AVZ Discussion 2022

[cruiser51]

I agree Dergeist is abstruse, but have you asked for clarification? He seems to be very approachable.

On the other hand, I agree he has an agenda. That agenda is is exactly what is fomenting now: disclosure of what’s material. AVZ has a history of getting into trouble with the ASX. The ASX appears hostile and AVZ have every right to be afraid of the ASX including any vested nefarious interests at work within ASX discretionary targets.

In reference to doxxing, as I’ve stated on my own behalf, doxxing is pointless and endangers the very thing that you’re trying to protect: the company. If DerGeist is a sleuth what else does he know? Think about it.

He has been around long enough to know everyone’s identity and I haven’t seen him once dox a member anywhere. Looks to be a thorough-going decent chap to me.

So he knows everyone's identity???

Puleeese stop playing with your dick ffs.

 

[Xerof]

Waiting to see what the Company has to say, then will reset my thinking based on that.

Thanks for the inputs from various corners today. Cause for thought indeed from a lot of angles

 

[wombat74]

All the best for tomorrow one and all . I'm giving Nige and crew the benefit of any doubt and my full support until feed back from the Road Show . Come Tuesday I may turn into a c--t but I hope not . It's all in your hands Nige .

 

[ChrisU]

Unfortunately my eyes just glazed over trying to read more of this.

The French turn everything into a novella.

 

[ChrisU]

Look folks, most here know I’m sincere,
I’m a large holder and I want AVZ to succeed but I’m not scared of fronting them or being scathing if I think it is warranted.

I’ve put this post in bold because it probably means more to me than anything else I’ve posted on TSE.

I personally believe Der Geist and R2D2 (and his new alias Chris U) have an agenda to try and steer shareholders into accusing AVZ of acting illegally in regards to their market sensitive disclosures.

I would not be surprised if he (or they, which ever is the case) turns up to a Roadshow or the AGM with this in mind and is hoping they will have backing from other shareholders to push their agenda.

The reason for this is bullshit for us, as frustrated and angry as we may be, it would totally oppose our purpose of moving forward and our chances of getting answers on so many levels.

A simple person may think it’s an attempt to cause a drop in SP coming out of suspension creating a buy opportunity but that’s a weak reason.

Der Geist has admitted he has colluded with Simon Cong, and a few hours ago he limited access to his account here so you cannot access his posts through his account.

This is what he has previously posted:

“When I started getting info from Cong, I could tell there were issues with their documents straight away, I even offered to advise him on what the issues are”

“He accepted but I never got around to it. The paper trail was getting to interesting. Moreover the court judgment that AVZ didn’t attend”

He also communicated with the Australian Financial Review’s Tom (who we know colluded with Boatman) saying

“When AFR-Tom climbed on with his hit piece, it was clear to me, that I had to separate my views from the real troll camp”

“When I contacted Tom to offer him a better perspective, he was such an arrogant twat, that I resolved to distance my questions from such idiocy”

I’ve tried to help fellow shareholders here by offering information as well as some humour along the way, but there comes a point where you all have to make an informed judgment and not keep sitting on the fence.

Goodnight and good luck all, in the end we have to stick together and fight for this company, especially from the corruption we are up against

I simply said, if I see red, I reserve my rights.
And I can see shareholders are increasingly questioning continuous disclosure obligations. It is everyone’s right to discern how they protected by the law of the land.

It may be AVZ is exempt from certain disclosure rules. I haven’t seen anyone provide convincing evidence they would be exempt. The facts are ASX is extremely serious about this. And AVZ know too darn well about that.

If a fat, well invested shareholder like yourself feels threatened by truth seeking whoever it favours then this shows we are not all necessarily on the same page. Everyone here may not share the same consensus as those who would like some here to ignore their legal rights in preference for pineapples.

 

[DiscoDanNZ]

♪ AVZ'S SUSPENSION HAD US FEELING
MIGHTY BLUE ♪ ♪ IT'S A SHAME
WHAT COURRUPTION CAN DO ♪

 

[ChrisU]

I know it’s bad and certainly frustrating @Fletch77 but there’s an effort going on by Der Geist - ChrisU (R2D2) to steer the conversation towards attacking AVZ in a way that would not only be detrimental to AVZ, but also to shareholders.

That agenda along with pure trolling for the purpose of disrupting questions and conversations already underway

I don’t see anything different from what I’ve discussed than to others. The discussion, random as it is on continuous disclosure is self generating and gathering it’s own momentum.

Shareholders have a right to discuss continuous disclosure rules and many are doing that. If anything it would appear you have an agenda, as a company shill looking for scapegoats?

And I think you’re creating a boogeyman in the process.

 

[BEISHA]

Look folks, most here know I’m sincere,
I’m a large holder and I want AVZ to succeed but I’m not scared of fronting them or being scathing if I think it is warranted.

I’ve put this post in bold because it probably means more to me than anything else I’ve posted on TSE.

I personally believe Der Geist and R2D2 (and his new alias Chris U) have an agenda to try and steer shareholders into accusing AVZ of acting illegally in regards to their market sensitive disclosures.

I would not be surprised if he (or they, which ever is the case) turns up to a Roadshow or the AGM with this in mind and is hoping they will have backing from other shareholders to push their agenda.

The reason for this is bullshit for us, as frustrated and angry as we may be, it would totally oppose our purpose of moving forward and our chances of getting answers on so many levels.

A simple person may think it’s an attempt to cause a drop in SP coming out of suspension creating a buy opportunity but that’s a weak reason.

Der Geist has admitted he has colluded with Simon Cong, and a few hours ago he limited access to his account here so you cannot access his posts through his account.

This is what he has previously posted:

“When I started getting info from Cong, I could tell there were issues with their documents straight away, I even offered to advise him on what the issues are”

“He accepted but I never got around to it. The paper trail was getting to interesting. Moreover the court judgment that AVZ didn’t attend”

He also communicated with the Australian Financial Review’s Tom (who we know colluded with Boatman) saying

“When AFR-Tom climbed on with his hit piece, it was clear to me, that I had to separate my views from the real troll camp”

“When I contacted Tom to offer him a better perspective, he was such an arrogant twat, that I resolved to distance my questions from such idiocy”

I’ve tried to help fellow shareholders here by offering information as well as some humour along the way, but there comes a point where you all have to make an informed judgment and not keep sitting on the fence.

Goi did with you anodnight and good luck all, in the end we have to stick together and fight for this company, especially from the corruption we are up against

Hi ya mate

Clearly Dergeist & Chris u / R2D2 are getting under your skin like many others, I personally am not sitting on the fence , just giving everyone the benefit of the doubt, a bit like i did with you until the true Money came out and now i think you are a champion poster and appreciate all your contributions.

I will say this tho, the above mentioned posters havnt directly attacked other posters like some have done to them, thats very much like HC and its a ugly look IMO

You have 2 choices here, either IGNORE or REPORT.

I aint the thread police, i am just another regular poster like everyone else, but IMO, the majority rules in this forum and if the general consensus amongst everyone is that the above mentioned posters are derailing the threads and creating disharmony, deterring other quality posters from contributing etc, then i guess Genie will have to come out of the bottle...

I for one think that most of the posters here have the maturity / intellect to rise above and just concentrate on the matter at hand, which is to get some much needed clarity from the BOD AVZ and a pathway moving forward.

Tomorrow , with the Perth Roadshow , hopefully thats the starting point .


Take care money, hope your partner is doing ok too.

cheers

 

[ChrisU]

Surely its no coincidence that Der Geist & ChrisU (R2D2) are more active when Ann is "imminent" (sorry) and RS starts in 25 Hrs. I agree with prev poster - "try to decipher good from bad info in Der Geist's posts", even though MB is probs right about him. ChrisU is just a waste of time. Go AVZ !!!

I can’t speak for dergeist but, for me it’s the weekend.

 

[ChrisU]

will say this tho, the above mentioned posters havnt directly attacked other posters like some have done to them, thats very much like HC and its a ugly look IMO

Thank you.

My opinion is, some here want to dominate the frame of reference.

 

[JAG]

Evening all.

 

[ChrisU]

My responses to the questions posed by the Artist Formerly Known As R2D2:


How has Tshisekedi been cleaning up the “place up”?

- DGAF as long as any corruption affecting AVZ is dealt with.

Why couldn’t Tshisekedi get ML awarded before Africa business forum? Isn’t that what AVZ was expecting? Instead he have a wry smile to Serge Ngandu’s prompt. Is he who we think he is?

Why could Tshisedeki not stop the Portfolio Ministry and Cominiere from transacting, because there was a State asset sale freeze?

- Refer answer 1

That is not an answer but a deflection. Such an important transaction as selling 15% doesn’t go unnoticed from the top.

Why has AVZ not recognized the alleged state asset freeze?

- Probably because if no-one else is, then it isn't a freeze and we've got a mine to get going.

How do you know no one else is? I have seen much mention of state asset freeze as a main reason for Cominiere and Portfolio ministry’s illegal conduct. For quite some time we were all led to believe fhere was a state asset freeze. If that is not respected, I can’t see how AVZ rights will be protected

Why did the Congolese state make a joint venture easily with AJN but not AVZ?

- I don't care happens with other companies. Just AVZ.

It’s about Congolese State moving on collaboration and what makes them tick, and AVZ is not on a little island. The mining minister also signed off. Basically AJN was a present a massive brown paper bag to interfere with AVZ’s rights? Cong and Eckhof has organised this.

Is Klaus Eckhof an opponent of AVZ in Manono?

- Don't care as long as we get a mine sooner rather than later.

I think it matters because we need to know who our enemies are.

If not, why is he assisting Simon Cong with AJN and TTX?

- Don't care, but probably 'cause he is remunerated. I'd rather focus on how AVZ get to mining.

Yes so am I, that’s why I’m asking.

Is CATL involved still with Cong and Tantalex? I refer to the equity injection in 2018 by CATL chairman Zheng Yuqun.

- Not really relevant. Companies can deal with multiple companies you know.

Of course it’s relevant, they have indirect interests in AVZ and direct interest in CATH.

Did Klaus Eckhof engage in insider trading between June 04 to June 07 2018?

- And how does knowing that help us now?

You’d be surprised.

Do you still enjoy a close association with Mr Eckhof?

- Still DGAF, as long as we get mining he can be best friends with Satan for all I care.

Do you still enjoy a close association with Mr Eckhof?

So let's not waste time with 9 questions that are downramping history lessons and will chew up time un-necessarily. None of the above questions will result in information re: current state of affairs and what happens next re: ML and mining.

Keep focused on:

1. - What is the current state of play?

What does that ‘state of play’ mean? Isn’t that what in part I’ve asked above ?

1. Finding out how we get to mining from here, and when the ML is coming.

“In a few weeks”

1. - What timeframes we are talking about?

Check last timelines for a sliding scale.

1. - How realistic those timeframes are

Lol

1. - Getting some decent information from the BOD from now on, rather than the unsatisfactory, obtuse and brief ASX announcements we currently get. This leads to wild speculation and uninformed pissed off investors.

1. - Letting them know the BOD performance so far re: disclosure and updating shareholders is not satisfactory, and we are very unhappy about it. Forget the ASX, I'm talking about disclosure to us.

1. - Any reference to "imminent" will result in immediate and repeated pineappling.

 

[Der Geist]

@Der Geist has now limited access to his profile

He really has turned this into the crapper

I’m being monitored.

Actually I noted others here had done same so I thought it was a good idea to share the love back.
Thanks for confirming it works.

 

[Frank]

Look folks, most here know I’m sincere,
I’m a large holder and I want AVZ to succeed but I’m not scared of fronting them or being scathing if I think it is warranted.

I’ve put this post in bold because it probably means more to me than anything else I’ve posted on TSE.

I personally believe Der Geist and R2D2 (and his new alias Chris U) have an agenda to try and steer shareholders into accusing AVZ of acting illegally in regards to their market sensitive disclosures.

I would not be surprised if he (or they, which ever is the case) turns up to a Roadshow or the AGM with this in mind and is hoping they will have backing from other shareholders to push their agenda.

The reason for this is bullshit for us, as frustrated and angry as we may be, it would totally oppose our purpose of moving forward and our chances of getting answers on so many levels.

A simple person may think it’s an attempt to cause a drop in SP coming out of suspension creating a buy opportunity but that’s a weak reason.

Der Geist has admitted he has colluded with Simon Cong, and a few hours ago he limited access to his account here so you cannot access his posts through his account.

This is what he has previously posted:

“When I started getting info from Cong, I could tell there were issues with their documents straight away, I even offered to advise him on what the issues are”

“He accepted but I never got around to it. The paper trail was getting to interesting. Moreover the court judgment that AVZ didn’t attend”

He also communicated with the Australian Financial Review’s Tom (who we know colluded with Boatman) saying

“When AFR-Tom climbed on with his hit piece, it was clear to me, that I had to separate my views from the real troll camp”

“When I contacted Tom to offer him a better perspective, he was such an arrogant twat, that I resolved to distance my questions from such idiocy”

I’ve tried to help fellow shareholders here by offering information as well as some humour along the way, but there comes a point where you all have to make an informed judgment and not keep sitting on the fence.

Goodnight and good luck all, in the end we have to stick together and fight for this company, especially from the corruption we are up against

Goodnight and good luck all, in the end we have to stick together and fight for this company, especially from the corruption we are up against

So to summarize

Food for thought

Frank

 

[Winenut]

Fuck I'm glad I cooked an Italian fest for my family and friends today and stayed well away from all that shit.....

I await the official announcements and presentations from AVZ

Bring it on.....most else is just bullshit

 

[cruiser51]

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Hi Retro, I have been a little puzzled with this photo of a burnt out car with right hand drive configuration.

I would be rather surprised if AVZ drives right hand drive cars in the DRC.
Traffic in the DRC is a on the right hand side of the road and cars require left hand drive configuration.


Please read the following article from 2007 regarding right hand drive cars in the DRC:


JULY 4, 200712:08 FROM 15 YEARS AGO

Congo angers easterners with right-hand drive ban​

By Reuters Staff
2 MIN READ

KINSHASA (Reuters) - Democratic Republic of Congo is banning right-hand drive cars in an effort to improve dire road safety, angering drivers in the vast country’s south and east where most vehicles have the steering wheel on the right.
Congolese drive on the right-hand side of the road. The majority of cars in the west of the former Belgian colony, where the capital Kinshasa is located, are imported from continental Europe and are therefore left-hand drive.

But vehicles in the south and east are mostly brought in from Asia via neighbouring Kenya, Tanzania and Zambia, former British colonies where cars are right-hand drive.
“Vehicles with the steering wheel on the right are the cause of a lot of accidents on our country’s roads,” Gilles-Benjamin Saidi Kampene, president of the national road safety commission, told Reuters on Tuesday.
“We have granted a 12-month period to give them time to put the steering wheel on the left, and after that they will be banned,” he said.


Now that was 15 years ago.

I don't say it is not an AVZ vehicle, but I take everything on social media with a truck load of salt, especially after reading the above article.

 

[Samus]

Anyone know roughly how much of the registry retail investors account for? Is there some way to work this out?

 

[Winenut]

Anyone know roughly how much of the registry retail investors account for? Is there some way to work this out?

Define "retail"

Therein lies the difficulty of answering the question my friend

 

[Samus]

Define "retail"

Therein lies the difficulty of answering the question my friend

Indeed, this article is interesting.

What’s the retail investment sweet spot? - IR Impact

New research into retail investor trends shows that while most companies (55 percent) are happy with their current levels of re

www.irmagazine.com

At least to me when contemplating how much effect the inevitable retail/trader exodus might have on our share price.
Anyway looking forward for some clarity tomorrow. Hope we get something of substance.

 

[BRICK]

Hi Retro, I have been a little puzzled with this photo of a burnt out car with right hand drive configuration.

I would be rather surprised if AVZ drives right hand drive cars in the DRC.
Traffic in the DRC is a on the right hand side of the road and cars require left hand drive configuration.


Please read the following article from 2007 regarding right hand drive cars in the DRC:


JULY 4, 200712:08 FROM 15 YEARS AGO

Congo angers easterners with right-hand drive ban​

By Reuters Staff
2 MIN READ

KINSHASA (Reuters) - Democratic Republic of Congo is banning right-hand drive cars in an effort to improve dire road safety, angering drivers in the vast country’s south and east where most vehicles have the steering wheel on the right.
Congolese drive on the right-hand side of the road. The majority of cars in the west of the former Belgian colony, where the capital Kinshasa is located, are imported from continental Europe and are therefore left-hand drive.

But vehicles in the south and east are mostly brought in from Asia via neighbouring Kenya, Tanzania and Zambia, former British colonies where cars are right-hand drive.
“Vehicles with the steering wheel on the right are the cause of a lot of accidents on our country’s roads,” Gilles-Benjamin Saidi Kampene, president of the national road safety commission, told Reuters on Tuesday.
“We have granted a 12-month period to give them time to put the steering wheel on the left, and after that they will be banned,” he said.


Now that was 15 years ago.

I don't say it is not an AVZ vehicle, but I take everything on social media with a truck load of salt, especially after reading the above article.

yep. wrong side