AVZ Discussion 2022

[Dazmac66]

Well if we end up in a bidding war so be it!!

 

[Xerof]

I know historically they've been the most engaged parties.
But that's the only basis for what you say right?

Word is other interests outside of china are pretty serious.

loose lips sink ships - STFU on a public forum

@Carlos Danger - I'm happy to leave it to ICSID to give the determination, but IMO, unrealised promises and false pretences presented legal issues for MoM, which led to the reunification by decree (yes, 32 not 31, I didn't go back to look). That renders all past actions irrelevant and white noise. All the other shit since then is shitfuckery as Plan B for Zijin and their fuckwit mates.

Do you have copies of the decree from MoM that ratified the 15575 split? Really interested to see if it exists

 

[cruiser51]

If Dathcom is worthless then Dathomir is pretty silly not to accept US$ 20 million for 15% of nothing.
Maybe I got this all wrong.

 

[TheCount]

So the million dollar question people seem to avoid with a TO.

The likelihood of a TO will come from China which many would agree given the DRC shit show and the China mantra of brown paper bags.

If that happens the west is screwed too?

Can't really have it both ways where "the west doesn't want China to have this" but yet the TO is likely to come from China.

It is just one of the options to be considered by the best BOD (soon to be) formerly on the ASX.
TC.

 

[Samus]

It is just one of the options to be considered by the best BOD (soon to be) formerly on the ASX.
TC.

Best BOD of the asx!
I thank my lucky stars every fucking day!

 

[RHyNO]

I also see some light TLH. If you look at the big picture - if we get fully reamed it means China control a very large portion of the global lithium supply. Do the West want to be screwed harder by China?
It is all up to Tshekidi, does he renege on his back door deals with the Chinese or not. Simple!

If the west don’t want to be screwed by China there’s a simple solution! And yet we get fucking crickets from world governments! Felix out in paris shaking hands with Macron, why in fuck does Macron not simply ask the question! Is it because they like this situation? Is it because Nigel is not the white knight? It makes no sense that Biden and Albo are sitting around doing nothing while China scoops this through illegal gains!!!

 

[Retrobyte]

So the million dollar question people seem to avoid with a TO.

The likelihood of a TO will come from China which many would agree given the DRC shit show and the China mantra of brown paper bags.

If that happens the west is screwed too?

Can't really have it both ways where "the west doesn't want China to have this" but yet the TO is likely to come from China.

If shares are not able to be traded on market because AVZ is delisted, the only way anyone can TO is if a large percentage of shares are acquired via off market transfers. A takeover won't happen IMHO.

 

[Azzler]

If shares are not able to be traded on market because AVZ is delisted, the only way anyone can TO is if a large percentage of shares are acquired via off market transfers. A takeover won't happen IMHO.

I think we're talking about a takeover of AVZ's share in Dathcom.

 

[Mr_Tones83]

If shares are not able to be traded on market because AVZ is delisted, the only way anyone can TO is if a large percentage of shares are acquired via off market transfers. A takeover won't happen IMHO.

That's not correct, off-market takeovers are commonplace for both listed and unlisted companies.
The bidder will approach management and initiate an offer that is then taken to shareholders if deemed sufficient by management.

 

[SilentOne]

If the west don’t want to be screwed by China there’s a simple solution! And yet we get fucking crickets from world governments! Felix out in paris shaking hands with Macron, why in fuck does Macron not simply ask the question! Is it because they like this situation? Is it because Nigel is not the white knight? It makes no sense that Biden and Albo are sitting around doing nothing while China scoops this through illegal gains!!!

Tommy you wouldnt have a clue - Heads of State have private conversations and there is allot of behind the scenes stuff going on.

Rather than contribute to the speculation why not wait for the ICC and the ICSID to rule.

Regards,

SilentOne

 

[Lucas Don Velor]

If Dathcom is worthless then Dathomir is pretty silly not to accept US$ 20 million for 15% of nothing.
Maybe I got this all wrong.

OK guys, I'll take the grenade... I'll 100% accept 15% of nothing ... I'm sure Locke see it this way!

 

[BEISHA]

So, you agree with me that Dathcom did in fact relinquish the north enacted by the first MoM decree and that this event was based on the waiver. Otherwise, the new decree could not have nullified said relinquishment. The key thing to remember is that it wasn’t the original decree that gave the legal basis for the relinquishment under the mining code. It was the waiver itself.

Therefore, how exactly that waiver came to be is extremely pertinent to what surviving legal effect it has imo

AVZ’s comments as to what was happening with the north in the May 4th 2022 Ministerial Decree announcement was the first document available to the mushrooms that shed light on this matter. You know, the one when they also dropped the goss about Zijin and Dathomir for the first time but we still traded for 3 days after that news hit the market until the weekend when Nigel resigned from AJN’s board and it was only then that we went into suspension. Management says very clearly in that official announcement that the non good powder mica infested north is to be ‘renewed’ by Dathcom under a PR.

There is no mention of anything resembling ‘AVZ has the digital scan copy of document where the "properties" of software file shows "creation date" & "modified date" and the box is "not checked". This forensic analysis is to authenticate document is tamper proof for ICSID’ or of death threats against Balthazar because neither of those things ever happened otherwise AVZ failed to disclose them to shareholders in the announcement and bizarrely played along with this purported illegal behaviour by talking of a renewal.

The mining code is extremely clear as to what happens when a waiver is submitted. The relinquished area is meant to go back to the state and a new tender process begins for it. That is why AJN applied. Now clearly the DRC government haven’t followed the mining code at pretty much every stage of this process and have subsequently gone on to completely make up whatever they want so I am in no way suggesting that they are innocent in this matter but the legal effect of the waiver still remains.

Nigel’s letter to the MoM appealing the rescinding of the two original decrees by the two new decrees (note the plurals) that acts as the basis for our entire case at the ICSID under the mining code also makes no mention of skulduggery and argues that the granted split must still be enforced as part of the ‘survival of Dathcom’s acquired rights’. Although AVZ has since changed their tune on this matter in official announcements after ‘taking advice’ to reflect your current argument about the decree legally returning (because it was relinquished lol) the north to Dathcom and the company currently being an applicant for the entirety of PE13559. Which I agree with for the effect of the decrees but once again for the haters, it wasn’t the MoM’s decree that was the basis for the relinquishment under the mining code, it was the waiver.

So, if the waiver wasn’t photoshopped or done under duress then it was submitted by free will by Dathcom under the false pretence of the north being automatically given back to Dathcom under a renewal. This guarantee was obviously given by mon ami Mupande as hinted by Nigel at the 2022 AGM when he was asked ‘issue that mines director said we hadn’t done the work on the northern tenement area, and shouldn’t get the north? and he replied ‘That’s not within the mining code. So, 13359 should be retained in its entirety. However, the northern area may need to come under a separate exploration tenement, even though that’s not the established process’. But what AVZ likely verbally agreed to is extremely different to what the legal effect of submitting a waiver is under the mining code.

Also, there is no mention at all in decree 00032 (not 00031 you have them the wrong way around) about ‘unrealised promises and false pretence’. The reasoning given in 00032 was ‘the appeal of Cominiere in its letter referenced December 7 AND that the partial waiver of 13359 by the company Dathcom (HINT HINT) was made in defiance of the opinion of the minority shareholders of this company and causes continuing tensions between them’.

Now normally I would provide all of the documents supporting my case but I’ve already posted them on this forum numerous times. Perhaps someone can cOpY aNd PaStE them from one of the literally hundreds of posts I have done here where I explain the various issues faced by AVZ in my own words often times before the company decided to change its mates club policy to disclosure and inform its shareholders regarding contentious matters lmfao

The main reason I have been so brash in this assessment about the north is because I want someone to prove me wrong. There have been numerous times I have been wrong and unlike others around here I will always put my hand up and admit it if it is proven using source documents and legislation. The defining rebuttal of this argument if it exists could be used to rub the noses of AVZ’s adversaries in the fact they have no claims to the north and I personally think that would be really handy to have if available to post on the key decision makers social media accounts rather than aggressively pushing, without evidence, deranged conspiracy theories that contradict each other as well as reality.

Because I have tried to prove their claims about the north wrong myself. But unfortunately, the only conclusion that can be deduced from documents available to the public imo is that, and it absolutely pains me to say it because he is a corrupt scumbag, Jabba the Hutette's sugar daddy is absolutely correct with what he says regarding the north in the following tweets.

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Hi Carlos

Mate, you are one smart cookie, way above my pay grade, but correct me if i am wrong , the "waiver of the north " is a grey area, you admitted yourself in the past that you couldnt find any defining docs that confirmed that AVZ BOD had in fact waived that off, Nigel has been vague on the topic too.........on one hand he said " who cares, full of MICA " to........" nope, i didnt waive it, we were tricked "

So , i dont think we can really comment about the north with any great fact, because its as vague as fuck in my opinion

It was a great shame that there wasnt any " question time " at the previous AGM, because it would of been a good opportunity to explore that subject matter at greater depth.

BTW, anything that comes out of MUPANDE gob should be completely ignored, cause he is a corrupt, traitorous arse hole...

imo

 

[Jazz]

If shares are not able to be traded on market because AVZ is delisted, the only way anyone can TO is if a large percentage of shares are acquired via off market transfers. A takeover won't happen IMHO.

Don't forget the dark side has all our contact details, recall the little green flyer we all got last year.

 

[Cumquat Cap]

If shares are not able to be traded on market because AVZ is delisted, the only way anyone can TO is if a large percentage of shares are acquired via off market transfers. A takeover won't happen IMHO.

Haha, never heard this take before.

Completely incorrect, you don’t think other unlisted companies have been taken over before. Avz interest in Dathcom cbs easily be taken over, pending approval from majority of shareholders.

 

[Samus]

I don't know much of anything about it but one would assume companies don't get taken over when all of their assets have been stolen by the host country and Chinese regardless of if they're listed or not.

We need funding and a lot of perseverance as the nightmare continues...
It's very depressing being stuck here with you lot but we'll have to settle in to it for quite some time imo. Provided the former best BOD of the asx can secure enough funding for years of incredibly inefficient and expensive legal bullshit.

And we can argue until we're blue in the face about the North too but that is quite irrelevant when the whole thing is stolen and those original boundaries have been changed anyway.
The overwhelming issue seems to be that any documentation that comes out of the DRC, whether it's from some lowly official to the highest court in the land is about sufficient to print out and use it to wipe your ass with.
We actually have to undo multiple questionable court decisions that have come out of the DRC to progress with anything as far as we know.

The one and only thing that has been made abundantly clear is that the DRC is rife with corruption from the ground up and so the only remaining hope and course of action is to follow through with ICC and ICSID cases until the end imo. Everything else is bullshit and subject to grey areas and misinterpretation because anything that's come out of the DRC judicial system is tainted. But at the same time these are their laws and fucked up legal system which they'll follow until and unless there is massive reform or immense external pressure.

Management aren't forthcoming with anything, which might be a good strategy. It's certainly a good strategy to cover their own ass for any liability.
In my view the whole thing is fucked and it's almost torturous hanging on to this thin shred of hope that keeps the shit show ticking over.
That might not be an over optimistic view, but if this all does go to shit I'd rather be one of the realistic ones than the ones touting how everything is wonderful up until the company crash and burns and be mentally prepared to accept the losses.

 

[BEISHA]

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I know i keep banging on about FT , but how on earth has he allowed all this to happen under his watch ?

I mean , i understand that China pretty much rules DRC, but if eradication of corruption was FT mandate, the proverbial " dropped the ball " quotation barely scratches the surface based on the above summary of events!

IGF report ignored, Cominiere actions ignored, creation of Manono lithium Sas ignored, Zijin currently illegally drilling CDL with multiple rig operation , ignored.

At the very least, why hasnt FT ordered all illegal activities to cease until ICC / ICSID forms its conclusions ?

Or even better, why didnt FT summon AVZ BOD to the round table ages ago to discuss the MOU and a path forward to avoid lengthy arbitration deliberations that had multiple consequences, punitive financial damages, further destruction of reputation globally within the mining investment sector, massive delay to his pillar ambition ..........LITHIUM HUB which would create thousands of jobs and boost the DRC balance sheet exponentially.


Lets hope the " wait a while " newly formed Govt, lead by 75% majority FT ( ) gets a brain and a spine and puts a end to this insanity !

Rant over..........again

imo

 

[RHyNO]

Tommy you wouldnt have a clue - Heads of State have private conversations and there is allot of behind the scenes stuff going on.

Rather than contribute to the speculation why not wait for the ICC and the ICSID to rule.

Regards,

SilentOne

Oh man another boomer up my ass!! Yay. Mate you don’t know anything more than what is in the announcement. You know it and I know it. I appreciate the hopium that world governments are all chatting away behind the scenes about our situation. But mate provide evidence!!!! Why wouldn’t they mention it in an announcement? “ we are in discussions with representatives from US and AU and are using their support to provide avenues for resolution”. You’re tripping ass if you think I believe for a second you know something I don’t but you can’t share it because your so deep in the negotiations it would be insider trading! LOL we are delisted and in suspension and there has been crickets from management but somehow the great silent one has an inside track that only a select few a privy to! Get off it!!!

 

[Jazz]

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I have made some direct enquires to clarify what has inspired this article. Will update if i get anything useful.

 

[robface]

I have made some direct enquires to clarify what has inspired this article. Will update if i get anything useful.

Did you not see the author?

 

[Jazz]

Did you not see the author?

Yes, that's who I'm trying to get details from.