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cruiser51

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That’s incomprehensible dribble (Der Geist). I expect he’s autistic - he probably does algebra for fun and in the long winter evenings belts out tunes on the Hammond organ (with his mum on vocals), but he sure as shit can’t write a coherent statement.
I do algebra for fun, I love Bob Dylan.
I believe all Shanes should be given free medical help to sort all Shanes' brains out to rid Australia from absolute tossers.

What a fucking wanker.
He is convinced he is God's gift to the world and that is so fucking unbelievable sad.
 
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cruiser51

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Like most posters, I welcome the potential for a deal being done and this has the potential for AVZ to get off the canvas. AVZ has continued to find that rarely will any non Chinese entity invest in the DRC. This deal ( in whatever guise it is finalised ) will cement Chinese control of Manono and also strongly influence the world Lithium market. I suspect that when the project is operational, and with the probable large output, this will keep the price of Lithium under constant pressure. The Chinese Company's needs for Lithium material will be met by the availability of this major resource, and this will help to restrict the buying price of Lithium. You only need to see what has happened in Indonesia with Chinese control of Nickel. Was Zijin's action of being the Bad Cop used to allow Cath to be the Good Cop to ensure control of Manono?

It is now a bit clearer why the Locke deal took so long. The Cath deal was also running in parallel for some of the time.

I suspect that Cath has nearly all the ducks lined up with all groups involved, and we are only waiting on the finer details to be signed off by each party before the Chinese Govt. gives the seal of approval. This must have been a massive effort, as the groups involved include DRC Govt, Cominiere, Dathomir, Zijin, AVZ, Cath and the Chinese Govt. Cath's size, reputation, and ability to conclude deals were some of the ingredients that AVZ lacked.

I have a few concerns, and we can only hope that our Board can get some success in protecting the Company and Shareholders. AVZ does not have a lot of clout or big brother support. Shareholders must recognise that Cath will not be a benevolent supporter of shareholders.

The Cath deal announcement by AVZ makes no comment about the legal issues. Interestingly, neither party has paid the fees to progress the cases. AVZ indicated that they would pay, but we have no confirmation of this action. Don't forget we were told that the deal with Locke was finalised but we had no confirmation of any signing. Cath proposes to provide funds at the end of January. Is this too late? Is termination of legal action part of the Cath deal? What happens if the deal falls over? I doubt that AVZ will get any substantial funds from the judgements made to date, but AVZ may be able to use these legal awards as bargaining chips.

The price Cath pays for their 30.5% of the total project is just under $300 million. How were these figures worked out? Is it as a result of other deals? With AVZ being left with 29.5% ( based on the initial 60% holding ) this should highlight to shareholders that AVZ's value is nowhere near some of the dreams postulated by a few.

Yes, if the Dathomir deal is sorted, AVZ can go to 44.5% of the project. I believe Cath is the only group that can get this finalised. AVZ requires this to be fixed to cancel the DRC Court's rulings of penalties against AVZ, and to eliminate the action against Graeme Johnston. Funds held in escrow how will this be fixed? Will Dathomir be paid any extra?

Regarding Cominiere, is it possible to cancel previous deals regarding AVZ's ROFR. If AVZ can gain a minimum of 6% of Cominiere's original 25%, and agreement is made that payment is offset by the approx $60 million legal costs awarded against Cominiere, this could lift AVZ's share to 51%. Zijin to retain the other 9% (?) and Cominiere pass on the 10% to DRC Govt.
Shareholding then Cath 30.5%, AVZ 50.5%, Zijin 9 % and DRC Govt 10%. Cath may dangle the Lithium Hydroxide or other material upgrading to smooth the path with DRC Govt.
I believe that this is highly improbable. Zijin will counter any proposals with details of what they have spent on payments to Cominiere and others, plus drilling costs etc on Manono and Hydro Power upgrade costs.

A further concern is what amount of PR13359 will AVZ/Cath gain. I doubt it will be the total amount, but hope that AVZ's original boundaries which include the camp and water access are gained as a minimum. If Zijin/Cominiere retain any amount of 13359 they could build an extremely large plant and the output could provide similar results to what has occurred in the Nickel market.

The other issue is ownership/access/operational items for any Manono Lithium output.

Who owns/controls/builds/operates/markets output. Will any of these be used as bargaining chips?
1. Hydro Power, 2.Water, 3. Transport 4. Tin etc

Like the majority of shareholders, I have NFI about what is happening with these negotiations. The above only covers part of the possible options, but it is an attempt to alert shareholders of the complexity as I see it that the Board is facing.

I have made these comments as I felt they needed to be aired, as it may come to pass that as shareholders we have to vote on an agreement.

These comments are not financial advice but a general opinion of the current situation as I see it.
Hi Grassseeds,

We met and had coffee prior to one of the AVZ's happenings, can't remember exactly which one, was at Fraser's suites. we exchanged thoughts.

Been to too many.
I appreciates people's thoughts and respect them as being their thoughts.
I find it important to figure out the general feeling of all share holders.


Your post.

I appreciate you putting your thoughts on paper.

However I respectfully disagree with your post.

I believe John Clarke's explanation at this point in time, regarding the future of the company, makes much more sense.
I know you were there, so you did hear John's explanation.

Taking in consideration, that we don't know all what is happening in the background, John's seems to be a healthier approach.

My believe, even during an AGM, a BOD is not always able to show all their cards.
It is just how life is.
Do we really know who is in the room and what their motives are?
I still have to laugh about the bundle of HC no-hopers, who were going to attend the AGM, because they thought they could.

So what is being said from the podium to the audience is just what it is.
If I don't trust the BOD, I will vote them out asap at every possible turn.

Sorry John, I will not discuss in public why I do not agree with your published point of view.
Too many wankers lurking.
 
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BRICK

Where’s Zeebot 😶‍🌫️
I do algebra for fun, I love Bob Dylan.
I believe all Shanes should be given free medical help to sort all Shanes' brains out to rid Australia from absolute tossers.

What a fucking wanker.
He is convinced he is God's gift to the world and that is so fucking unbelievable sad.
Clearly never had a root to save his life
 
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DiscoDanNZ

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That’s incomprehensible dribble (Der Geist). I expect he’s autistic - he probably does algebra for fun and in the long winter evenings belts out tunes on the Hammond organ (with his mum on vocals), but he sure as shit can’t write a coherent statement.

I actually did a much bigger screenshot of the dribble but it was so big nobody would bother reading it.

He's completely mental. If anyone is bored and wants to have a good laugh at a delusional madman I'd highly recommend reading through his Twitter posts.
 
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tolate

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Like most posters, I welcome the potential for a deal being done and this has the potential for AVZ to get off the canvas. AVZ has continued to find that rarely will any non Chinese entity invest in the DRC. This deal ( in whatever guise it is finalised ) will cement Chinese control of Manono and also strongly influence the world Lithium market. I suspect that when the project is operational, and with the probable large output, this will keep the price of Lithium under constant pressure. The Chinese Company's needs for Lithium material will be met by the availability of this major resource, and this will help to restrict the buying price of Lithium. You only need to see what has happened in Indonesia with Chinese control of Nickel. Was Zijin's action of being the Bad Cop used to allow Cath to be the Good Cop to ensure control of Manono?

It is now a bit clearer why the Locke deal took so long. The Cath deal was also running in parallel for some of the time.

I suspect that Cath has nearly all the ducks lined up with all groups involved, and we are only waiting on the finer details to be signed off by each party before the Chinese Govt. gives the seal of approval. This must have been a massive effort, as the groups involved include DRC Govt, Cominiere, Dathomir, Zijin, AVZ, Cath and the Chinese Govt. Cath's size, reputation, and ability to conclude deals were some of the ingredients that AVZ lacked.

I have a few concerns, and we can only hope that our Board can get some success in protecting the Company and Shareholders. AVZ does not have a lot of clout or big brother support. Shareholders must recognise that Cath will not be a benevolent supporter of shareholders.

The Cath deal announcement by AVZ makes no comment about the legal issues. Interestingly, neither party has paid the fees to progress the cases. AVZ indicated that they would pay, but we have no confirmation of this action. Don't forget we were told that the deal with Locke was finalised but we had no confirmation of any signing. Cath proposes to provide funds at the end of January. Is this too late? Is termination of legal action part of the Cath deal? What happens if the deal falls over? I doubt that AVZ will get any substantial funds from the judgements made to date, but AVZ may be able to use these legal awards as bargaining chips.

The price Cath pays for their 30.5% of the total project is just under $300 million. How were these figures worked out? Is it as a result of other deals? With AVZ being left with 29.5% ( based on the initial 60% holding ) this should highlight to shareholders that AVZ's value is nowhere near some of the dreams postulated by a few.

Yes, if the Dathomir deal is sorted, AVZ can go to 44.5% of the project. I believe Cath is the only group that can get this finalised. AVZ requires this to be fixed to cancel the DRC Court's rulings of penalties against AVZ, and to eliminate the action against Graeme Johnston. Funds held in escrow how will this be fixed? Will Dathomir be paid any extra?

Regarding Cominiere, is it possible to cancel previous deals regarding AVZ's ROFR. If AVZ can gain a minimum of 6% of Cominiere's original 25%, and agreement is made that payment is offset by the approx $60 million legal costs awarded against Cominiere, this could lift AVZ's share to 51%. Zijin to retain the other 9% (?) and Cominiere pass on the 10% to DRC Govt.
Shareholding then Cath 30.5%, AVZ 50.5%, Zijin 9 % and DRC Govt 10%. Cath may dangle the Lithium Hydroxide or other material upgrading to smooth the path with DRC Govt.
I believe that this is highly improbable. Zijin will counter any proposals with details of what they have spent on payments to Cominiere and others, plus drilling costs etc on Manono and Hydro Power upgrade costs.

A further concern is what amount of PR13359 will AVZ/Cath gain. I doubt it will be the total amount, but hope that AVZ's original boundaries which include the camp and water access are gained as a minimum. If Zijin/Cominiere retain any amount of 13359 they could build an extremely large plant and the output could provide similar results to what has occurred in the Nickel market.

The other issue is ownership/access/operational items for any Manono Lithium output.

Who owns/controls/builds/operates/markets output. Will any of these be used as bargaining chips?
1. Hydro Power, 2.Water, 3. Transport 4. Tin etc

Like the majority of shareholders, I have NFI about what is happening with these negotiations. The above only covers part of the possible options, but it is an attempt to alert shareholders of the complexity as I see it that the Board is facing.

I have made these comments as I felt they needed to be aired, as it may come to pass that as shareholders we have to vote on an agreement.

These comments are not financial advice but a general opinion of the current situation as I see it.
Nice post has MERIT..!
 
Something to keep in mind: If the asset were to be sold, 30% of the proceeds go to the corrupt government of the DRC*. Should this thing finally reach a resolution i’d prefer we relist (here/Singapore) and give people the option as to how and when they exit.

*If we did offload the asset i‘d be furious if we just wrote a cheque to the DRC government for the 30%. Make them chase us through the courts for years.
Only deadbeats don’t pay their taxes imo 👻
 
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Like most posters, I welcome the potential for a deal being done and this has the potential for AVZ to get off the canvas. AVZ has continued to find that rarely will any non Chinese entity invest in the DRC. This deal ( in whatever guise it is finalised ) will cement Chinese control of Manono and also strongly influence the world Lithium market. I suspect that when the project is operational, and with the probable large output, this will keep the price of Lithium under constant pressure. The Chinese Company's needs for Lithium material will be met by the availability of this major resource, and this will help to restrict the buying price of Lithium. You only need to see what has happened in Indonesia with Chinese control of Nickel. Was Zijin's action of being the Bad Cop used to allow Cath to be the Good Cop to ensure control of Manono?

It is now a bit clearer why the Locke deal took so long. The Cath deal was also running in parallel for some of the time.

I suspect that Cath has nearly all the ducks lined up with all groups involved, and we are only waiting on the finer details to be signed off by each party before the Chinese Govt. gives the seal of approval. This must have been a massive effort, as the groups involved include DRC Govt, Cominiere, Dathomir, Zijin, AVZ, Cath and the Chinese Govt. Cath's size, reputation, and ability to conclude deals were some of the ingredients that AVZ lacked.

I have a few concerns, and we can only hope that our Board can get some success in protecting the Company and Shareholders. AVZ does not have a lot of clout or big brother support. Shareholders must recognise that Cath will not be a benevolent supporter of shareholders.

The Cath deal announcement by AVZ makes no comment about the legal issues. Interestingly, neither party has paid the fees to progress the cases. AVZ indicated that they would pay, but we have no confirmation of this action. Don't forget we were told that the deal with Locke was finalised but we had no confirmation of any signing. Cath proposes to provide funds at the end of January. Is this too late? Is termination of legal action part of the Cath deal? What happens if the deal falls over? I doubt that AVZ will get any substantial funds from the judgements made to date, but AVZ may be able to use these legal awards as bargaining chips.

The price Cath pays for their 30.5% of the total project is just under $300 million. How were these figures worked out? Is it as a result of other deals? With AVZ being left with 29.5% ( based on the initial 60% holding ) this should highlight to shareholders that AVZ's value is nowhere near some of the dreams postulated by a few.

Yes, if the Dathomir deal is sorted, AVZ can go to 44.5% of the project. I believe Cath is the only group that can get this finalised. AVZ requires this to be fixed to cancel the DRC Court's rulings of penalties against AVZ, and to eliminate the action against Graeme Johnston. Funds held in escrow how will this be fixed? Will Dathomir be paid any extra?

Regarding Cominiere, is it possible to cancel previous deals regarding AVZ's ROFR. If AVZ can gain a minimum of 6% of Cominiere's original 25%, and agreement is made that payment is offset by the approx $60 million legal costs awarded against Cominiere, this could lift AVZ's share to 51%. Zijin to retain the other 9% (?) and Cominiere pass on the 10% to DRC Govt.
Shareholding then Cath 30.5%, AVZ 50.5%, Zijin 9 % and DRC Govt 10%. Cath may dangle the Lithium Hydroxide or other material upgrading to smooth the path with DRC Govt.
I believe that this is highly improbable. Zijin will counter any proposals with details of what they have spent on payments to Cominiere and others, plus drilling costs etc on Manono and Hydro Power upgrade costs.

A further concern is what amount of PR13359 will AVZ/Cath gain. I doubt it will be the total amount, but hope that AVZ's original boundaries which include the camp and water access are gained as a minimum. If Zijin/Cominiere retain any amount of 13359 they could build an extremely large plant and the output could provide similar results to what has occurred in the Nickel market.

The other issue is ownership/access/operational items for any Manono Lithium output.

Who owns/controls/builds/operates/markets output. Will any of these be used as bargaining chips?
1. Hydro Power, 2.Water, 3. Transport 4. Tin etc

Like the majority of shareholders, I have NFI about what is happening with these negotiations. The above only covers part of the possible options, but it is an attempt to alert shareholders of the complexity as I see it that the Board is facing.

I have made these comments as I felt they needed to be aired, as it may come to pass that as shareholders we have to vote on an agreement.

These comments are not financial advice but a general opinion of the current situation as I see it.
Brah I don’t even know where to start

TIA is based on 75% not 60%

We have FROR over the whole 15% if Cominiere decide to sell

AVZ will maintain full legal control of the project by being the majority holder of GLH

We only drop to 44.5% on an indirect basis for profit

Tin is part of Dathcom’s application so will not be treated differently

Power plant will be shared imo

I do agree with you that this deal further cements Chinese control of Manono in reality on the ground
 
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If we take this mining, what's stopping CATH from lowballing the offtake pricing now we are 100% committed to them? Wouldn't they just bleed the company dry and buy it out for cheapies?
 
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Only deadbeats don’t pay their taxes imo 👻
I had the same thought. Settlement paid to AVZ by direct payment, let them work through the courts to get their undeserved tax. We could make a killing on the interest in the 32 years it takes go through the ICSID.
 
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Xerof

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If we take this mining, what's stopping CATH from lowballing the offtake pricing now we are 100% committed to them? Wouldn't they just bleed the company dry and buy it out for cheapies?
AVZ is stopping them
They do not have 100% and never will.
Read the announcement, my previous post on off takes, and go look at who else has binding off takes on their website

This is the last stupid post I'm going to reply to. Someone else might be able to ease your anxiety, but you are on ignore now sorry, as I think you have a Tolate-esque agenda
 
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cruiser51

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If we take this mining, what's stopping CATH from lowballing the offtake pricing now we are 100% committed to them? Wouldn't they just bleed the company dry and buy it out for cheapies?
 
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tolate

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AVZ is stopping them
They do not have 100% and never will.
Read the announcement, my previous post on off takes, and go look at who else has binding off takes on their website

This is the last stupid post I'm going to reply to. Someone else might be able to ease your anxiety, but you are on ignore now sorry, as I think you have a Tolate-esque agenda
Yes, cause doubt, uncertainty and anxiety in shareholders.
That is literally Tolates mandate, even if you go back to before he was identified, that's exactly what he was doing, and that was all he was doing.

This poster is pretty much trying to do the same thing.
Particularly in this latest post which is really dumb, because a legitamate concerned holder would have thought his idea through for a few moments and realised the idea is nonsense.

Posting only to cause anxiety and uncertainty, moving from one topic to the next each week. It's looking a lot like another account from one of the gang of psycho tards.
 
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Winenut

GO AVZ!!!!
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PhatCatz

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Thanks for the responses but unsure on the jabs. I’m not related in any way shape or form to any of those Chinese puppets. I apologise for asking a question. In hindsight it seems a stupid one.
 
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Retrobyte

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Shane getting very upset, can only mean good news right?

I don't visit X much these days but went for a look. The number of posts from Shane in such a short period of time prove he is blatantly triggered by the surprise events of the past week. Most of his posts seem to be written the same way David Bowie wrote Diamond Dogs ....

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Dhuboy

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Zijin selling up in Aus - seen the writing on the wall?

Minerals 260 has executed binding documentation to acquire 100% of the Bullabulling Gold
Project from Norton Gold Fields Pty Ltd, a wholly owned subsidiary of Zijin Mining Group Co., Ltd.
 

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Winenut

GO AVZ!!!!
Anyone out there know the % holdings in CATH between Mr Pei and CATL??

CATH is jointly owned by both but I'm not sure of %'s

Any help appreciated

Cheers
Nut
 
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Dazmac66

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Anyone out there know the % holdings in CATH between Mr Pei and CATL??

CATH is jointly owned by both but I'm not sure of %'s

Any help appreciated

Cheers
Nut
I think someone said it was 50/50. Don't quote me.
 
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Winenut

GO AVZ!!!!
I think someone said it was 50/50. Don't quote me.
Could be right

I've seen it come up a few times described as "jointly owned"

I never necessarily thought that would be 50/50

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