AVZ Discussion 2022

[Huntian]

Kobold obviously approaching this extremely weary of DRC's history of shitfuckery. Bottom line is they won't own anything with clean title unless they pay AVZ to disappear.... so hold firm Nigel while we have em by the balls.

https://x.com/HookedOnLithium/status/1946336325873086519

 

[Dave Evans]

By asking Copilot a series of questions it has presented a detailed AVZ compensation mechanism and timeline. Whether Copilot is correct or not is another matter, but the essence of the 'compensation mechanism' is:

1. Independent Valuation.
2. Cash Componet.
3. Equity Component.
4. Escrow and Guarantees.
5. Milestone Bonuses.

I have not posted the detail regarding the AVZ compensation mechanism and timeline because I don't know how accurate it is. However, does anybody want to read the Copilot detail fwiw? Of course you could just interrogate Copliot, Grok, etc. and see what answers you get, but the answers depend on the questions that you present.

Did you add in that

1) Roche Dure has a mineral resource including 669Mt of 1.61% Li2O

2. The ICC compensation claim shows we have suffered damages in excess of US$9.4billion

3. The IGF, ICC and ICSID all show the DRC acted corruptly and violated international laws. They even violated their own mining laws

4. We have won all decisions in the international courts to date including orders by the ICC for Cominiere to pay us over €39,000,000 just for the violations they have committed so far

5. Risk has been greatly reduced because of the Minerals For Security and Peace Agreements between the US, DRC and Rwanda

6. KoBold owners are all multi billionaires and have the added availability of funds through the US Defence Budget and a JV partner who will actually build the project, like RIO Tinto

 

[Jongo]

Did you add in that

1) Roche Dure has a mineral resource including 669Mt of 1.61% Li2O

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2. The ICC compensation claim shows we have suffered damages in excess of US$9.4billion

3. The IGF, ICC and ICSID all show the DRC acted corruptly and violated international laws. They even violated their own mining laws

4. We have won all decisions in the international courts to date including orders by the ICC for Cominiere to pay us over €39,000,000 just for the violations they have committed so far

5. Risk has been greatly reduced because of the Security For Minerals and Peace Agreements between the US, DRC and Rwanda

6. KoBold owners are all multi billionaires and have the added availability of funds through the US Defence Budget and a JV partner who will actually build the project, like RIO Tinto

All very good points that will be considered by the three-member independent valuation panel (one each by AVZ, KoBold, and a mutually agreed–upon expert). I have not bothered asking Copilot to calculate a valuation estimate because it is only the independent valuation panel fair value conclusion that matters. If the Copilot timeline is correct we should see the independent valuation panel report by 31-Jul-2025.

I in effect interrogated Copilot with many questions regarding the source and integrity of the Copilot interpretation of the 'Compensation Mechanism' and 'Key Timeline'. The response is very thorough but cannot be considered as 100% definitive.

 

[Flight996]

Let's see who DRC dredges up as an envoy. Likely Celestin kibeya or some other Cominiere mafia network criminal knowing our luck and the DRC's propensity for idiocy.
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Mate, I am more concerned about attempts to freeze AVZ out of discussions to sell its Roche Dure tenement to KoBold.

AVZ retains legal control over at least 70% (and probably 75%) of Roche Dure, regardless of what those rat-swallowing DRC pricks, and their shit-eating Chinese masters think, say or do.

Both ICC and ICSID arbitrations are open, and that's AVZ's strength. KoBold will not enter an agreement and commit to buying a multi-billion dollar asset when legal doubt remains over its ownership.

Sooner or later the DRC and KoBold need to speak to AVZ Minerals, rather than to themselves.

 

[Samus]

Mate, I am more concerned about attempts to freeze AVZ out of discussions to sell its Roche Dure tenement to KoBold.

AVZ retains legal control over at least 70% (and probably 75%) of Roche Dure, regardless of what those rat-swallowing DRC pricks, and their shit-eating Chinese masters think, say or do.

Both ICC and ICSID arbitrations are open, and that's AVZ's strength. KoBold will not enter an agreement and commit to buying a multi-billion dollar asset when legal doubt remains over its ownership.

Sooner or later the DRC and KoBold need to speak to AVZ Minerals, rather than themselves.


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I'd like to think this line of Kobolds statement that you've posted represents what you're talking about.

For political reasons, their own incompetence and mishandling of the whole situation plus their dependence on the Cominiere mafia network/China for power and snacks that DRC simply won't mention AVZ though it is implied that kobold can go ahead with DRC blessing to buy out AVZ.

I'm more concerned about what seems to be the internal power struggle of DRC politics where they promise the president one thing but then do something else because they've been corrupted by Chinese, threatened by other politicians or have their own different agenda and so on. Following this line of reasoning it'll be interesting to see who gets appointed as the envoy on DRC's behalf.

 

[Winenut]

They can shove the equity component of any deal right up their arses.

I want 100% full value cash upfront and I never want to see or hear of the DRC Manono Kobold Cominiere Kibeya Felix The ICC or The ICSID ever fucking again….

 

[Bray]

Surely now this agreement has been signed with president etc that Com & co will have to abide by it, surely they can’t over rule the president

 

[Carlos Danger]

Mate, I am more concerned about attempts to freeze AVZ out of discussions to sell its Roche Dure tenement to KoBold.

AVZ retains legal control over at least 70% (and probably 75%) of Roche Dure, regardless of what those rat-swallowing DRC pricks, and their shit-eating Chinese masters think, say or do.

Both ICC and ICSID arbitrations are open, and that's AVZ's strength. KoBold will not enter an agreement and commit to buying a multi-billion dollar asset when legal doubt remains over its ownership.

Sooner or later the DRC and KoBold need to speak to AVZ Minerals, rather than themselves.


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I'd like to think this line of Kobolds statement that you've posted represents what you're talking about.
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For political reasons, their own incompetence and mishandling of the whole situation plus their dependence on the Cominiere mafia network/China for power and snacks that DRC simply won't mention AVZ though it is implied that kobold can go ahead with DRC blessing to buy out AVZ.
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I'm more concerned about what seems to be the internal power struggle of DRC politics where they promise the president one thing but then do something else because they've been corrupted by Chinese, threatened by other politicians or have their own different agenda and so on. Following this line of reasoning it'll be interesting to see who gets appointed as the envoy on DRC's behalf.

Disputes won't be resolved unless we get paid imo

 

[Carlos Danger]

MMCS ain't getting shit August lmao

 

[Samus]

Disputes won't be resolved unless we get paid imo

What's your rationale around how we possibly arrive at a payout figure with ongoing disputes against dathomir for the 5% zijin/Cominiere 15% and being beholden to CATH for ongoing legal funding and with agreements in place?

 

[Carlos Danger]

What's your rationale around how we possibly arrive at a payout figure with ongoing disputes against dathomir for the 5% zijin/Cominiere 15% and being beholden to CATH for ongoing legal funding and with agreements in place?

Remaining Dathomir 5% is ours. Everyone knows it. Either a deal is made or we wait a few more months until ICC decision for the final part of the payment.

Cominiere FROR 15% won't ever be ours so it doesn't matter

CATH equity deal doesn't kick in unless ML is granted. Business is business. Anyone stupid enough to vote for Huljich, Carrick and Ludbrook deserves to get rat fucked imo

 

[cruiser51]

 

[Samus]

Remaining Dathomir 5% is ours. Everyone knows it. Either a deal is made or we wait a few more months until ICC decision for the final part of the payment.

Cominiere FROR 15% won't ever be ours so it doesn't matter

CATH equity deal doesn't kick in unless ML is granted. Business is business. Anyone stupid enough to vote for Huljich, Carrick and Ludbrook deserves to get rat fucked imo

All sounds good in theory, I guess what I'm a actually asking is: from a legal perspective what actually needs to happen and in what order before a payout could actually be reached?
Everyone knows something is different from something actually being resolved from a legal perspective.
Is there anything in the fine print in an agreement such as the ones with CATH that could put a spanner in the works and so on.
I've got nfi about the legals other than that they take a long time and are often a required prerequisite before coming to any formal agreement.

100% agree about CATH, I'd like to see them shafted personally.
They never lifted a finger to help AVZ, conspired with the MMAGOTS and then only came to our aid for funding at the 11th hour when they saw opportunity for exploitation at our time of need.

 

[BRICK]

Remaining Dathomir 5% is ours. Everyone knows it. Either a deal is made or we wait a few more months until ICC decision for the final part of the payment.

Cominiere FROR 15% won't ever be ours so it doesn't matter

CATH equity deal doesn't kick in unless ML is granted. Business is business. Anyone stupid enough to vote for Huljich, Carrick and Ludbrook deserves to get rat fucked imo

These cu&%^nts... what they did wont ever be forgotten

 

[Mute22]

These cu&%^nts... what they did wont ever be forgotten


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Say what you want about the Nazi's, they must of been on to something with physiognomy.

How anybody could look at these greasy c*&!ts faces and think they are trustworthy is beyond me.

 

[KentCStrait]

These cu&%^nts... what they did wont ever be forgotten

KoBold pays us properly and I’ll happily forget. Huljich. Carrick. Ludbrook. Zinjin. Cong. Cominière. Tshisekedi. DRC. Even KoBold. All of them – gone.

 

[hedrox]

If the DRC government doesn't want to deal with AVZ, they have to give the mining license to Kobold...
but Kobold can't get the mining license without owing AVZ's interest in the Manano deposit..
That would mean Kobold have to buy out AVZ first before the granting of the license.
We might even agree to a valuation and buyout price earlier than the 31 of July...IMO

 

[BRICK]

KoBold pays us properly and I’ll happily forget. Huljich. Carrick. Ludbrook. Zinjin. Cong. Cominière. Tshisekedi. DRC. Even KoBold. All of them – gone.

I wont

 

[protoje]

I wont

 

[BRICK]

Just for those born after 1985....