AVZ Discussion 2022

[Frank]

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[cruiser51]

As i was a FAR investor back in the day, i can categorically say your assessment of WPL & Cocono Phillips is correct and poor ole far who did all the hard yakka of successfully finding oil 12 out 12 drills got completely shafted.

The difference between the senegal oil find and manono regards to FIRB , is WPL is a australian coy first and foremost and the oil find whilst lucrative, is not a smidge of the geopolitical significance as roche dure / CDL .

imo

I have to agree with you that FAR got shafted.

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I think it was an expensive over sight.
I don't know why FAR did not understand the significance of CP holding the SNE tenement in a BV (PTY) holding company, registered in the Netherlands.

I was trading in FAR, got out when I saw the game being played and hold WDS longterm.

 

[BEISHA]

I have to agree with you that FAR got shafted.

Senegal’s Sangomar oil field exceeds 2024 output target​

Senegal's Sangomar oil field surpasses its 2024 target with 16.9 million barrels (average oil price over last 12 months AUD $120), boosted by new FPSO and record exports

I think it was an expensive over sight.
I don't know why FAR did not understand the significance of CP holding the SNE tenement in a BV (PTY) holding company, registered in the Netherlands.

I was trading in FAR, got out when I saw the game being played and hold WDS longterm.

Yeah i traded FAR, made coin and also got out when the shit fight occurred, but most held thinking the legals was on their side........until it wasnt

 

[Frank]

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[BEISHA]

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All this with 30yrs of chinese investment too.....

And yet despite all that.........DRC is one of the poorest countries in the world, relying on World bank and IMF to prop their ailing balance sheet.

Shameful !

 

[Carlos Danger]

I think something that is overlooked a tad in the forthcoming deal is that this is all of this underpinned by granting of the mining license for tenement 13359. I am silly to assume it's for the whole of 13359 as per the legal cases AVZ are currently fronting?

I still think the breakdown of holdings and who will have the controlling interest needs to be communicated by the company if this goes ahead. Some ambiguous language used and multiple responses on breakdown has been posted here. I've had another look and I still don't know clearly.

Also I'm not too well across voting rights of DRC etc but for arguments sake lets say this deal goes ahead and AVZ get screwed over at court or cease legal battles. If DRC having voting rights + existing Chinese interests on the books + CATH deal + what ever the fuck Zijin get out of this (Fuck em they deserve nothing) - is that enough to sway the voting balance of power to the Chinese? I'm actually unsure what INDIRECT interest is. even after a Googs and chatgpt quiz.

This is where my concern has been the last few days. This is kinda what happened at LLL and the games played by the Chinese to aggressively takeover/essentially lowball the project.

This wouldn't be happening without ML being somewhat progressed with the understanding DRC deal with Pei moving forward and processing is done in country imo

GLH's holding in Dathcom will always vote as one block so AVZ will maintain legal control of GLH at 59.4% and therefore control of the Manono project offcially

However I doubt Pei is fronting the cash, building the plants and sorting out the ML without having a large degree of say on how things will be run

But again we will have the fail safe of legal control of GLH to prevent any shenanigans imo

The terms of the new TIA do mean we get 44.5% of the profit rather than 51% of the profit under the old TIA whichever way you look at it

 

[Pokok]

Good to see you here Whiddon, you are completely wasted on that shit hole crapper site thats for sure , hoping to see more of you here and less over there in future....

Mate, you clearly are alot more clued up in the company structures than i am, after all, i am just a simple tradie ( hell, i didnt even know GLH was a entity so fark me )

That being said, this whole restructured deal with Cath comes with alot of conjecture including the arbitration cases yet to be resolved and ultimately, only the AVZ BOD really knows the correct equation going forward

I will attempt to contact the BOSS and seek clarification on this percentage structure, although i would think that is sensitive information so even if he told me, i wouldnt be able to reveal in any case.

Hopefully we get a formal announcement in the not too distant future explaining the mix cause i highly doubt we will need to wait until the next AGM for question time as i get the strong vibe a resolution to this mess is not that far away.

imo

Me also just a simple painter ready to retire

 

[Winenut]

Me also just a simple painter ready to retire

Impressionist? Surrealist? Water Colour? Realist? Expressionist? Landscape? Portrait? Dulux????

Just stirring

 

[DiscoDanNZ]

I think something that is overlooked a tad in the forthcoming deal is that this is all of this underpinned by granting of the mining license for tenement 13359. I am silly to assume it's for the whole of 13359 as per the legal cases AVZ are currently fronting?

I still think the breakdown of holdings and who will have the controlling interest needs to be communicated by the company if this goes ahead. Some ambiguous language used and multiple responses on breakdown has been posted here. I've had another look and I still don't know clearly.

Also I'm not too well across voting rights of DRC etc but for arguments sake lets say this deal goes ahead and AVZ get screwed over at court or cease legal battles. If DRC having voting rights + existing Chinese interests on the books + CATH deal + what ever the fuck Zijin get out of this (Fuck em they deserve nothing) - is that enough to sway the voting balance of power to the Chinese? I'm actually unsure what INDIRECT interest is. even after a Googs and chatgpt quiz.

This is where my concern has been the last few days. This is kinda what happened at LLL and the games played by the Chinese to aggressively takeover/essentially lowball the project.

ML being granted has always been a condition for CATH/Daddy since the original deal was first signed.

Daddy obviously thinks we're in with a chance or he wouldn't waste his time thinking about this new deal IMO

 

[Scoota30]

This wouldn't be happening without ML being somewhat progressed with the understanding DRC deal with Pei moving forward and processing is done in country imo

GLH's holding in Dathcom will always vote as one block so AVZ will maintain legal control of GLH at 59.4% and therefore control of the Manono project offcially

However I doubt Pei is fronting the cash, building the plants and sorting out the ML without having a large degree of say on how things will be run

But again we will have the fail safe of legal control of GLH to prevent any shenanigans imo

The terms of the new TIA do mean we get 44.5% of the profit rather than 51% of the profit under the old TIA whichever way you look at it

And the tradeoff for this is the 49% ownership for us in the lithium hydroxide facility IMO. as you said, legally we still maintain majority control with regards to voting rights/control, but if Pei's total indirect ownership takes him over 50% that gives even more incentive to get this thing on the show.

It's a good way to move forward, split a bit of the pie and save face for most actors. Wonder if CATH approached us after Locke Funding or if we tried approaching them.
Either way, time for some bubbly....?

 

[TheCount]

Where would the rights to the tin sit?
Thx.

 

[whales]

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This wouldn't be happening without ML being somewhat progressed with the understanding DRC deal with Pei moving forward and processing is done in country imo

GLH's holding in Dathcom will always vote as one block so AVZ will maintain legal control of GLH at 59.4% and therefore control of the Manono project offcially

However I doubt Pei is fronting the cash, building the plants and sorting out the ML without having a large degree of say on how things will be run

But again we will have the fail safe of legal control of GLH to prevent any shenanigans imo

The terms of the new TIA do mean we get 44.5% of the profit rather than 51% of the profit under the old TIA whichever way you look at it

Pei also gets 100% offtake.
and will be at an excellent rate.
CATL secures it's lithium supply for the next 50 plus years .
Add a lithium hydroxide plant and CATL will be selling to Ganfeng and other majors .
Definitely a win win all round.
The only uncertainty is will the mining licence be for all of 13359 .
And Zijin are out completely .

 

[Frank]

Where would the rights to the tin sit?
Thx.

 

[Rediah]

So with this “second largest known lithium reserve” can they let us be and move on.


"The significant discoveries could threaten Australian miners in the future should the Chinese ore contain a high enough purity, as it would mean producers could concentrate their supply chains, limiting transport costs and making penetration by Australian suppliers more difficult," said Mr Larter.

Can someone point Mr Nicholas Larter to the road leading to AVZ/Manano?

China discovers massive new deposits of lithium — ABC News

China reportedly now has the second-largest known reserves of lithium in the world, following the discovery of large new deposits.

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[cruiser51]

So with this “second largest known lithium reserve” can they let us be and move on.


"The significant discoveries could threaten Australian miners in the future should the Chinese ore contain a high enough purity, as it would mean producers could concentrate their supply chains, limiting transport costs and making penetration by Australian suppliers more difficult," said Mr Larter.

Can someone point Mr Nicholas Larter to the road leading to AVZ/Manano?

China discovers massive new deposits of lithium — ABC News

China reportedly now has the second-largest known reserves of lithium in the world, following the discovery of large new deposits.

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Rather odd...

Zijin suddenly reports they are starting to mine lithium in Manono in about 12 months.

AVZ reports they struck a revised deal with Cath.

And 3 days after China reports huge lithium deposit discoveries in China.

Well, well, well, as they say.
Good on them, mine that shit and don't steal Manono's lithium.

Hopefully Xi has been able to do a bit of stiff upper lipping.

 

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Maybe the CAT is still in the BAG
This is a deal with conditions...!!!!!
Pre-Funding Agreement means an agreement substantially in the form of Schedule 1 (Form of Pre-Funding Agreement) executed by the Beneficiary Member State and ESM to authorise ESM to enter into Pre- Funding Operations: (i) prior to the receipt by ESM of a Request for Funds; or (ii) following receipt by ESM of a Request for Funds but prior to the satisfaction of all the conditions to disbursement and the issuance by ESM of an Acceptance Notice.

 

[Xerof]

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Pei also gets 100% offtake.
and will be at an excellent rate.
CATL secures it's lithium supply for the next 50 plus years .
Add a lithium hydroxide plant and CATL will be selling to Ganfeng and other majors .
Definitely a win win all round.
The only uncertainty is will the mining licence be for all of 13359 .
And Zijin are out completely .

We currently have binding off-takes for 80%, with terms already agreed. As well as Yibin off-take (roughly 30% I think) being assigned over to him, Pei gets 100% of the uncommitted balance until milestones reached

 

[Carlos Danger]

However, in the highly unlikely even, when Green Lithium only holds 60% of 13359, then CATH will be holding a little bit more than 50% of Green Lithium

X=30.5%/60%

In that case, AVZ lost control

We own 75%
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Groundhogs


https://thestockexchange.com.au/threads/avz-discussion-2022.78/page-2718#post-446605

Let's just wait and see what eventuates.

CATH % will (surely) be based on the current situation which is 75%, so the 40.6% in GLH won't change. There is no escalation or de-escalation clause mentioned. AVZ therefore does NOT lose control in the highly unlikely situation where DATHOMIR is given 15% back. And we are still going for the ROFR 15% too

So whether AVI/AVZ/GLH ends up with 60,75 or 90% of DATHCOM, CATH still only ever has INDIRECT interest in 30.5%, represented by 40.6% of GLH

p.s. maybe settlement of this shitshow is far more progressed than is being published

Hi Fellas, I am Whiddon3 over on the chopper - these are my views I posted over there. Obviously we all only know what was in the announcement but my take is as follows.

Happy New Year SH's. Great way to kick off 2025 with some positive developments..

AVZ has proven that as the lead in the project they were not able to progress forward, this was due to all the detractors and all the roadblocks which popped up at every single turn. We were never going to move this forward as the lead, China was always going to obtain the control, no matter how long it took. The reason this has stalled is because until now China had not gained the control.

This deal gives Pei control of the project. Through this transaction he is getting 30.5% of the project (of which we owned 60% undisputed). So effectively AVZ has sold more than 50% of their share in the project. The 15% with Cong/Dathomir still needs to be resolved, plus the 15% first right of refusal is still arguably on the table somewhere.

The .5% is very interesting and where the clues lie as to how this ends up...

On completion of the TIA (and prior to the resolution of Dathomir + First right of refusal) AVZ will own 29.5% of the project. Pei will own 30.5%

Pei is now going to negotiate the ML and resolve the outstanding issues. So what will Pei get in addition to his 30.5%? Well he clearly wants control, and probably only has a mandate to negotiate on the basis that he does has the control over the project. So will he go after our 15% from Dathomir? Nigel must stay strong on this. That is ours, AVZ did a capital raise in Australia for that, we paid the transaction fees in accordance with the law and the deal terms. The we had the money returned, only to then be stolen from our farking bank account. That 15% is OURS, don't bend the knee on that Nigel.

If Pei needs control, give him the first right of refusal on the other 15%.

Then we have 44.5%, Pei has 45% and the DRC 10%.

I do believe the deal at present is good for us. It de-risks us big time, sure we lose some equity, but let's face it, we had nothing, we were on the canvas. The count was at 9.... Locke Funding was brutal, and meant court cases for years. Nightmare... At least here we have optionality. We can fund our share of development with with the $259m, or we can borrow from Pei at 9.00% and repay via profits, or we can raise money and fund via alternative means.

The key here is that the project gets fast tracked by Pei. Let's face it, we would take years and years to move it along. No ASX company can honestly be listed on the ASX and run a project in DRC. Too may anti corruption and bribery rules need to be broken just to operate in country.

In my opinion, even if Pei resolves the Dathomir issue, Nigel should NOT give up that 15%. A final standing of 29.5% would be a pretty big pummeling for the board. Let's hope we can get the extra 15% or at least 10% of that 15%, so we end up at 39.5% - 44.5%. Let's then sit back and let China do all the work and collect some divies in a few years.

Don't be mistaken people, we don't have control of the project anymore, but given the way this has played out to date I don't think that that is a bad thing. Let's get this thing going...

Good to see you here Whiddon, you are completely wasted on that shit hole crapper site thats for sure , hoping to see more of you here and less over there in future....

Mate, you clearly are alot more clued up in the company structures than i am, after all, i am just a simple tradie ( hell, i didnt even know GLH was a entity so fark me )

That being said, this whole restructured deal with Cath comes with alot of conjecture including the arbitration cases yet to be resolved and ultimately, only the AVZ BOD really knows the correct equation going forward

I will attempt to contact the BOSS and seek clarification on this percentage structure, although i would think that is sensitive information so even if he told me, i wouldnt be able to reveal in any case.

Hopefully we get a formal announcement in the not too distant future explaining the mix cause i highly doubt we will need to wait until the next AGM for question time as i get the strong vibe a resolution to this mess is not that far away.

imo

Worth adding to this discussion the terms from the original TIA about ownership

The 'restructured' TIA mentions no change to these terms so we can only assume they continue

Couldn't be any clearer that the deal is based on AVZ owning 75% of Manono

 

[Xerof]

Where would the rights to the tin sit?
Thx.

We have an off-take agreement for 100% of the Tin. Must say I thought at the time it was a bit sad looking but at least it was dealt with.

Don't forget the Tin

 

[Xerof]

@Carlos Danger

But the new deal pushes participation up the food chain to indirect, so I'm struggling to work out how a shift in the final % at the DATHCOM level works out. There's no detail on how any adjustment takes place