i/status/1925614185720787119

 

[Randenj]

I read the ICSID announcement like this: the deal is done, including a figure acceptable to everyone bar the shouting (or M23 throwing a spanner in the works). We just need to wait for the announcement.

Why?

First: To have the proceedings suspended to begin again (maybe I've misinterpreted that bit?) on exactly the day after the week everything is supposed to be sorted would take some high level communication / negotiation. You can't just bump an international tribunal hearing to a date of your perfect choosing four weeks out from that date. We've been hearing stories of how it takes years to get a resolution thru ICSID and here we have things moving to perfection within days? For an Aussie minnow? To maintain the perfect scenario of pressure? Yeah, nah. I would not be surprised if someone in the White House has called someone in Paris to make sure the right outcome was achieved.

Two: 88-5 (in a secret ballot). That's a better landslide than anything Albo could engineer (although he managed to 'decapitate' 2 leaders, El Presidente Felix has only managed one). Removal of immunity for Kabila from prosecution. Now he's not protected. Which means his lackeys and problem makers are no longer protected. If he's not already having a long black in Brussels today I'll be surprised. Watch the squealing and retributions start emerging over the coming weeks/months.

Three: getting Rwanda and the DRC to make $$ together. Agreeing to onsell minerals to Rwanda is a BIG thing in that part of the world.

4: Orange boy wants a Nobel Peace Prize. He was ticked off when Obama got one. So he wants one too. To be able to claim he has resolved a 30 year old war that has claimed millions of lives (and includes a genocide within the overall story), well, if Orange boy wasn't involved you'd have assume that it was a shoe-in for the Nobel Peace Prize

And this has all happened this week.

IMO and TLDR: the deal is done including a final figure. We just need to wait four-five weeks to hear the outcome.

 

[Doc]

I read the ICSID announcement like this: the deal is done, including a figure acceptable to everyone bar the shouting (or M23 throwing a spanner in the works). We just need to wait for the announcement.

Why?

First: To have the proceedings suspended to begin again (maybe I've misinterpreted that bit?) on exactly the day after the week everything is supposed to be sorted would take some high level communication / negotiation. You can't just bump an international tribunal hearing to a date of your perfect choosing four weeks out from that date. We've been hearing stories of how it takes years to get a resolution thru ICSID and here we have things moving to perfection within days? For an Aussie minnow? To maintain the perfect scenario of pressure? Yeah, nah. I would not be surprised if someone in the White House has called someone in Paris to make sure the right outcome was achieved.

Two: 88-5. That's a better landslide than anything Albo could engineer (although he managed to 'decapitate' 2 leaders, El Presidente Felix has only managed one). Removal of immunity for Kabila from prosecution. Now he's not protected. Which means his lackeys and problem makers are no longer protected. If he's not already having a long black in Brussels today I'll be surprised. Watch the squealing and retributions start emerging over the coming weeks/months.

Three: getting Rwanda and the DRC to make $$ together. Agreeing to onsell minerals to Rwanda is a BIG thing in that part of the world.

4: Orange boy wants a Nobel Peace Prize. He was ticked off when Obama got one. So he wants one too. To be able to claim he has resolved a 30 year old war that has claimed millions of lives (and includes a genocide within the overall story), well, if Orange boy wasn't involved you'd have assume that it was a shoe-in for the Nobel Peace Prize

And this has all happened this week.

IMO and TLDR: the deal is done including a final figure. We just need to wait four-five weeks to hear the outcome.

If it is done and dusted like you think then surely someone knows something about the price......

 

[Randenj]

If it is done and dusted like you think then surely someone knows something about the price......

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Probably. But we will have to wait. I've been reading the tea leaves like everyone else here and can't wait for it to be over.

It's just that I felt the stress come off this morning when I saw that announcement For the first time in years.

 

[Jongo]

I read the ICSID announcement like this: the deal is done, including a figure acceptable to everyone bar the shouting (or M23 throwing a spanner in the works). We just need to wait for the announcement.

Why?

First: To have the proceedings suspended to begin again (maybe I've misinterpreted that bit?) on exactly the day after the week everything is supposed to be sorted would take some high level communication / negotiation. You can't just bump an international tribunal hearing to a date of your perfect choosing four weeks out from that date. We've been hearing stories of how it takes years to get a resolution thru ICSID and here we have things moving to perfection within days? For an Aussie minnow? To maintain the perfect scenario of pressure? Yeah, nah. I would not be surprised if someone in the White House has called someone in Paris to make sure the right outcome was achieved.

Two: 88-5 (in a secret ballot). That's a better landslide than anything Albo could engineer (although he managed to 'decapitate' 2 leaders, El Presidente Felix has only managed one). Removal of immunity for Kabila from prosecution. Now he's not protected. Which means his lackeys and problem makers are no longer protected. If he's not already having a long black in Brussels today I'll be surprised. Watch the squealing and retributions start emerging over the coming weeks/months.

Three: getting Rwanda and the DRC to make $$ together. Agreeing to onsell minerals to Rwanda is a BIG thing in that part of the world.

4: Orange boy wants a Nobel Peace Prize. He was ticked off when Obama got one. So he wants one too. To be able to claim he has resolved a 30 year old war that has claimed millions of lives (and includes a genocide within the overall story), well, if Orange boy wasn't involved you'd have assume that it was a shoe-in for the Nobel Peace Prize

And this has all happened this week.

IMO and TLDR: the deal is done including a final figure. We just need to wait four-five weeks to hear the outcome.

Exactly my thoughts ... the deal is done, just waiting for the DRC and Rwanda peace deal to be announced before announcing that Kobold and a mining partner (maybe Rio) are buying the Manano rights from AVZ.

 

[Spikerama]

I read the ICSID announcement like this: the deal is done, including a figure acceptable to everyone bar the shouting (or M23 throwing a spanner in the works). We just need to wait for the announcement.

Why?

First: To have the proceedings suspended to begin again (maybe I've misinterpreted that bit?) on exactly the day after the week everything is supposed to be sorted would take some high level communication / negotiation. You can't just bump an international tribunal hearing to a date of your perfect choosing four weeks out from that date. We've been hearing stories of how it takes years to get a resolution thru ICSID and here we have things moving to perfection within days? For an Aussie minnow? To maintain the perfect scenario of pressure? Yeah, nah. I would not be surprised if someone in the White House has called someone in Paris to make sure the right outcome was achieved.

Two: 88-5 (in a secret ballot). That's a better landslide than anything Albo could engineer (although he managed to 'decapitate' 2 leaders, El Presidente Felix has only managed one). Removal of immunity for Kabila from prosecution. Now he's not protected. Which means his lackeys and problem makers are no longer protected. If he's not already having a long black in Brussels today I'll be surprised. Watch the squealing and retributions start emerging over the coming weeks/months.

Three: getting Rwanda and the DRC to make $$ together. Agreeing to onsell minerals to Rwanda is a BIG thing in that part of the world.

4: Orange boy wants a Nobel Peace Prize. He was ticked off when Obama got one. So he wants one too. To be able to claim he has resolved a 30 year old war that has claimed millions of lives (and includes a genocide within the overall story), well, if Orange boy wasn't involved you'd have assume that it was a shoe-in for the Nobel Peace Prize

And this has all happened this week.

IMO and TLDR: the deal is done including a final figure. We just need to wait four-five weeks to hear the outcome.

Don’t know whether you’ve been reading the room but Macron isn’t exactly a huge fan of Orange Boy as you call him and France isn’t that enamoured with the US currently so I doubt that kind of tactic would have played out.

The rest of your post is well reasoned though.

 

[Spikerama]

Hows the new countdown coming along Spike?!

Please stand by while we try to resume normal transmission.

 

[Dijon101]

I'd just like to throw my hat in the ring and offer an opinion on what the latest announcement means.






I still have no fucking clue what is actually going on or what the outcome is going to be .

 

[LEFOOL]

I'd just like to throw my hat in the ring and offer an opinion on what the latest announcement means.






I still have no fucking clue what is actually going on or what the outcome is going to be .

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Absofuckinglutely correct there my French mustard mate!

 

[PhatCatz]

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'Pursuant to' means in accordance with

So, both AVZ and the DRC have agreed to suspend arbitration for a month in order to facilitate negotiations.

I hope that someone reminds King Felix-the-corrupt that he is in an existential fight, and Manono is his only ticket out of Dodge. If he and his equally-corrupt snakes try to play hard-ball or rig the negotiations, his next negotiations will be with Kabila and M23 in the presidential dining room. They will be less inclined to negotiate.

Cheers
F

Could ot be that the DRC has proposed to suspend it and are awaiting AVZ agreement?

 

[cruiser51]

I'd just like to throw my hat in the ring and offer an opinion on what the latest announcement means.






I still have no fucking clue what is actually going on or what the outcome is going to be .

Kabila (supposedly M23 backer), the previous thief who is behind Dathomir, educated and trained in China and living in South Africa, lost yesterday his immunity in the DRC senate.
The same day the boss of South Africa gets a dressing down from the Don and after makes nice piccies with all to see.
The same day we see an announcement that the ICSID proceedings have after consultation with both parties be pushed back by about a month.

Is it all part of the puzzle? Will Kabila be asked to POQ out of South Africa?

Who knows, lots of things happening.

 

[LEFOOL]

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[Xerof]

Could ot be that the DRC has proposed to suspend it and are awaiting AVZ agreement?

Nope nope nope nope nope

Someone posted the fine print a few pages ago on the procedure for suspension.

Both parties have to agree to suspend, both have agreed, and their agreement has been advised to ISCID, who updated the website, "....suspended......pursuant to their agreement"