AVZ Discussion 2022

wombat74

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So wait another what...2 years or so until ICSID is wrapped up? Then more years waiting to see if DRC will eventually respect the ruling?

And of course no bagging the board in the meantime... that is if it's even the same board, given likely automatic spill challenge after another tick against the renumeration report at the next AGM
First cab off the rank is finance . Would there be an another AGM if Nigel fails to get the $$$$$ ? AVZ have already had favourable findings by both the ICC and ICSID . It's not the BoD fault the DRC chooses to ignore them . Not the BoD fault either that the DRC/cominiere wont pay their fines . If you get my drift ?
 
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Frank

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The president of the country has said they only deal with Chinese and Russians, so we have to rely on ICC and ICSID for what we call justice.

The president is the problem - always has and always will be. He promotes corruption, even fosters it.

Not one single attack on anyone related to the DRC side has stuck. We've got Government officials pissing off to France for "emergency medical treatment" and never checking in to the hospital! Cominiere is laughing all the way to the bank as he buddies up to his Chinese mates. The newly elected officials have not started looking at the problem caused by their predecessors, and we have no confidence they ever will! $30M and then $70M goes missing and no one is looking for it? World Bank pats them on the head, says to "try harder" to which platitudes are offered and they go back to their corrupt ways..

The level of proof of corruption is irrefutable and yet it continues to flourish. How can the Country ignore its own laws? Easy, it just does..

This is way beyond a joke now and the DRC needs to be taught a lesson.....



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A thousand thanks
 
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I think there is a massive game of chicken happening right now.

ICSID is the threat used for a negotiated settlement . ICSID is not the outcome .

I reckon you're about right, who else is going to want it after what we've witnessed anyway?
Zijin/CATL scumbag alliance needs to buy it in return for making all the legal problems go away.
Can we squeeze a couple of billion USD out of those cockroaches? who knows.
Maybe with pressure from the DRC government who'll be footing the damages bill over the next decade if things continue as they are.
That's the way I see it anyway, this fucking MoU bullshit doesn't excite me at all.

Some thoughts, based on my reading/understanding mainly from this thread 😀. Please pull me up where I’m wrong, thanks.

Supposedly Zijin has now had control of the Manono asset since 2022, yet have made next to no progress in developing the mine or associated infrastructure. Some signage and a shonky attempt at a piddling dam, but no substantial mining activity, road works etc

So, what is holding things up? If they were serious and sure of their position surely they would moved ahead.

1. Legal challenges over their tenure of the Manono asset/s and protracted international legal proceedings – not a conducive investment environment for a major funding commitment.

2. Even for a western mining company the funding requirement to develop Manono and associated infrastructure is absolutely massive – way beyond the capacity of DRC and Zijin. Maybe even Zijin would need to find a cashed up Chinese/western partner?

3. The economics to open a new spod mine at this time is very marginal – international price of lithium has been going down for several years due to the decreased sales/demand, lower/slower EV sales etc Commercial viability atm may not support start up? In Australia spod mines have been mothballed.

4. The Chinese economy has been in dire straights since Covid (housing crash, high unemployment, shortage of private and public funds etc) and they are finding it increasingly difficult to assemble/release funds for major capital investments domestically/foreign. Many projects in China have been mothballed (I'm here and I can see them).

5. Furthermore, the Chinese Government and SOEs are increasingly disinclined to fund major foreign capital investments (under their Belt & Road strategy) – they have been burnt by several poor Asian, African S. American countries (similar to DRC) that have been defaulting on their loan repayments.

Overall the Chinese investment environment is very negative atm.

This all leads me to think that Nigel has some wriggle room now to push even harder and score some points against Zijin with Félix/Prime Minister. Félix must be getting nervous and unhappy holding the can for these thankless Chinese thieves.

Nigel should aggressively raise the following:

A. The Chinese have done nothing for 2 ½ years (no drilling, testing, planning etc), wasting everyones’ time, and must now show their cards and put-up (show the colour of their money) or fuck-off, but not sit on the can.

B. If action is taken to return the ownership to AVZ Nigel can undertake to put all legal proceedings on hold and to progress AVZs investment/mining plans asap.

C If it drags out too long Félix may get caught holding the baby (not just the can) when the music eventually stops. Slowly, bit by bit the arrangements will crumble as key DRC people get taken to court or f/o overseas.

That US$70Mil that Zijin paid to obtain Manono is a side show for AVZ and is really only a concern to the DRC/Zijin – I suspect that the DRC would be just as happy to take the Zijin money and fuck them around also lol.
 
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Well ain’t that a kick in the nuts
 
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wombat74

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Some thoughts, based on my reading/understanding mainly from this thread 😀. Please pull me up where I’m wrong, thanks.

Supposedly Zijin has now had control of the Manono asset since 2022, yet have made next to no progress in developing the mine or associated infrastructure. Some signage and a shonky attempt at a piddling dam, but no substantial mining activity, road works etc

So, what is holding things up? If they were serious and sure of their position surely they would moved ahead.

1. Legal challenges over their tenure of the Manono asset/s and protracted international legal proceedings – not a conducive investment environment for a major funding commitment.

2. Even for a western mining company the funding requirement to develop Manono and associated infrastructure is absolutely massive – way beyond the capacity of DRC and Zijin. Maybe even Zijin would need to find a cashed up Chinese/western partner?

3. The economics to open a new spod mine at this time is very marginal – international price of lithium has been going down for several years due to the decreased sales/demand, lower/slower EV sales etc Commercial viability atm may not support start up? In Australia spod mines have been mothballed.

4. The Chinese economy has been in dire straights since Covid (housing crash, high unemployment, shortage of private and public funds etc) and they are finding it increasingly difficult to assemble/release funds for major capital investments domestically/foreign. Many projects in China have been mothballed (I'm here and I can see them).

5. Furthermore, the Chinese Government and SOEs are increasingly disinclined to fund major foreign capital investments (under their Belt & Road strategy) – they have been burnt by several poor Asian, African S. American countries (similar to DRC) that have been defaulting on their loan repayments.

Overall the Chinese investment environment is very negative atm.

This all leads me to think that Nigel has some wriggle room now to push even harder and score some points against Zijin with Félix/Prime Minister. Félix must be getting nervous and unhappy holding the can for these thankless Chinese thieves.

Nigel should aggressively raise the following:

A. The Chinese have done nothing for 2 ½ years (no drilling, testing, planning etc), wasting everyones’ time, and must now show their cards and put-up (show the colour of their money) or fuck-off, but not sit on the can.

B. If action is taken to return the ownership to AVZ Nigel can undertake to put all legal proceedings on hold and to progress AVZs investment/mining plans asap.

C If it drags out too long Félix may get caught holding the baby (not just the can) when the music eventually stops. Slowly, bit by bit the arrangements will crumble as key DRC people get taken to court or f/o overseas.

That US$70Mil that Zijin paid to obtain Manono is a side show for AVZ and is really only a concern to the DRC/Zijin – I suspect that the DRC would be just as happy to take the Zijin money and fuck them around also lol.
China has taken the North and is playing the waiting game for AVZ to go broke and then take the South . IMO
 
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View attachment 67089 Well ain’t that a kick in the nuts
Doubt it will carry through considering it’s still in front of ICC / ICSID and unresolved .

Imo this will be old mate Carrick trying to rattle any funding avenues available ; apparently he’s being working overtime ringing around trying to block any potential cash veins . They know they don’t have a hope legally ; so drowning financially, is the silver bullet … tell CK and his Cami buddy to put it up as approved would rattle the cash cage no doubt …. No decree issued yet it seems… straight approval on cami site
 
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Doubt it will carry through considering it’s still in front of ICC / ICSID and unresolved .

Imo this will be old mate Carrick trying to rattle any funding avenues available ; apparently he’s being working overtime ringing around trying to block any potential cash veins . They know they don’t have a hope legally ; so drowning financially, is the silver bullet … tell CK and his Cami buddy to put it up as approved would rattle the cash cage no doubt …. No decree issued yet it seems… straight approval on cami site
So then it stands to reason that if the BoD announced we had funding that it would rattle their cage. Hopefully we have some funding coming through soon
 
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wombat74

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Doubt it will carry through considering it’s still in front of ICC / ICSID and unresolved .

Imo this will be old mate Carrick trying to rattle any funding avenues available ; apparently he’s being working overtime ringing around trying to block any potential cash veins . They know they don’t have a hope legally ; so drowning financially, is the silver bullet … tell CK and his Cami buddy to put it up as approved would rattle the cash cage no doubt …. No decree issued yet it seems… straight approval on cami site
Agree . It's been an attack on AVZ's ability to raise funds . China do not want this getting to ICSID and are going into overdrive to stop it . Carrick is their little South African bitch boy imo .
 
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View attachment 67089 Well ain’t that a kick in the nuts
So laughable that they think this won't go unnoticed at ICSID and ICC... Hardly following the mining code. Plus where are the ministerial decrees required to approve PE!?
 
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How do we go hard on carrick on twitter? Any organisations other than RTG Mining that we can expose Michael’s unethical behaviour? Chartered accountants page on twitter?
 
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How do we go hard on carrick on twitter? Any organisations other than RTG Mining that we can expose Michael’s unethical behaviour? Chartered accountants page on twitter?
Japan gold also
 
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Samus

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Doubt it will carry through considering it’s still in front of ICC / ICSID and unresolved .
They'll get it, you watch.
They haven't followed protocols for anything to date.
 
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China has taken the North and is playing the waiting game for AVZ to go broke and then take the South . IMO
Fuck Zijin and all who sail in her....
 
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