AVZ Discussion 2022

[obe wan]

I only have the first 3 pages. Link didn't work for me for some reason. Can you post the rest?

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/64ee6c3e2f73c74b4d160c0a/t/6530b54729a3e421bb9594d2/1697690969909/notification+arr%C3%AAt%C3%A9+minist%C3%A9riel+portant+prorogatio_231013_161203+%2884409343%29.PDF

 

[Carlos Danger]

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I had only seen the CAMI document. Not the order. I asked @9cardomaha for a copy of this. Thanks obe wan. Still worth checking through your sources if this is legit 9card.

 

[Carlos Danger]

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I had only seen the CAMI document. Not the order. I asked @9cardomaha for a copy of this. Thanks obe wan. Still worth checking through your sources if this is legit 9card.

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Yeah link still doesn't work for me. So weird. Probably a good thing haha

 

[obe wan]

So you believe it’s more likely cominiere faked documents in the name of the MoM and a cami order with a invoice for surface rights? And a member of cami who not exactly know what’s going on updated the portal? I don’t believe it would be the suicid of cominiere.

Cominiere don't give a fuck ; that MoM logo / header hasn't been used before ; at least Mr Google lens doesn't pick it up. The Cami website most likely updated after the 9th of Oct Ann.…well obvously it did ; all that's required is knowledge of an update of dates on the CAMI website and any gumnut with a computer can doctor things up. That minister of mines doc is fake as fuck ; the second Cami page has hairs on it too

 

[thorgin]

Page 1 looks pretty legit with stamp over signiture , page two looks legit until you get to Danny Bendos signature which sits in behind the font print and no stamp overlay on either signiture which is odd … that put it into questionable . Pages 3 and 4 could be generated out of anywhere and the rest ; the minister for mines page , well the barcode is a dud ( it’s dead ) ; it also doesn’t replicate onto the next page footer . No ministerial stamp either

The logo with the minister of mines fonts doesn’t appear on any search … probably leftfield for obvious reasons .

Different font there, too.

 

[obe wan]

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Different font there, too.

So page 2 adds odd fonts two … Page 1 of Cami is the only page in the whole roll which appears legit

 

[Carlos Danger]

So you believe it’s more likely cominiere faked documents in the name of the MoM and a cami order with a invoice for surface rights? And a member of cami who not exactly know what’s going on updated the portal? I don’t believe it would be the suicid of cominiere.

Cominiere don't give a fuck ; that MoM logo / header hasn't been used before ; at least Mr Google lens doesn't pick it up. The Cami website most likely updated after the 9th of Oct Ann.…well obvously it did ; all that's required is knowledge of an update of dates on the CAMI website and any gumnut with a computer can doctor things up. That minister of mines doc is fake as fuck ; the second Cami page has hairs on it too

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Different font there, too.

Franck Fwamba seems to think it is legit

 

[Scoota30]

Looks to me like those documents got ripped off the back of a cereal box...

Let's not forget there is an official ASX Announcement stating that Nigel has had a conversation with the president.

We also have confirmation that the MoJ is looking after the AVZ file from the council of ministers meetings.

Then consider that Tommy the twat released his article today and now all of a sudden these documents show up on twitter and through MMGA.....

Remember what Nigel said last AGM "don't believe everything you see on social media". I'm not saying to not interrogate things, but it all seems VERY suspect.

Also, as other mentioned, if Comineire already had control, why are they doing everything they can to continue fighting us. It just doesn't make sense. What makes sense is they are on the back foot.

 

[Charbella]

Franck Fwamba seems to think it is legit
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[Mr Inappropriate]

Whose interests are served if the ML can be delayed up to the AVZ AGM?
Whose interests are served if shareholders are dazed and confused about AVZ’s grasp on 13359 in the lead-up to a vote on directors?

 

[Misfits]

Panic to cause yes votes, to sieze Manono, that's the only way they get it.
Mining code is on our side, Legal recourse is on our side.

It looks like a document to extend the EP for 13359 right?
It's currently listed under Cominierie, it has been for a while, and yes we as AVZ inverstors don't like this, it's been a worrying thing for us.
AVZ BoD recently explained what's going on with it and provided a reasonable explaination (better late than never). Fighting bastards indeed.

Whatever this is we will find out in time.
I don't find it to be something immmediately frightening, though no I don't like it.

You're very quick to incite panic and call something bad Roon.
It just looks like a licence extension.

Azz, Roon has always been massively pessimistic. Ignore his comments, glass half empty

 

[TDITD]

This reasoning is solid.

Just for some clarity:

1. late 2022 Cominiere writes to MOM requesting termination of JVA because they have hurt feelings
2. MOM cancels pending PE in ministerial decree 0000031, citing unharmonious relations (this is fucking laughable and not a valid reason for termination, one of the main points of argument for ICSID)
3. Cominiere uses 0000031 and the belief that 13359 has been returned to Cominiere to file for termination at a local DRC court - they claim that because Dathcom has lost its asset, the JV no longer has reason to exist
4. AVZ leadership sniff out this shitfuckery and obtains an emergency injunction (EI) against Cominiere
5. Cominiere believes it has not breached ICC injunction, because it filed to terminate before EI was handed down
6. With all this going on Cominiere also applied for a court order to have CAMI records updated, which was granted by the looks of it.

This hopefully clears things up, a lot of this is Cominiere acting under its own snack land fantasy scenarios, and the DRC legal system is so fucking outdated, they just go about doing whatever the fuck they want.

AVZ have the proceedings in motion for the outcome Carlos has pointed out, MOM comes over the top, which I stake my ambidextrous left/right them/they/it pronoun testicle on.

PS Cominiere's entire operational process is based on what it wants to believe, with utter disregard for what actually is. Hence what i said about the hydro plant as well, they just doing whatever the fuck they want.

Best take on the current situation so far

In my opinion, the recent claims and documents from MMGA raise some (more ethical) concerns. The scope of what's happened here is deliberately (and IMO obviously) being kept from us

Let's not forget that MMGA is not exactly known for its integrity. They are led by Peter Hulich, who was previously a director and has been linked to questionable people and questionable practices, including issues with his date of birth. Furthermore, there have been questions about the identity of a mole within the company leaking information. These claims have been made by shareholders and have not been denied, none of the claims by shareholders have in fact been denied.

It's also worth noting that MMGA appears to be backed by the same Chinese entities that are causing issues in the DRC for us/AVZ.

We need to consider whether these individuals are acting in the best interest of the shareholders or if they're simply motivated by personal gain. It's important to keep things in perspective as long-term suffering AVZ shareholders. On evidence so far it would seem quite conclusive.

Our BOD is currently facing a range of challenges from every which way. We were warned about a potential disinformation campaign from MMGA, and it seems to be in full swing as we approach the Annual General Meeting (AGM). MMGA's proposals are non-existent their qualifications for the task at hand are sorely lacking as too their experience in country. Vote NO against MMGA !!

If these documents are indeed genuine, it raises obvious questions about more violations of the DRC mining laws by those involved. We're also making progress with the ICC, and have the ICSID looming overheard both of which have the power to render any forged documents or paid-off local court decisions irrelevant.

Despite some setbacks, such as the (false) loss of our ML decree due to DRC mining code breaches, we've taken steps to protect our interests through legal channels. Even if MOM appears to be against us, the ICC rulings will likely force them to correct their mistakes.

The current situation from MMGA and Comineire seems fraught with contradictions and information gaps. The increase in accusations and misinformation might be a sign that we're getting closer to a resolution.

I suppose the question is whether the ICC or some form of MOU will come first?


P.S
Had to completely rework it as the original was strewn and plied with a bountiful excess of swearing that was linguistically beautiful, so much so it took away from the message. Oh what could have been. Basically it was crude as fuck.

 

[Carlos Danger]

We also have confirmation that the MoJ is looking after the AVZ file from the council of ministers meetings.

The MoJ getting involved is essentially the DRC handing this over to the lawyers. Either we're going to be part of a major historical precedent destroying corruption in the DRC or we're getting rat fucked and the MoU is just a smokescreen for them to buy more time for a settlement. Beijing has cracked the whip imo

 

[Carlos Danger]

No chance anything happens until China gets control. The AGM's gonna be wild.
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[Scoota30]

The MoJ getting involved is essentially the DRC handing this over to the lawyers. Either we're going to be part of a major historical precedent destroying corruption in the DRC or we're getting rat fucked and the MoU is just a smokescreen for them to buy more time for a settlement. Beijing has cracked the whip imo
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So if the DRC lawyers are looking at our ICSID case and can see the Swiss cheese sized holes in it, then why the hell would the MoM continue to screw us over? It would only give us more ammunition to win the case. It just doesn't make sense. And then why would Comineire continue to be fighting us? Why would they not just ignore us and keep their mouth shut while they continue to attempt refurbishing the hydro plant. IMO they are on the back foot and it isn't long until the ICC hearing decision arrives.

All I'm saying is, it seems very suss especially with Tommy's article. We know from past experiences that the detractors tend to time things when it benefits them.

I will admit the AGM is gonna be wild and I for one am excited

 

[Strongman]

Looks to me like those documents got ripped off the back of a cereal box...

Let's not forget there is an official ASX Announcement stating that Nigel has had a conversation with the president.

We also have confirmation that the MoJ is looking after the AVZ file from the council of ministers meetings.

Then consider that Tommy the twat released his article today and now all of a sudden these documents show up on twitter and through MMGA.....

Remember what Nigel said last AGM "don't believe everything you see on social media". I'm not saying to not interrogate things, but it all seems VERY suspect.

Also, as other mentioned, if Comineire already had control, why are they doing everything they can to continue fighting us. It just doesn't make sense. What makes sense is they are on the back foot.

Hey Scoota absolutely spot on mate. I was just trying to draft up something the same but you nailed it. This plus the points Mr Inappropriate raises re delay and confusion pretty much covers it
I would like to say that re tonights discussion i'am in awe of everyone who has contributed here. I got no idea how you guys find all this shit but is hugely appreciated. Reaffirms my decision to move from the Crapper to TSE.
Thanks to all

 

[Hudnut]

Or are they just adding more to the pile of excrement that will need to be waded through at trial to make it take longer?
We can't keep the chronological order of things straight most of the time, there's so much documentation and FUD floating around.
How long will the claims and counterclaims take to sort through it all in court?

 

[TDITD]

Hey Scoota absolutely spot on mate. I was just trying to draft up something the same but you nailed it. This plus the points Mr Inappropriate raises re delay and confusion pretty much covers it
I would like to say that re tonights discussion i'am in awe of everyone who has contributed here. I got no idea how you guys find all this shit but is hugely appreciated. Reaffirms my decision to move from the Crapper to TSE.
Thanks to all

Welcome to the Asylum

Yea I'm leaning to its a fake, I reckon Obes onto it along with the others. Where's the MOM stamp, they normally stamp over the signatures. Signature behind the font. No consistency in the pages.

But hey its the DRC We could be announcing ICSID and then a day later a bloody ML

 

[TDITD]

So if the DRC lawyers are looking at our ICSID case and can see the Swiss cheese sized holes in it, then why the hell would the MoM continue to screw us over? It would only give us more ammunition to win the case. It just doesn't make sense. And then why would Comineire continue to be fighting us? Why would they not just ignore us and keep their mouth shut while they continue to attempt refurbishing the hydro plant. IMO they are on the back foot and it isn't long until the ICC hearing decision arrives.

All I'm saying is, it seems very suss especially with Tommy's article. We know from past experiences that the detractors tend to time things when it benefits them.

I will admit the AGM is gonna be wild and I for one am excited

Bring your own knuckle-dusters

 

[Scoota30]

Bring your own knuckle-dusters

Knuckle dusters and cock punches for anyone trying to jump the queue in the snack line