AVZ Discussion 2022

[BEISHA]

Hey Scoota once again i agree totally with your thoughts here. I think is unlikely Nigel will roll over and will take this all the way if he has to. To this point pretty much everything thrown at us involves corruption and bribery driven iam sure by the deep pockets of the Chinese and there total disregard for the rule of law. In saying that these guys while being totally devoid of ethics or conscience are no doubt smart fuckers and are only to aware that even if they do get hold of our tenement they will have Nigel and a bunch of angry shareholders on their tail for however long it takes. The only way to avoid this situation is to gain control of AVZ hence the Chinese backed MMGA clowns all out bid for board control. I believe that pretty much everything to date has been leading to this and we are and will continue to be inundated with all sorts of bullshit before the AGM in a bid to sway shareholders to the dark side
Now is definately not the time to falter and in fact as these corrupt kunts are doing we need to go full on to make sure every shareholder is fully aware of the real story. Fuck Zijin Cominiere CKK Cong Tommy Lars etc etc

You give the chinese a inch, they will take a mile.

The time to make a stance was when Felix received the IGF report, that should of been the trigger to make the picture frame clear to Cominiere / Zijin that the corrupt practices of yesterday was not appreciated in the now.

Didnt happen, now Zijin / Cominiere / Cong etc are taking further liberties providing further rough shod, due to severe weakness from the head honcho.

AVZ had been left out to dry and fight a battle that they should never of had to, if only the IGF report was respected, AVZ was respected for what they found when no one else was willing and DRC law respected.

Sad.

imo

 

[BRICK]

Looks like the cuntz have removed the logo from the YouTube clip already???

 

[Sammy_da_Smile]

Watch the shifty cunt scratch his nose at 11:57 when disussing what would happen to the northern section and who it would go to

Lying shifty dodgy fucking body language 101

If these guys get in, us shareholders will end up with nothing and they'll walk out with millions in brown paper bags.

Everyone here should realise if MMGA get on the board we are so so screwed. They will sell it off for the lowest possible price and then walk out with millions from Zijin on the side. These guys aren't here to save the day for us shareholders. They are simply using that narrative to get the biggest pay day ever for themselves and Zijin.

Think about it, all this campaigning online, the green flyers etc what is really in it for MMGA?

Have faith in Nigel and BoD, they will come through for us.

 

[obe wan]

My goodness what a complete dud Carrick is…. FFS I didn’t know he was actually on our side

Can anyone imagine him in arbitration, his closing statement would be like porky pig saying abee abee abee that’s all folks…. at least we know we have a secret weapon in their ranks

Started off admitting Fat Tail only has a small number of shares in AVZ, couldn’t answer his own lie of how Nigel got a meeting with Tshisekedi immediately after the MMGA maggots propaganda message kept referring to tommy turd and the AFR who are known for putting out deceptive and misleading articles, had no idea about the contracts or money paid to Dathomir but kept acknowledging AVZ’s 75% interest in Dathcom, acknowledged Dathomir’s apparent reneging on the contract but can’t understand why we can’t get on with Dathomir or Cominiere (after they illegally sold off 15% of the project) on top of which, we had the ‘right of first refusal’….

Then says “that’s why we have been nominated” (rather than “we nominated ourselves on behalf of Simon Cong, Guy Loando and other Chinese interests) then says “We are not interested in the fairness of it” and further goes on to say “You know, we have no vested interest in the dispute”

@Winenut I love the satellite views of the tenement, and as I’m sure you know, that new partition of the northern section includes an area we have drilled and received assays for, so clearly illegal trying to steal that section

Agree , the bloke’s a farkn creep ; Might as well be listening to LaRdrank or one of those clowns on Twitter that only pick out the points they want to make.

Just by listening to the dribble that comes out of him mouth you can tell he’ll slice and dice and sell the farm and shaft all AVZ shareholders in the process whilst taking his payback on each slice .

It would have been great to of had someone that could have asked some coal face questions during that one way interview ; fuckwit wouldn’t be able to look you in the eye I’d say

 

[BEISHA]

Ahhh our young Geo the subtle troll.
Will either be wrong 999 times and correct once or wrong 1000 times. Time will tell

I hope he is right once where it really counts....

The track record of others are not exactly on point either to be fair....

18 months in the manure and the list of shit fuckery continues..

 

[9cardomaha]

My original intel was a split for 152... never shared (publicly) because it wasn't substantiated and a whole lot of plot holes in the content.

With the update to CAMI, not sure who the fuck Manono Lithium are, but trying to find out. It would make sense if it is ZJ + Cominiere under a 60/40 split. I recall in July they set up some shady fucking company, will double check to see if i have the registry stuff on the company.

Again don't board the hysteria train, most of this is operated under Cominiere's dumbass presumption that 13359 has been returned in full to them because of 'unharmonious relations' stated in 000031. This is not a fucking reason to terminate PR and the base arguement for ICSID. Every lawyer friend i've spoken to believes ICSID case is fucking game over red rover for DRC because, its a fucking weak ass argument and its not part of the DRC mining code (not that law and order mean jack shit in the DRC).

When parties engage in business with different core understandings and presumptions of ownership, but one has snacks and brown paper bags to throw around, they're going to do what corrupt fucks do. AVZ holding its positions at ICC and ICSID to push for a clean slate and clarity on the matter from a third party or at least a neutral party is imperative.

MMGA's fucking statements about ICC and these litigations being useless is fucking looney toons material and not the good kind, Space Jam 3 type of dog shit.

 

[timb89]

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My original intel was a split for 152... never shared because it wasn't substantiated and a whole lot of plot holes in the content.

With the update to CAMI, not sure who the fuck Manono Lithium are, but trying to find out. It would make sense if it is ZJ + Cominiere under a 60/40 split. I recall in July they set up some shady fucking company, will double check to see if i have the registry stuff on the company.

Again don't board the hysteria train, most of this is operated under Cominiere's dumbass presumption that 13359 has been returned in full to them because of 'unharmonious relations' stated in 000031. This is not a fucking reason to terminate PR and the base arguement for ICSID. Every lawyer friend i've spoken to believes ICSID case is fucking game over red rover for DRC because, its a fucking weak ass argument and its not part of the DRC mining code (not that law and order mean jack shit in the DRC).

When parties engage in business with different core understandings and presumptions of ownership, but one has snacks and brown paper bags to throw around, they're going to do what corrupt fucks do. AVZ holding its positions at ICC and ICSID to push for a clean slate and clarity on the matter from a third party or at least a neutral party is imperative.

MMGA's fucking statements about ICC and these litigations being useless is fucking looney toons material and not the good kind, Space Jam 3 type of dog shit.

Any speculation if/how AVZ are compensated for this?

 

[Azzler]

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My original intel was a split for 152... never shared because it wasn't substantiated and a whole lot of plot holes in the content.

With the update to CAMI, not sure who the fuck Manono Lithium are, but trying to find out. It would make sense if it is ZJ + Cominiere under a 60/40 split. I recall in July they set up some shady fucking company, will double check to see if i have the registry stuff on the company.

Again don't board the hysteria train, most of this is operated under Cominiere's dumbass presumption that 13359 has been returned in full to them because of 'unharmonious relations' stated in 000031. This is not a fucking reason to terminate PR and the base arguement for ICSID. Every lawyer friend i've spoken to believes ICSID case is fucking game over red rover for DRC because, its a fucking weak ass argument and its not part of the DRC mining code (not that law and order mean jack shit in the DRC).

When parties engage in business with different core understandings and presumptions of ownership, but one has snacks and brown paper bags to throw around, they're going to do what corrupt fucks do. AVZ holding its positions at ICC and ICSID to push for a clean slate and clarity on the matter from a third party or at least a neutral party is imperative.

MMGA's fucking statements about ICC and these litigations being useless is fucking looney toons material and not the good kind, Space Jam 3 type of dog shit.

"AVZ holding its positions at ICC and ICSID to push for a clean slate and clarity on the matter from a third party or at least a neutral party is imperative."

Indeed @9cardomaha

I'm starting to get a feeling of what their play might be.

We get offered some bullshit deal, which has all been orchestrated with MMGA.
MMGA make a statement claiming to either vote for them to get in and accept this shit deal, or go with Nigel and ICSID and wait years.
It's going to be made out that we don't have a choice, and in this circumstance I can imagine shareholders may conceed to the bullshit deal.

Indeed no one wants to wait years but as you say 9card, and I believe too, the DRC can not and will not let this go to ICSID, it will just be a bluff.
Question is will shareholders hold their ground?

Just speculation, because it appears like that's what's being set up for us at this moment.

Snakes!

 

[Remark]

Wasting time???!!

Everybody here is equal Mr Nut although some here think that they are more equal than others. Holier than thou syndrome much?

 

[RHyNO]

Wasting time???!!

Dude. I’m more into your Avz tales than any streaming service. Don’t stop the good work. It’s a beautiful bit of creativity that we all enjoy. You waste nothing.

 

[TDITD]

Any speculation if/how AVZ are compensated for this?

$16USD and a cap

 

[JAG]

Watch our interview with Michael Carrick, a nominated director for the board of AVZ Minerals. He discusses concerns with the company as part of the Make Manono Great Again initiative
@MMGACIC
Watch here: https://youtu.be/GxCxJ0RWZHg

 

[JAG]

Get your Fn arses off the couch, get on twitter and Fn pay these cnts back!!!!!

 

[cruiser51]

$16USD and a cap

I'll take the US$16, they can stick the fukkin Zijin cap in their dark place where the sun doesn't shine.

 

[Winenut]

I'll take the US$16, they can stick the fukkin Zijin cap in their dark place where the sun doesn't shine.

I think it would be an AVZ cap for every shareholder

At the moment these things are priceless so I'm concerned about dilution if they make more.....

 

[Mr Inappropriate]

For my 2c,

I always see the amount of shitfuckery as somewhat proportionate reaction to how actual discussions are progressing.
The more things gradually move in our favour, the harder the snakes have to work to try and make it look like it's going in the other direction.

So while the fact we are always left out from actual details makes the current portal updates concerning, I see all this (Mpinga, MMGA, Cami portal) as a visible negative reaction that what is hopefully invisible positive progress.

Lets remember that while we haven't moved very far in 18 months:
- Neither have zijin, despite their best efforts they have rescinded (sort of) their 15% claim and things not looking good for them at arbitration
- Cominiere management got booted. Yes new management not much better but still getting rid of JFM is a big roadblock removed.
- AVZ 'case' now being handled by Department (ministry?) of Justice rather than Ministry of Mines
- We have confirmation that NF has ACTUALLY met with FT. Not just vague references to 'discussions with high-level government'
- We have had confirmation of embassy support and involvement
- We have had recent confirmation of an MoU, an actual tangible step forwards
- On top of the lithium we will have extra revenue from 'The tale of AVZ' when it gets released in cinema

And this is just from the bits we actually get to see. Most of our progress is confidential.
Despite their best efforts, the snakes may have stalled things but they have not made any progress in stealing anything. It looked like maybe they did when the tenement was split, but even that's been undone now.

I think we are getting close to a conclusion with all this, and I'm optimistic.
Remember - DRC gains NOTHING from letting zijin steal the project. The best outcome for DRC is still for AVZ/CATH to become the shining beacon for a new era of win-win* development in Manono, and that show's DRC can be a good destination for international investment.

(*the 'win-win' where both parties get a win. Not the Chinese version where they take 2-wins and the other party nothing)

Excellent post @JNRB.

I‘d differently characterise the statement about the DRC getting nothing if #FuckZijin steal the project. It has never been about what the DRC gets out of it. It has always been what those with statutory decision-making authority can get out of it for themselves. Cunts like #FuckZijin with no morals perpetuate the status quo through their illegal and immoral dealings. Benefit to the DRC is a distant consideration, sadly.

 

[TDITD]

I'll take the US$16, they can stick the fukkin Zijin cap in their dark place where the sun doesn't shine.

I'd gladly take the cap, at $16USD my wife wouldn't divorce me for the elaborate sacrificial ceremony I would hold for the #FuckZijin cap

 

[Carlos Danger]

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My original intel was a split for 152... never shared (publicly) because it wasn't substantiated and a whole lot of plot holes in the content.

With the update to CAMI, not sure who the fuck Manono Lithium are, but trying to find out. It would make sense if it is ZJ + Cominiere under a 60/40 split. I recall in July they set up some shady fucking company, will double check to see if i have the registry stuff on the company.

Again don't board the hysteria train, most of this is operated under Cominiere's dumbass presumption that 13359 has been returned in full to them because of 'unharmonious relations' stated in 000031. This is not a fucking reason to terminate PR and the base arguement for ICSID. Every lawyer friend i've spoken to believes ICSID case is fucking game over red rover for DRC because, its a fucking weak ass argument and its not part of the DRC mining code (not that law and order mean jack shit in the DRC).

When parties engage in business with different core understandings and presumptions of ownership, but one has snacks and brown paper bags to throw around, they're going to do what corrupt fucks do. AVZ holding its positions at ICC and ICSID to push for a clean slate and clarity on the matter from a third party or at least a neutral party is imperative.

MMGA's fucking statements about ICC and these litigations being useless is fucking looney toons material and not the good kind, Space Jam 3 type of dog shit.

Any speculation if/how AVZ are compensated for this?

"AVZ holding its positions at ICC and ICSID to push for a clean slate and clarity on the matter from a third party or at least a neutral party is imperative."

Indeed @9cardomaha

I'm starting to get a feeling of what their play might be.

We get offered some bullshit deal, which has all been orchestrated with MMGA.
MMGA make a statement claiming to either vote for them to get in and accept this shit deal, or go with Nigel and ICSID and wait years.
It's going to be made out that we don't have a choice, and in this circumstance I can imagine shareholders may conceed to the bullshit deal.

Indeed no one wants to wait years but as you say 9card, and I believe too, the DRC can not and will not let this go to ICSID, it will just be a bluff.
Question is will shareholders hold their ground?

Just speculation, because it appears like that's what's being set up for us at this moment.

Snakes!

Do you have any intel on what that means for the south?

Which of the 'various remedies' that AVZ are seeking at the ICSID do your lawyer friends think is most likely to be the outcome?

The problem we have is the MoM and MoP clearly hate us and they are the two most important figures for the government in the DRC mining sector apart from Felix. We will absolutely crush the DRC government at the ICSID if we need to go the distance I have no doubt but it will take a long time if a settlement isn't reached. Hopefully the MoU is cooking up something good but it seems like a smokescreen to me as the MoM easily could have overruled the decision about the Dathcom JVA being terminated and given Dathcom the tenement back with the ML if she wasn't feeling so snackish imo

 

[JAG]

Who was the person who knows to look for more data on the cami portal? This guy did it in the past and saw dathcom stated in the background of data. Would be nice if that guy can check out again the data on the portal.

One thing is curious, how can it be that mmga was the first who published the MoM order on x?
Since the order something happened fast in the background. In 7 days it’s separated and one part is sold to manono lithium jv. In the case it’s all sold what is the task of mmga? Stop the icc and icsid cases that they can steal without future consequences for them or the drc? That the drc court decisions are the only ones and the jv is terminated after drc law?

Hi Mate,

Please do not take this as a personal attack however there are a number of people here, including myself who actually have spent hours, weeks and months providing information to this thread. ( not anymore )
There are also those who ask questions that don’t invest any time whatsoever in investigating what’s going on and suck the sperm provided.

If you are an AVZ shareholder and you really care, do yourself a favour

START INVESTING YOUR OWN TIME INVESTIGATING YOUR OWN INTERESTS

Stop fkn sooking here…. Get on twitter and start giving some payback!!!

 

[Thaz]

Re Michael Carrick, he mentions he is a CA.

He is bound by the CAs professional and ethical guidelines.

I wonder how they would feel if it was brought to their attention that a member is banned from country and is currently being suspected as operating as a shadow director for a supposed take over of an African mine by a corrupt Chinese company