AVZ Discussion 2022

[obe wan]

Franck Fwamba seems to think it is legit
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I'm not getting that vibe

The purported new decree looks pretty much identical to the decree cancelling our PE to me @obe wan

What stamp or seal do you think is missing between these two documents?

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Yes so it does ; I didn’t realise that this was popped out through MMGA website … so have to provide it with ‘some’ credibility …. Although I do reckon some maybe reading a bit to far down the gun barrel .

The ‘partial sale ‘ comment on the CAMI website also adds substance as to what this is all about . We know that CAMI has run through a bag of files over the last two weeks ; they’re looking to bring some cash in and currently trying to lube up the cash register.

My view on it working back from the ‘partial sale’

As below from the fat tail announcement on the 9th of October ( near 2 weeks ago ) it stated that the reason why cominiere is on the CAMI website instead of Dathcom is because Cominiere headed to a domestic court and got the register changed basically without AVZ knowing ; the order was based on false premise ; cominiere told them the JV was terminated and hence order was given and in turn presented to cami to chance the naming from Dathcom to Cominiere ; so that means no JV in the eyes of the court order (an order issued without AVZ knowing anything about it … pretty typical brown bag DRC court shite ) anyway ; invoicing of fees would then technically only go to cominiere … partial sale … if Dathcom JV was still up on the cami website ; then ‘partial sale’ would not appear on the CAMI website as the 15% would be a transaction within the JV

Considering no JV existing under the cami portfolio until the domestic order is turned over ; the 15% sale is not within a JV and simply a sale from Cominiere to Zijin .

AVZ likely got wind of the processes going through within cami and cominiere being invoice instead of dathcom and so the FatTail ann likely had a double barrel in it ; to fire a shot at FatTail and also put it out there of changes that would reverb out and through panicked shareholders .

Expiree date - something that could change and did change 2-3 days after AVZ’s ann

Cominieres name on the CAMi site - something that couldn’t change at this time due to court order … and didn’t change.

Invoicing - issued to cominiere in lieu of Dathcom … because Cami’s portfolio states this until brown bag court order is rectified.

Partial sale - no JV on the cami website ; so it’s a sale to Zijin .

Propaganda will only intensify as we move towards the AGM . Apparently Zijin had a bus load of lawyers at the ICC case and all feverishly taking notes … no doubt the likes of MMGA / Chinese goons are being prepped to the gills and the shit will flow harder and quicker as the AGM approaches .

Just remember all votes count

 

[BEISHA]

In the October 9th announcement AVZ said that it 'considers Cominiere's action in procuring variation of the CAMI register likely constituted a breach of the ICC's emergency order'. Cominiere gonna Cominiere but my concern is why the MoM did this now. Perhaps it was with AVZ's blessing and we will all be popping champagne by xmas. Do you know if the ICC was informed of this latest development?
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AVZ BOD clearly stating the Cami portal / register is manipulated by Cominiere, so not sure why everyone is in " panic mode", do you believe the BOD or do you believe the misinformation ?

Its just another....

 

[Carlos Danger]

I feel like people aren't reacting to this as much as it deserves, this is a huge change, so I'll repost it lol.
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Yeah it read 'Actif en transformation de PR en PE' as recently as last night when I took this screenshot. Of course Cominiere were going to sell parts of it off. Makes a mockery of their claims that AVZ injured them by agreeing to the partial renunciation of the northern section.
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MMGA getting ahead of themselves, trying to make it look like the north has been separated (CDL from RD) so they can propose making a deal and selling it to Zijin

Is Huljich currently in the DRC talking with Cong?

By the way Huljich, your ex wife doesn’t like you does she

I'm not getting that vibe

Yes so it does ; I didn’t realise that this was popped out through MMGA website … so have to provide it with ‘some’ credibility …. Although I do reckon some maybe reading a bit to far down the gun barrel .

The ‘partial sale ‘ comment on the CAMI website also adds substance as to what this is all about . We know that CAMI has run through a bag of files over the last two weeks ; they’re looking to bring some cash in and currently trying to lube up the cash register.

My view on it working back from the ‘partial sale’ View attachment 47497

As below from the fat tail announcement on the 9th of October ( near 2 weeks ago ) it stated that the reason why cominiere is on the CAMI website instead of Dathcom is because Cominiere headed to a domestic court and got the register changed basically without AVZ knowing ; the order was based on false premise ; cominiere told them the JV was terminated and hence order was given and in turn presented to cami to chance the naming from Dathcom to Cominiere ; so that means no JV in the eyes of the court order (an order issued without AVZ knowing anything about it … pretty typical brown bag DRC court shite ) anyway ; invoicing of fees would then technically only go to cominiere … partial sale … if Dathcom JV was still up on the cami website ; then ‘partial sale’ would not appear on the CAMI website as the 15% would be a transaction within the JV

Considering no JV existing under the cami portfolio until the domestic order is turned over ; the 15% sale is not within a JV and simply a sale from Cominiere to Zijin .

AVZ likely got wind of the processes going through within cami and cominiere being invoice instead of dathcom and so the FatTail ann likely had a double barrel in it ; to fire a shot at FatTail and also put it out there of changes that would reverb out and through panicked shareholders .

Expiree date - something that could change and did change 2-3 days after AVZ’s ann

Cominieres name on the CAMi site - something that couldn’t change at this time due to court order … and didn’t change.

Invoicing - issued to cominiere in lieu of Dathcom … because Cami’s portfolio states this until brown bag court order is rectified.

Partial sale - no JV on the cami website ; so it’s a sale to Zijin .


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Propaganda will only intensify as we move towards the AGM . Apparently Zijin had a bus load of lawyers at the ICC case and all feverishly taking notes … no doubt the likes of MMGA / Chinese goons are being prepped to the gills and the shit will flow harder and quicker as the AGM approaches .

Just remember all votes count

AVZ BOD clearly stating the Cami portal / register is manipulated by Cominiere, so not sure why everyone is in " panic mode", do you believe the BOD or do you believe the misinformation ?

Its just another....

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Pure speculation from me but perhaps they are 'selling' part of it off to Dathcom for free as part of the settlement in the MoU. Just the southern part that we drilled is my inkling. Zijin and Cominiere take the north and we are left with the south with CATH and whichever other Chinese entity bids higher than AVZ can afford for the other 15% that the ICC is about to tell Zijin it can't have. Cong will be given his 25m USD and some of the north to go away. This would mean the DRC avoids all potential litigation including from Zijin against it or it's controlled entities imo

 

[Carlos Danger]

AVZ BOD clearly stating the Cami portal / register is manipulated by Cominiere, so not sure why everyone is in " panic mode", do you believe the BOD or do you believe the misinformation ?

Its just another....

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Previous manipulations were all done by Mupande. Either the new CAMI DG is running a loose ship or he's just as fucking corrupt as sugar daddy jean. My bet is on the latter.

 

[Dom1974]

Yes but you would think that with new blood in CAMI they would tell Cominiere to FO. What influence do they have over CAMI (assuming no brown paper bags involved).

 

[BEISHA]

Pure speculation from me but perhaps they are 'selling' part of it off to Dathcom for free as part of the settlement in the MoU. Just the southern part that we drilled is my inkling. Zijin and Cominiere take the north and we are left with the south with CATH and whichever other Chinese entity bids higher than AVZ can afford for the other 15% that the ICC is about to tell Zijin it can't have. Cong will be given his 25m USD and some of the north to go away. This would mean the DRC avoids all potential litigation including from Zijin against it or it's controlled entities imo

So in other words, corruption is perfectly fine and gets rewarded and AVZ get royally pineappled for doing the right thing.....

No disrespect, but your scenario reeks of

 

[Carlos Danger]

So in other words, corruption is perfectly fine and gets rewarded and AVZ get royally pineappled for doing the right thing.....

No disrespect, but your scenario reeks of

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CKK got promoted and the green goblin is currently preparing for reelection despite the IGF report. Corruption is rewarded well in the DRC. This plan has been on the table for quite some time but Nigel has repeatedly said no so far.

 

[Azzler]

Pure speculation from me but perhaps they are 'selling' part of it off to Dathcom for free as part of the settlement in the MoU. Just the southern part that we drilled is my inkling. Zijin and Cominiere take the north and we are left with the south with CATH and whichever other Chinese entity bids higher than AVZ can afford for the other 15% that the ICC is about to tell Zijin it can't have. Cong will be given his 25m USD and some of the north to go away. This would mean the DRC avoids all potential litigation including from Zijin against it or it's controlled entities imo

Kind of my speculation about this "actif en cours de Cession Partielle" part. But I don't think Zijin are getting jack shit.

CAMI tweeted weeks back they are cleaning up the mining register.
So PR 13359 comes up and nothing on it is right.
Cominierie name on 13359 is awaiting an overturning of the local court ruling, legal process must happen.
But while it's in their name, the status that it's being converted to an exploitation licence, under Cominierie isn't true, they aren't getting a PE Licence.

So the PR13359 is renewed to keep it going, as it's long been expired.
So it's status is changed while it's under Comieries name, because CAMI are cleaning house and making sure everything is in order, meaning it can no longer be whatever it was, something like transformation from PR to PE, right?

This "actif en cours de Cession Partielle" might just be what's required to be entered before it changes ownership, and I'm hoping that means to Dathcom.
All just speculation.
No way zijin are getting a slice, NO way.

 

[BEISHA]

I'm not getting that vibe

Yes so it does ; I didn’t realise that this was popped out through MMGA website … so have to provide it with ‘some’ credibility …. Although I do reckon some maybe reading a bit to far down the gun barrel .

The ‘partial sale ‘ comment on the CAMI website also adds substance as to what this is all about . We know that CAMI has run through a bag of files over the last two weeks ; they’re looking to bring some cash in and currently trying to lube up the cash register.

My view on it working back from the ‘partial sale’ View attachment 47497

As below from the fat tail announcement on the 9th of October ( near 2 weeks ago ) it stated that the reason why cominiere is on the CAMI website instead of Dathcom is because Cominiere headed to a domestic court and got the register changed basically without AVZ knowing ; the order was based on false premise ; cominiere told them the JV was terminated and hence order was given and in turn presented to cami to chance the naming from Dathcom to Cominiere ; so that means no JV in the eyes of the court order (an order issued without AVZ knowing anything about it … pretty typical brown bag DRC court shite ) anyway ; invoicing of fees would then technically only go to cominiere … partial sale … if Dathcom JV was still up on the cami website ; then ‘partial sale’ would not appear on the CAMI website as the 15% would be a transaction within the JV

Considering no JV existing under the cami portfolio until the domestic order is turned over ; the 15% sale is not within a JV and simply a sale from Cominiere to Zijin .

AVZ likely got wind of the processes going through within cami and cominiere being invoice instead of dathcom and so the FatTail ann likely had a double barrel in it ; to fire a shot at FatTail and also put it out there of changes that would reverb out and through panicked shareholders .

Expiree date - something that could change and did change 2-3 days after AVZ’s ann

Cominieres name on the CAMi site - something that couldn’t change at this time due to court order … and didn’t change.

Invoicing - issued to cominiere in lieu of Dathcom … because Cami’s portfolio states this until brown bag court order is rectified.

Partial sale - no JV on the cami website ; so it’s a sale to Zijin .


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Propaganda will only intensify as we move towards the AGM . Apparently Zijin had a bus load of lawyers at the ICC case and all feverishly taking notes … no doubt the likes of MMGA / Chinese goons are being prepped to the gills and the shit will flow harder and quicker as the AGM approaches .

Just remember all votes count

CKK got promoted and the green goblin is currently preparing for reelection despite the IGF report. Corruption is rewarded well in the DRC. This plan has been on the table for quite some time but Nigel has repeatedly said no so far.

Sadly its true, corruption is the cornerstone of DRC.

So, if that plan / scenario gets up ( surely not )........... then i get out.

ASX will not be in a accomodating mood for that shit fuckery either, especially after 17 months of suspension.....

imo

 

[Carlos Danger]

Kind of my speculation about this "actif en cours de Cession Partielle" part. But I don't think Zijin are getting jack shit.

CAMI tweeted weeks back they are cleaning up the mining register.
So PR 13359 comes up and nothing on it is right.
Cominierie name on 13359 is awaiting an overturning of the local court ruling, legal process must happen.
But while it's in their name, the status that it's being converted to an exploitation licence, under Cominierie isn't true, they aren't getting a PE Licence.

So the PR13359 is renewed to keep it going, as it's long been expired.
So it's status is changed while it's under Comieries name, because CAMI are cleaning house and making sure everything is in order, meaning it can no longer be whatever it was, something like transformation from PR to PE, right?

This "actif en cours de Cession Partielle" might just be what's required to be entered before it changes ownership, and I'm hoping that means to Dathcom.
All just speculation.
No way zijin are getting a slice, NO way.

Key words 'cession partielle' imo

 

[9cardomaha]

Previous manipulations were all done by Mupande. Either the new CAMI DG is running a loose ship or he's just as fucking corrupt as sugar daddy jean. My bet is on the latter.

CAMI has its hands tied, Cominiere are the ones doing the manipulation. Obe articulated my points better, but Cominiere obtained the court order forcing CAMI to change its registry under false pretences.

CAMI can only follow the Lubumbashi High Court verdict, or tell Cominiere to fuck off... if they choose the latter they will likely get side railed by another brown paper bag verdict from another court.

While Manono is an important project, you have to understand that there are other projects in play, new CAMI corrupt or not, isn;t going to go against a court verdict that Cominiere has and sour that relationship without an opposing court order - hence ICSID and negotiations and whatever the fuck else we have going on.

We, unfortunately, cannot provide brown paper bags and snacks so going to local courts is out of the question - chances of feeding enough twisties to the local court against the giant snack granting factories of Cong and Zijin... so ICSID, ICC as leverage to get an over the top decree just wiping the slate clean is a pretty good play. Unless we want to engage in a snack feeding contest....

Also CAMI website has never been that reliable, remember when all those boxes appeared for no fucking reason? Yeah Mupande was still at the helm, but fuck me the system sucks massive dick (no judgement, if you like sucking dick that's fine).

Everyone should be drinking seawater up until the AGM, because i sense this clusterfuck has just started to heat up. How long has it been since we talked about the hydroplant? Why the fuck now? Last time i think it was discussed with this much focus was... right before last year's roadshow.

Also to add to the northern split shit - Zijin have been at it since feb this year, with even earlier attempts in 2022 using their purported 15% to trade for the north blah blah blah. But it's been sidelined for almost an entire year - if nige hadn't had the discussions with felix, or we didn't have some pull in the DRC, that northern split deal would have been rubber-stamped immediately, it is currently dead in the water, hence ZJ trying other tactics to get something.

 

[Thaz]

CAMI has its hands tied, Cominiere are the ones doing the manipulation. Obe articulated my points better, but Cominiere obtained the court order forcing CAMI to change its registry under false pretences.

CAMI can only follow the Lubumbashi High Court verdict, or tell Cominiere to fuck off... if they choose the latter they will likely get side railed by another brown paper bag verdict from another court.

While Manono is an important project, you have to understand that there are other projects in play, new CAMI corrupt or not, isn;t going to go against a court verdict that Cominiere has and sour that relationship without an opposing court order - hence ICSID and negotiations and whatever the fuck else we have going on.

We, unfortunately, cannot provide brown paper bags and snacks so going to local courts is out of the question - chances of feeding enough twisties to the local court against the giant snack granting factories of Cong and Zijin... so ICSID, ICC as leverage to get an over the top decree just wiping the slate clean is a pretty good play. Unless we want to engage in a snack feeding contest....

Also CAMI website has never been that reliable, remember when all those boxes appeared for no fucking reason? Yeah Mupande was still at the helm, but fuck me the system sucks massive dick (no judgement, if you like sucking dick that's fine).

Everyone should be drinking seawater up until the AGM, because i sense this clusterfuck has just started to heat up. How long has it been since we talked about the hydroplant? Why the fuck now? Last time i think it was discussed with this much focus was... right before last year's roadshow.

Also to add to the northern split shit - Zijin have been at it since feb this year, with even earlier attempts in 2022 using their purported 15% to trade for the north blah blah blah. But it's been sidelined for almost an entire year - if nige hadn't had the discussions with felix, or we didn't have some pull in the DRC, that northern split deal would have been rubber-stamped immediately, it is currently dead in the water, hence ZJ trying other tactics to get something.

Well articulated.

I'm of the camp - to say no to Zijin for any part of Manono.

They have delayed this project for far too long. Who knows what they would do if they were running the neighbour mining site in the north tenement. Remember when there were instances of the attacks and vandalisms in Manono? Imagine how much worse it'll be if they're our neighbour.

I would also imagine that they would occupy the transport routes so that it hinders our ability to transport the stock.

They have much more resources than us - if they sold to others at a severe discount to what we are able to, feasibly - why would anyone buy the same quality of supply at a more expensive rate?

Having Zijin as a neighbour is a definite NO GO.

 

[Carlos Danger]

CAMI has its hands tied, Cominiere are the ones doing the manipulation. Obe articulated my points better, but Cominiere obtained the court order forcing CAMI to change its registry under false pretences.

CAMI can only follow the Lubumbashi High Court verdict, or tell Cominiere to fuck off... if they choose the latter they will likely get side railed by another brown paper bag verdict from another court.

While Manono is an important project, you have to understand that there are other projects in play, new CAMI corrupt or not, isn;t going to go against a court verdict that Cominiere has and sour that relationship without an opposing court order - hence ICSID and negotiations and whatever the fuck else we have going on.

We, unfortunately, cannot provide brown paper bags and snacks so going to local courts is out of the question - chances of feeding enough twisties to the local court against the giant snack granting factories of Cong and Zijin... so ICSID, ICC as leverage to get an over the top decree just wiping the slate clean is a pretty good play. Unless we want to engage in a snack feeding contest....

Also CAMI website has never been that reliable, remember when all those boxes appeared for no fucking reason? Yeah Mupande was still at the helm, but fuck me the system sucks massive dick (no judgement, if you like sucking dick that's fine).

Everyone should be drinking seawater up until the AGM, because i sense this clusterfuck has just started to heat up. How long has it been since we talked about the hydroplant? Why the fuck now? Last time i think it was discussed with this much focus was... right before last year's roadshow.

Also to add to the northern split shit - Zijin have been at it since feb this year, with even earlier attempts in 2022 using their purported 15% to trade for the north blah blah blah. But it's been sidelined for almost an entire year - if nige hadn't had the discussions with felix, or we didn't have some pull in the DRC, that northern split deal would have been rubber-stamped immediately, it is currently dead in the water, hence ZJ trying other tactics to get something.

Have you been able to confirm if the decree is legit?

Fair enough CAMI has to follow the decree if it is indeed real but why is the MoM doing this now against the ICC emergency order. Surely the renewal of the PR could have waited until the first week of November or 13359 could have just been transferred back to Dathcom and converted to PE like the mining code says it should. Why would we need a renewal of PR when our first decree was done after the original expiry date?

 

[Doc]

CAMI has its hands tied, Cominiere are the ones doing the manipulation. Obe articulated my points better, but Cominiere obtained the court order forcing CAMI to change its registry under false pretences.

CAMI can only follow the Lubumbashi High Court verdict, or tell Cominiere to fuck off... if they choose the latter they will likely get side railed by another brown paper bag verdict from another court.

While Manono is an important project, you have to understand that there are other projects in play, new CAMI corrupt or not, isn;t going to go against a court verdict that Cominiere has and sour that relationship without an opposing court order - hence ICSID and negotiations and whatever the fuck else we have going on.

We, unfortunately, cannot provide brown paper bags and snacks so going to local courts is out of the question - chances of feeding enough twisties to the local court against the giant snack granting factories of Cong and Zijin... so ICSID, ICC as leverage to get an over the top decree just wiping the slate clean is a pretty good play. Unless we want to engage in a snack feeding contest....

Also CAMI website has never been that reliable, remember when all those boxes appeared for no fucking reason? Yeah Mupande was still at the helm, but fuck me the system sucks massive dick (no judgement, if you like sucking dick that's fine).

Everyone should be drinking seawater up until the AGM, because i sense this clusterfuck has just started to heat up. How long has it been since we talked about the hydroplant? Why the fuck now? Last time i think it was discussed with this much focus was... right before last year's roadshow.

Also to add to the northern split shit - Zijin have been at it since feb this year, with even earlier attempts in 2022 using their purported 15% to trade for the north blah blah blah. But it's been sidelined for almost an entire year - if nige hadn't had the discussions with felix, or we didn't have some pull in the DRC, that northern split deal would have been rubber-stamped immediately, it is currently dead in the water, hence ZJ trying other tactics to get something.

Hi mate, didnt AVZ say they are contesting that court decision locally? Thought I read it somewhere

 

[9cardomaha]

Hi mate, didnt AVZ say they are contesting that court decision locally? Thought I read it somewhere

Think there is a local court case on this but we also brought up the issue in AVZ v Cominiere at the ICC. No doubt the BOD have the same concerns just relying on local courts.

But its all part of the process, just hunker down and waiting on the first domino to fall - like if ICC rule that it doesn't have jurisdiction because ZJ isn't a JV member, then what on earth are ZJ trading for the north? Subsequently if Dathcom is a shell, what the fuck good is the purported 15% etc.

All a shell game and the rope is running short, hence the kitchen sinking expedition we are currently experiencing.

 

[9cardomaha]

Have you been able to confirm if the decree is legit?

Fair enough CAMI has to follow the decree if it is indeed real but why is the MoM doing this now against the ICC emergency order. Surely the renewal of the PR could have waited until the first week of November or 13359 could have just been transferred back to Dathcom and converted to PE like the mining code says it should. Why would we need a renewal of PR when our first decree was done after the original expiry date?

Its floating around in local DRC, my sources tell me it is legit, but it doesn't change the fact that its all part of the local legal process - MOM likely just following the same verdicts and Cominiere spouting that ICC is irrelevant like delusional clowns.

its a clusterfuck for sure and the way Cominiere is working the system to muddy the waters is some next level shit, but we all know their arguments are piss weak and unless they've hired david fucking blain to be their lawyers, they'll get railed at international legal proceedings. Only magic can resolve this in their favour i reckon.

 

[9cardomaha]

Well articulated.

I'm of the camp - to say no to Zijin for any part of Manono.

They have delayed this project for far too long. Who knows what they would do if they were running the neighbour mining site in the north tenement. Remember when there were instances of the attacks and vandalisms in Manono? Imagine how much worse it'll be if they're our neighbour.

I would also imagine that they would occupy the transport routes so that it hinders our ability to transport the stock.

They have much more resources than us - if they sold to others at a severe discount to what we are able to, feasibly - why would anyone buy the same quality of supply at a more expensive rate?

Having Zijin as a neighbour is a definite NO GO.

ZJs slanted drilling isn't even unfounded either, pretty ZJ have been accused of similar tactics at their Colombia gold mine. added to that unauthorized excavation which left neighbouring mines personnel dead.

Fucking disgusting pricks, with absolutely zero regard for legal process and human life. Using forced labour at their chinese mines, shafting serbian local mining staff, torture, forced eviction, the list goes on.

I'm all for BOD telling them to get fucked.

 

[Carlos Danger]

Its floating around in local DRC, my sources tell me it is legit, but it doesn't change the fact that its all part of the local legal process - MOM likely just following the same verdicts and Cominiere spouting that ICC is irrelevant like delusional clowns.

its a clusterfuck for sure and the way Cominiere is working the system to muddy the waters is some next level shit, but we all know their arguments are piss weak and unless they've hired david fucking blain to be their lawyers, they'll get railed at international legal proceedings. Only magic can resolve this in their favour i reckon.

The MoM has the power to refuse Cominiere's claims. She's blatantly ignored the mining code to give Cominiere what it wants so far. Hopefully the MoJ has power to overrule her but Franck Fwamba says that's unprecedented. Any chance you can get your hands on any paperwork relating to Dathcom's right of appeal?

 

[Thaz]

I know people don't like seeing his posts around. But allegedly, deboss knows 4 of the noms.

Would be interested to know which ones.

 

[9cardomaha]

The MoM has the power to refuse Cominiere's claims. She's blatantly ignored the mining code to give Cominiere what it wants so far. Hopefully the MoJ has power to overrule her but Franck Fwamba says that's unprecedented. Any chance you can get your hands on any paperwork relating to Dathcom's right of appeal?

Let me rummage around and see if anything comes loose.