AVZ Discussion 2022

[Scoota30]

Really sounds like we are getting close to a resolution now. The ICC emergency injunctions are helping out a lot here and cannot be understated.

If the MoU still isn't sorted by the end of January and the ICC rules in favour of us against Zijin and then again against Dathomir, the DRC government really have no reason or excuse to continue this shitshow. They will have no case whatsoever against us at ICSID and will completely fuckup everything for themselves.

The recent announcements have been great at countering this MMGA falsehood. Keep them coming - next thing i want to see is this evidence of all the detractors being in cahoots!

Goes to show how well the BoD have managed this over the years, just been heartache for us SH's being held in the dark, but now seeing all of the info come to light, it was imperrative that they held it in.

Edit - would love to start seeing some more public backing from either our Aus embassy or some form of Aus government, even perhaps the US or someone to take a stand now and publicly discuss this issue because all of the dirty laundry is now being aired.

 

[Spikerama]

Thanks for posting that TC. Now that AVZ has provided that additional information here you can bet there will still be those shareholders who won’t even read it and will be whining again in a week or month or whenever that AVZ hasn’t communicated with shareholders.

AVZ has provided so much information to shareholders since we went into suspension that anyone who actually read it all should understood what and why information has and hasn’t been disclosed previously

As far as everyone sending the MMGA email with their proposal to spam or the bin, I opened it up, read it and made dot points of all the lies and misinformation in it to use against them

The problem is mate, AVZ have a communication problem.
They are shit at it. And I'm not talking about the obvious "lack of" problem.

Let me elaborate.

If you look at MMGA and how they have presented their argument they have done a very good at coming across as professional and well reasoned despite what we informed shareholders know about them. Their website is slick. Their mail-outs are on brand and every bit of comms is cohesive and instantly recognisable when you see it. There is a personality there. (even though we know the personalities behind the media are nefarious ).

Additionally, the information presented is easily digested in small packages within the website or mail-outs. It's "snackable" as we say, so you don't get lost in any verbose, boring, mumbo jumbo. Very easy to scan and get the gist. Plus they do it all without personal attack or being abusive or swearing.

Now let's hop over to how AVZ do it, which is basically me copying and pasting from the above paragraph. Verbose, boring, mumbo jumbo. Basically a big TLDR every time. And yes, yes ,yes, I do get it. They need to do things this way as a requirement to shareholders but they could've also added to these releases and take a leaf out of the most basic advertising principles manual which is have a personality and keep it simple because most people don't have the bandwidth to do their own shit in the daily let alone digest reams of verbose, boring, mumbo jumbo. Especially when it looks like it has the personality of a dial tone.

I've offered to help Nigel before, via proxy and never heard a sniff back so I don't know how to solve it but what I do know is if I was an uninitiated Shareholder, who's not across the entire saga and I was trying to make sense of why I can't access my money and I get the choice of "apparently" clear, concise, visually appealing solution on a way forward > up against multi-paged A4 announcements which seems too much to understand, with no brand or personality and a bunch of potty mouthed, ALL CAPS twitter warriors seemingly aligning with them... I know which side I identify with.

AVZ really need to get with the program on comms. They've had two years to work on this and still to this day all we get is a bloody green chameleon as an offering of top notch graphics.

*as a side note I think I've worked out who is behind MMGA. Take a look at Tantalex website. Notice any similarities?

 

[Winenut]

The problem is mate, AVZ have a communication problem.
They are shit at it. And I'm not talking about the obvious "lack of" problem.

Let me elaborate.

If you look at MMGA and how they have presented their argument they have done a very good at coming across as professional and well reasoned despite what we informed shareholders know about them. Their website is slick. Their mail-outs are on brand and every bit of comms is cohesive and instantly recognisable when you see it. There is a personality there. (even though we know the personalities behind the media are nefarious ).

Additionally, the information presented is easily digested in small packages within the website or mail-outs. It's "snackable" as we say, so you don't get lost in any verbose, boring, mumbo jumbo. Very easy to scan and get the gist. Plus they do it all without personal attack or being abusive or swearing.

Now let's hop over to how AVZ do it, which is basically me copying and pasting from the above paragraph. Verbose, boring, mumbo jumbo. Basically a big TLDR every time. And yes, yes ,yes, I do get it. They need to do things this way as a requirement to shareholders but they could've also added to these releases and take a leaf out of the most basic advertising principles manual which is have a personality and keep it simple because most people don't have the bandwidth to do their own shit in the daily let alone digest reams of verbose, boring, mumbo jumbo. Especially when it looks like it has the personality of a dial tone.

I've offered to help Nigel before, via proxy and never heard a sniff back so I don't know how to solve it but what I do know is if I was an uninitiated Shareholder, who's not across the entire saga and I was trying to make sense of why I can't access my money and I get the choice of "apparently" clear, concise, visually appealing solution on a way forward > up against multi-paged A4 announcements which seems too much to understand, with no brand or personality and a bunch of potty mouthed, ALL CAPS twitter warriors seemingly aligning with them... I know which side I identify with.

AVZ really need to get with the program on comms. They've had two years to work on this and still to this day all we get is a bloody green chameleon in terms of top notch graphics.

*as a side note I think I've worked out who is behind MMGA. Take a look at Tantalex website. Notice any similarities?

"*as a side note I think I've worked out who is behind MMGA. Take a look at Tantalex website. Notice any similarities"?

The resemblance is uncanny...

 

[BigA]

I can’t help but get the feeling that a resolution to this shit show all hinges on the outcome of the upcoming AGM. If the current board retain their position and MMGA are fucked off completely, then a deal will quickly follow. God I hope so…

My reasoning is this will confirm that the current BOD won’t let this go and will win at ICC and ICSID, where as in the horrible event that MMGA get control they will sell us out. A position well articulated by other members!

So in summary let’s just hope the current BOD retain their positions as I feel it’s our only chance of an equitable resolution….

Shoutout to all the good people on this forum providing so much valuable info…I rarely post but certainly have followed daily since this thread started

 

[solo]

*as a side note I think I've worked out who is behind MMGA. Take a look at Tantalex website. Notice any similarities?

Nah.. two completely different technologies in use on 2 websites. Tantalex is on Wordpress, MMGA is on Squarespace

TANTALEXLITHIUM.COM Technology Profile on BuiltWith

Web technologies TANTALEXLITHIUM.COM is using on their website.

builtwith.com

MAKEMANONOGREATAGAIN.COM Technology Profile on BuiltWith

Web technologies MAKEMANONOGREATAGAIN.COM is using on their website.

builtwith.com

 

[Scoota30]

"*as a side note I think I've worked out who is behind MMGA. Take a look at Tantalex website. Notice any similarities"?

The resemblance is uncanny...

Hahaha fuck good pickup @Spikerama - they didn't even try to hide it. WOW.

 

[Spikerama]

Nah.. two completely different technologies in use on 2 websites. Tantalex is on Wordpress, MMGA is on Squarespace

TANTALEXLITHIUM.COM Technology Profile on BuiltWith

Web technologies TANTALEXLITHIUM.COM is using on their website.

builtwith.com

MAKEMANONOGREATAGAIN.COM Technology Profile on BuiltWith

Web technologies MAKEMANONOGREATAGAIN.COM is using on their website.

builtwith.com

That doesn't matter. I could be that Tantalex built their site ages ago on WP but now squarespace is hot. Easy choice to make.

The backend is not the point. It's the overall brand feel and tone.

Go have a look at the Tantalex posters and standees at the DRC Mining week or whatever it was where CCK did a Kanye West. You can see some around from memory. I didn't tweak at the time but now that I think of it...

 

[BRICK]

Nah.. two completely different technologies in use on 2 websites. Tantalex is on Wordpress, MMGA is on Squarespace

TANTALEXLITHIUM.COM Technology Profile on BuiltWith

Web technologies TANTALEXLITHIUM.COM is using on their website.

builtwith.com

MAKEMANONOGREATAGAIN.COM Technology Profile on BuiltWith

Web technologies MAKEMANONOGREATAGAIN.COM is using on their website.

builtwith.com

Well the MMGA clones usually just rip off every idea they come across anyway

MAGA
TANTALX WEBSITE
AVZ COMMUNICATIONS

 

[BRICK]

That doesn't matter. I could be that Tantalex built their site ages ago on WP but now squarespace is hot. Easy choice to make.

The backend is not the point. It's the overall brand feel and tone.

Go have a look at the Tantalex posters and standees at the DRC Mining week or whatever it was where CCK did a Kanye West. You can see some around from memory. I didn't tweak at the time but now that I think of it...

off to twitter we go....

 

[Gmailuser]

The problem is mate, AVZ have a communication problem.
They are shit at it. And I'm not talking about the obvious "lack of" problem.

Let me elaborate.

If you look at MMGA and how they have presented their argument they have done a very good at coming across as professional and well reasoned despite what we informed shareholders know about them. Their website is slick. Their mail-outs are on brand and every bit of comms is cohesive and instantly recognisable when you see it. There is a personality there. (even though we know the personalities behind the media are nefarious ).

Additionally, the information presented is easily digested in small packages within the website or mail-outs. It's "snackable" as we say, so you don't get lost in any verbose, boring, mumbo jumbo. Very easy to scan and get the gist. Plus they do it all without personal attack or being abusive or swearing.

Now let's hop over to how AVZ do it, which is basically me copying and pasting from the above paragraph. Verbose, boring, mumbo jumbo. Basically a big TLDR every time. And yes, yes ,yes, I do get it. They need to do things this way as a requirement to shareholders but they could've also added to these releases and take a leaf out of the most basic advertising principles manual which is have a personality and keep it simple because most people don't have the bandwidth to do their own shit in the daily let alone digest reams of verbose, boring, mumbo jumbo. Especially when it looks like it has the personality of a dial tone.

I've offered to help Nigel before, via proxy and never heard a sniff back so I don't know how to solve it but what I do know is if I was an uninitiated Shareholder, who's not across the entire saga and I was trying to make sense of why I can't access my money and I get the choice of "apparently" clear, concise, visually appealing solution on a way forward > up against multi-paged A4 announcements which seems too much to understand, with no brand or personality and a bunch of potty mouthed, ALL CAPS twitter warriors seemingly aligning with them... I know which side I identify with.

AVZ really need to get with the program on comms. They've had two years to work on this and still to this day all we get is a bloody green chameleon as an offering of top notch graphics.

*as a side note I think I've worked out who is behind MMGA. Take a look at Tantalex website. Notice any similarities?

Spike,

My thoughts are that what the BoDs have provided in today’s release is exactly what everyone has been crying out for over and over again, what has happened, when, how, and why, so whilst I understand your view I feel that potentially the criticism is a little harsh. It provides full detail which I am very happy to receive as a SH.

As others have pointed out it also illustrates full communication by the BoD, and the need for the current legal actions, thus putting a further nail in the coffin of the bid by the other crowd.

 

[Dave Evans]

The problem is mate, AVZ have a communication problem.
They are shit at it. And I'm not talking about the obvious "lack of" problem.

Let me elaborate.

If you look at MMGA and how they have presented their argument they have done a very good at coming across as professional and well reasoned despite what we informed shareholders know about them. Their website is slick. Their mail-outs are on brand and every bit of comms is cohesive and instantly recognisable when you see it. There is a personality there. (even though we know the personalities behind the media are nefarious ).

Additionally, the information presented is easily digested in small packages within the website or mail-outs. It's "snackable" as we say, so you don't get lost in any verbose, boring, mumbo jumbo. Very easy to scan and get the gist. Plus they do it all without personal attack or being abusive or swearing.

Now let's hop over to how AVZ do it, which is basically me copying and pasting from the above paragraph. Verbose, boring, mumbo jumbo. Basically a big TLDR every time. And yes, yes ,yes, I do get it. They need to do things this way as a requirement to shareholders but they could've also added to these releases and take a leaf out of the most basic advertising principles manual which is have a personality and keep it simple because most people don't have the bandwidth to do their own shit in the daily let alone digest reams of verbose, boring, mumbo jumbo. Especially when it looks like it has the personality of a dial tone.

I've offered to help Nigel before, via proxy and never heard a sniff back so I don't know how to solve it but what I do know is if I was an uninitiated Shareholder, who's not across the entire saga and I was trying to make sense of why I can't access my money and I get the choice of "apparently" clear, concise, visually appealing solution on a way forward > up against multi-paged A4 announcements which seems too much to understand, with no brand or personality and a bunch of potty mouthed, ALL CAPS twitter warriors seemingly aligning with them... I know which side I identify with.

AVZ really need to get with the program on comms. They've had two years to work on this and still to this day all we get is a bloody green chameleon as an offering of top notch graphics.

*as a side note I think I've worked out who is behind MMGA. Take a look at Tantalex website. Notice any similarities?

I always liked AVZ’s presentations. They were simple to read and looked impressive to me (who can forget the picture of Manono against all the other lithium projects) but I think from memory you weren’t a great fan of them either.

As far as our announcements, most company’s announcements are in the same format, and AVZ has had to deal with so many legal issues and corruption that their announcements appear more like a piece of legislation.

I used to have to wade through legislation myself so I find AVZ’s announcements quite easy by comparison, even if I have to read them two or three times. I guess we are lucky we have @Carlos Danger here who does a lot of the work for us

As far as the advertising, Eric Allard has had his corrupt dirty nose in Manono for a long time so no surprise if MMGA are using the same advertising agent, and I wouldn’t be surprised if Ludbrook is involved in that and making a lot of money for himself out of it. Did you notice how Allard was photographed in front of the AVZ stand (not the Tantalex stand) at the Battery Metals Forum

Unfortunately not all AVZ Announcements can look like this

 

[Spikerama]

Spike,

My thoughts are that what the BoDs have provided in today’s release is exactly what everyone has been crying out for over and over again, what has happened, when, how, and why, so whilst I understand your view I feel that potentially the criticism is a little harsh. It provides full detail which I am very happy to receive as a SH.

As others have pointed out it also illustrates full communication by the BoD, and the need for the current legal actions, thus putting a further nail in the coffin of the bid by the other crowd.

Yep totally agree with that but the fact that Dave Evans, who is across the intricate language of legal-ese has to read them 2 or 3 times to fully
understand them says a lot.

Regardless, I wasn't specifically calling out this announcement as I do understand these announcements need to be the way they are. I was merely using it as a catalyst to highlight a bugbear and indeed a chronic issue which has become clear weakness now that we have competitors.

 

[Carlos Danger]

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Like I said I have zero doubt AVZ completed the SPA's correctly

What Cong is doing is extortion motivated by, as AVZ describes so perfectly, seller's remorse

However if it's a choice of ongoing suspension or just give this dipshit more cash / shares then sure management have my support to get a settlement done but AVZ are 100% correct in these matters and will absolutely fucking crush Cong at the ICC if need be

 

[Winenut]

Yep totally agree with that but the fact that Dave Evans, who is across the intricate language of legal-ese has to read them 2 or 3 times to fully
understand them says a lot.

Regardless, I wasn't specifically calling out this announcement as I do understand these announcements need to be the way they are. I was merely using it as a catalyst to highlight a bugbear and indeed a chronic issue which has become clear weakness now that we have competitors.

Apply for the AVZ PR/media job Spike.....I'll back you in!

 

[Carlos Danger]

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They're not sending their best

 

[TheCount]

Like I said I have zero doubt AVZ completed the SPA's correctly

What Cong is doing is extortion motivated by, as AVZ describes so perfectly, seller's remorse

However if it's a choice of ongoing suspension or just give this dipshit more cash / shares then sure management have my support to get a settlement done but AVZ are 100% correct in these matters and will absolutely fucking crush Cong at the ICC if need be

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I don't think I had the full appreciation of your earlier post (of the same graphic) until I read today's announcement. Thank you for the high level of information you keep producing.

TC.

 

[wombat74]

"AVZ has previously sought to commence settlement negotiations with Dathomir, which would have involved an increase in the purchase price payable to Dathomir for the 15% of shares in Dathcom"

So we have already been down this path . Does this suggest Dathomir /Cong are no longer interested ?

 

[Spikerama]

Apply for the AVZ PR/media job Spike.....I'll back you in!

Mate It's clear to me now, that there is no such thing. BUt I'll take the noms regardless.

Thanks!

 

[wombat74]

They're not sending their best
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More stalling .

 

[Pokok]

So for so many shareholders , like myself , we read all posts and can be a little confused but does anybody think this will be resolved at the ATM so we can start trading to release all or some of our investment or do we wait til mid next year as I am thinking , would like to hear other holders thinking ?