Misfits
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Azz, Roon has always been massively pessimistic. Ignore his comments, glass half empty
AVZ Discussion 2022
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TDITD
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Best take on the current situation so far
In my opinion, the recent claims and documents from MMGA raise some (more ethical) concerns. The scope of what's happened here is deliberately (and IMO obviously) being kept from us
Let's not forget that MMGA is not exactly known for its integrity. They are led by Peter Hulich, who was previously a director and has been linked to questionable people and questionable practices, including issues with his date of birth. Furthermore, there have been questions about the identity of a mole within the company leaking information. These claims have been made by shareholders and have not been denied, none of the claims by shareholders have in fact been denied.
It's also worth noting that MMGA appears to be backed by the same Chinese entities that are causing issues in the DRC for us/AVZ.
We need to consider whether these individuals are acting in the best interest of the shareholders or if they're simply motivated by personal gain. It's important to keep things in perspective as long-term suffering AVZ shareholders. On evidence so far it would seem quite conclusive.
Our BOD is currently facing a range of challenges from every which way. We were warned about a potential disinformation campaign from MMGA, and it seems to be in full swing as we approach the Annual General Meeting (AGM). MMGA's proposals are non-existent their qualifications for the task at hand are sorely lacking as too their experience in country. Vote NO against MMGA !!
If these documents are indeed genuine, it raises obvious questions about more violations of the DRC mining laws by those involved. We're also making progress with the ICC, and have the ICSID looming overheard both of which have the power to render any forged documents or paid-off local court decisions irrelevant.
Despite some setbacks, such as the (false) loss of our ML decree due to DRC mining code breaches, we've taken steps to protect our interests through legal channels. Even if MOM appears to be against us, the ICC rulings will likely force them to correct their mistakes.
The current situation from MMGA and Comineire seems fraught with contradictions and information gaps. The increase in accusations and misinformation might be a sign that we're getting closer to a resolution.
I suppose the question is whether the ICC or some form of MOU will come first?
P.S
Had to completely rework it as the original was strewn and plied with a bountiful excess of swearing that was linguistically beautiful, so much so it took away from the message. Oh what could have been. Basically it was crude as fuck.
Carlos Danger
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The MoJ getting involved is essentially the DRC handing this over to the lawyers. Either we're going to be part of a major historical precedent destroying corruption in the DRC or we're getting rat fucked and the MoU is just a smokescreen for them to buy more time for a settlement. Beijing has cracked the whip imo
Carlos Danger
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Scoota30
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So if the DRC lawyers are looking at our ICSID case and can see the Swiss cheese sized holes in it, then why the hell would the MoM continue to screw us over? It would only give us more ammunition to win the case. It just doesn't make sense. And then why would Comineire continue to be fighting us? Why would they not just ignore us and keep their mouth shut while they continue to attempt refurbishing the hydro plant. IMO they are on the back foot and it isn't long until the ICC hearing decision arrives.
All I'm saying is, it seems very suss especially with Tommy's article. We know from past experiences that the detractors tend to time things when it benefits them.
I will admit the AGM is gonna be wild and I for one am excited
Hey Scoota absolutely spot on mate. I was just trying to draft up something the same but you nailed it. This plus the points Mr Inappropriate raises re delay and confusion pretty much covers it
I would like to say that re tonights discussion i'am in awe of everyone who has contributed here. I got no idea how you guys find all this shit but is hugely appreciated. Reaffirms my decision to move from the Crapper to TSE.
Thanks to all
Or are they just adding more to the pile of excrement that will need to be waded through at trial to make it take longer?
We can't keep the chronological order of things straight most of the time, there's so much documentation and FUD floating around.
How long will the claims and counterclaims take to sort through it all in court?
We can't keep the chronological order of things straight most of the time, there's so much documentation and FUD floating around.
How long will the claims and counterclaims take to sort through it all in court?
TDITD
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Welcome to the Asylum
Yea I'm leaning to its a fake, I reckon Obes onto it along with the others. Where's the MOM stamp, they normally stamp over the signatures. Signature behind the font. No consistency in the pages.
But hey its the DRC
We could be announcing ICSID and then a day later a bloody ML
TDITD
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Bring your own knuckle-dustersSo if the DRC lawyers are looking at our ICSID case and can see the Swiss cheese sized holes in it, then why the hell would the MoM continue to screw us over? It would only give us more ammunition to win the case. It just doesn't make sense. And then why would Comineire continue to be fighting us? Why would they not just ignore us and keep their mouth shut while they continue to attempt refurbishing the hydro plant. IMO they are on the back foot and it isn't long until the ICC hearing decision arrives.
All I'm saying is, it seems very suss especially with Tommy's article. We know from past experiences that the detractors tend to time things when it benefits them.
I will admit the AGM is gonna be wild and I for one am excited
Scoota30
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Knuckle dusters and cock punches for anyone trying to jump the queue in the snack lineBring your own knuckle-dusters
Carlos Danger
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The purported new decree looks pretty much identical to the decree cancelling our PE to me @obe wanWelcome to the Asylum
Yea I'm leaning to its a fake, I reckon Obes onto it along with the others. Where's the MOM stamp, they normally stamp over the signatures. Signature behind the font. No consistency in the pages.
But hey its the DRC
What stamp or seal do you think is missing between these two documents?
TDITD
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I could have sworn she used a stamp.We will find out anyhow if it's real or not.
It would hardly be a surprise if it isn't real with all the deception & fraudulent behaviour already displayed.
If it is real could definitely explanations for that too, meaning it gets reversed.
No point playing into MMGA an Zijins hands
I dont think Franck likes them
Is the embassy becoming involved?
LithiumKing
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BRICK
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Ive lieterally woken up, looked at this and said to myself theyre comparing the 2 docs to see if the white one is a fake?
So apologies if im wrong - been a big week. lol
My thoughts:
if you were going to forge it you would try to match the font style of the order number. Such a deliberate change in style of the numbering - you wouldnt do this on a forgery i doubt? Or this tells me they are updating their systems to now include the order numbers digitally instead of with a stamp.
it has marks where its stapled on the second page but wheres the staple mark on the first page if assuming the 2 pages were stapled together.
shadow at the edge of the paper and a few small imperfections but the only thing that annoys me is the signature at the bottom of the first page on the new one is different to the style of the other ones first page, i.e, its centred and almost level meaning its very deliberate and signed carefully wheras the first one was done in a rush.
Cumquat Cap
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Morning ladies and gents, some great analysis so far - trying not to panic as that's certainly what the detractors want.
Nice to see Minoli earning her keep and having a meeting with Felix (first time i've seen that);
The shitfuckery has ramped up exponentially since management we're forced to acknowledge the existence of MoU discussions last week (tommy article, MMGA new dossier and fatal documents popping up within 3 days).
ICC on the burn, MMGA desperate to get on our board (with no asset) and new highly qualified Directors having recently been hired (less enthused about that). ICSID discovery also commences soon as well I believe.
I'm Trying to keep a level head although it's fucking scary, always remember Nigel has 50M + AUD to lose if this goes to nothing.
Have a great friday
Nice to see Minoli earning her keep and having a meeting with Felix (first time i've seen that);
The shitfuckery has ramped up exponentially since management we're forced to acknowledge the existence of MoU discussions last week (tommy article, MMGA new dossier and fatal documents popping up within 3 days).
ICC on the burn, MMGA desperate to get on our board (with no asset) and new highly qualified Directors having recently been hired (less enthused about that). ICSID discovery also commences soon as well I believe.
I'm Trying to keep a level head although it's fucking scary, always remember Nigel has 50M + AUD to lose if this goes to nothing.
Have a great friday
Within a week or two I believe of Nigel meeting.
Interesting if both there at the same time. Could be why AvZ haven't released a picture of the meeting
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