AVZ Discussion 2022

[Mr Inappropriate]

Who ever refurbishes the power station have to get a return on their investment, if it’s not AVZ then who are they going to sell the power to…? the population of Manono, I think not as they are to poor so the only ones that will benefit from the power station are the ones that will own the mine.

The population in this area is minimal and power required for other mines in area I assume would not be sufficient to justify the refurbishment.

All about economics.

#Fuckzijin have not suddenly turned into a power generation company. Nor are they doing it (if indeed they are…) for altruistic purposes.

The singular purpose is to gain leverage over the Manono prospect, including us. The want to use that leverage to a) secure % over Manono, and failing that b) fuck us up. It’s that simple.

 

[Bonsoir]

#Fuckzijin have not suddenly turned into a power generation company. Nor are they doing it (if indeed they are…) for altruistic purposes.

The singular purpose is to gain leverage over the Manono prospect, including us. The want to use that leverage to a) secure % over Manono, and failing that b) fuck us up. It’s that simple.

Hopefully the government will see it for what it is if that is the case and strip them of the project if they have it in the first place.

 

[Azzler]

If there is a potential conflict with Zijin, the powerplant which we need, and AVZ, I'm massively confident that our BoD are all over it, are well aware and have made steps to overcome any possible future sabotage.
If there's a problem in the first place that is.

BoD would be all over it.
Just because we don't know the details, doesn't mean we need to worry about it.
There's a fuck ton of things we don't know the details about that could ruin operations if they weren't sorted in our favor.

 

[Winenut]

You’re all spelling #FuckZijin wrong…

I thought I was the spelling and grammar police...

#FuckZijin

 

[Carlos Danger]

BoD would be all over it.
Just because we don't know the details, doesn't mean we need to worry about it.
There's a fuck ton of things we don't know the details about that could ruin operations if they weren't sorted in our favor.

Spurious until you end up in a 15 month and counting suspension

 

[rocco]

They are corrupt to the core and will never give up. Even if they end up 0% of Manono they will forever attempt to fuck up our progress through:

• Power plant - delays, “unexpected” outages, outrageous power costs
• Administrative - helping local officials to “find“ problems with the hundreds of things we’ll need to get done to get a mine and plant operational, be it infrastructure, health and safety, environmental, whatever
• Concocting stories to set the locals against us (remember the attacks on our vehicles and equipment about a year back?)
• Direct and indirect physical disruption to plant and equipment
• Disruption near access points and transport facilities to stop or slow equipment and personnel in, or getting product out.

It’s in their DNA - they will not stop. Ever.

#FuckZijin

#FuckZijin

 

[Retrobyte]

The population in this area (Manono) is minimal

300,000 - that's as many as Hobart.

 

[Bonsoir]

300,000 - that's as many as Hobart.

And how many could afford power, 10% ? At least AVZ would be offering to the people of Manono the best deal imo if in control of power station.

The power to the mine with the bonus of supplying townships. Fuck sounds like a win win to me.

 

[Azzler]

Compared to Manono today, the Manono of tomorrow will have SO much money pumped into the town from wages, and services needed/provided it will absolutely transform the place.
Skilled people will be moving to the town, training facillities needed, and with money comes growth, buildings, infrastructure improvements.
With money comes demand for services, those services are additional jobs created.
It's a fabulous story for this very poor town.
Does anyone know if there's any industry at all in Manono? Farms I'm guessing.

 

[Dijon101]

Thanks to @MoneyBags1348 and his thread on the Power plant.

"Since September 2022, the General Management of Cominière SA, a member of which is supposed to sit on the Technical Committee for Monitoring the works of the rehabilitation project for the Mpiana-Mwanga power stations, has launched a call for tenders claiming that the said power stations are abandoned. During a meeting organized by the communities of Manono on Saturday November 12, 2022 on Dathcom Mining SA, the delegate of Cominière SA publicly declared that they have “selected the Chinese group Zijin for the rehabilitation of the hydroelectric power stations of Mpiana Mwanga within three years and unconditionally”, according to information in our possession received from a participant in the said meeting. While the official documents in our possession (including the ministerial decree of which we publish a copy in this press release) prove the contrary.

The signatory organizations find in this one more unfortunate maneuver to block the start of the mining project of Dathcom Mining SA"

 

[Sammy_da_Smile]

Anyone want to purchase the project intelligence report haha

AVZ – Mpiana-Mwanga Hydroelectric Plant Rehabilitation 54 MW – Katanga

www.globaldata.com

 

[Bin59]

The BNC site was updated 26 June 23 which also shows AVZ as still being involved in the project.

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[Retrobyte]

Does anyone know if there's any industry at all in Manono? Farms I'm guessing.

Artisanal mining

Lithium Bonanza: China Battles West for Raw Material of the Future

The Democratic Republic of the Congo is home to perhaps the largest lithium deposit in the world. China is eagerly trying to get its hands on the valuable resource, but the concession is controlled by an Australian company. Work-hungry locals are hoping the conflict will soon be resolved.

www.spiegel.de

 

[Azzler]

Artisanal mining

Lithium Bonanza: China Battles West for Raw Material of the Future

The Democratic Republic of the Congo is home to perhaps the largest lithium deposit in the world. China is eagerly trying to get its hands on the valuable resource, but the concession is controlled by an Australian company. Work-hungry locals are hoping the conflict will soon be resolved.

www.spiegel.de

For tin?
I wonder who's buying their bags of dirt.

 

[Azzler]

Artisanal mining

Lithium Bonanza: China Battles West for Raw Material of the Future

The Democratic Republic of the Congo is home to perhaps the largest lithium deposit in the world. China is eagerly trying to get its hands on the valuable resource, but the concession is controlled by an Australian company. Work-hungry locals are hoping the conflict will soon be resolved.

www.spiegel.de

Ah that was the very article I was referring to a couple posts back. It's quite comprehensive and well put together.

I'm sure AVZ would well afford to pay these artisinal miners a few dolars a day just to take out the garbage, sweep the steps, ect. Just to clear them out of the area without upsetting the people.
Just heartbreaking that's the best these people can get for diggign up dirt and standing in water for 10 hours a day... with their 6 children in tow!

 

[Hodlandwin69]

"Everything is on hold"

 

[Mr Inappropriate]

Ah that was the very article I was referring to a couple posts back. It's quite comprehensive and well put together.

I'm sure AVZ would well afford to pay these artisinal miners a few dolars a day just to take out the garbage, sweep the steps, ect. Just to clear them out of the area without upsetting the people.
Just heartbreaking that's the best these people can get for diggign up dirt and standing in water for 10 hours a day... with their 6 children in tow!

Thanks for that article - it was pretty good except that it downplayed the naked greed and corruption form our Chinese mates, including #FuckZijin.

Re the artisanal miners - i have a vague recollection of something in the mining code that preserved artisanal mining rights within other leases. It sounded like a way of ensuring no loss of employment for those involved (which is quite reasonable), but who knows how that could work in practice in the precinct of a large-scale mine. Nothing to worry about unless #Fuckzijin bring an army of their chinese brethren into manono and start claiming artisanal mining rights. With excavators…

Fuck, i might have just given them an idea - I should just shut up, hey?

 

[Samus]

 

[Juba1845]

Hope that's not a recent photo.

 

[Doc]

Hope that's not a recent photo.

Hope it is. El Presidento had him dragged in to tell him in no uncertain terms that all road blocks for Manono and Dathcom are to cease and to get the fuck on with it
At least in my head that’s what would of been said