AVZ Discussion 2022

I mean it's very obvious that Cominiere will be pushing hard with the MoM and the President for them to 'develop' Manono in conjunction with new 'partners'. No prizes for guessing who those partners are, or what role Cominiere would play in this. This is what CKK has been going on and on about, and Cominière's position is that the cancellation of our licence is a done deal.

Now ICC/ICSID may have something to say about that, but when's our case with Cominiere even set for? Let alone the years ICSID will take.

It's my belief that Cominiere will be attempting to press all the buttons they can to all the big players, to say this is the only way forward in which Manono is developed in the coming years - namely during this Presidents (poss. next) term - and the only way their battery manufacturing strategy is underpinned by publicly viewable action, rather than being blocked by a spread of legal actions they are blaming on us. I'm sure they will also be saying that Zijin would offer a larger percentage to the DRC government, and telling FT that AVZ are just trying to claim everything. I don't know if Lisette is indeed related to FT but I bloody well hope not for an inner track for those messages to percolate.

Its all no doubt part of the China backed strategy to delay long enough, with support of suborned local elites, until they propose another pathway forward - portraying it as the only viable one towards the fruition of FTs plans. Casting us as the hostage-taker in this narrative, even though we know full where the real blockade is coming from.

But do the other players know? Will the top bosses see through this Chinese backed Charade, unlike the previous time? Or will we eventually see a reallocation of the licence under this pressure - and the project then being constructed by others whilst a years-long legal case for restitution goes ahead in the background. We surely know which one Cominiere and Zijin are agitating for - CKK has openly admitted that they're preparing new partners to progress manono and this media report is in line with that. That's the game they are playing.

We really need top level FaceTime with MoM and President to dispel the bullshit. This failed during Covid for obvious reasons, but we can't let it happen again. Hopefully Nige and Co can meet with these figures in the near future to put another side to the story. Surely they must be aware the perception damage this would do to their business climate, but they may say well canceling the licence decree already didn't bring down the roof - though I note that it did bring about ICSID, which has likely had an impact.

Still very much in the air at the moment. I know the ICC isnt known for its pace, but we really need to fast-track the Cominiere case

Time is not our friend here
Read some recent posts from the vile kunt Lars on twitter, and ask yourself “is she positioning Tantalex for a role in Manono with Cominiere?”

It reads that way to me…
 
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Doc

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Every time we think we have a foot in the door some arsehole comes and slams it in our face.
TO ( if even possible ) starting to look a real good way out of this mess.
 
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After a small incident where she allegedly had a small fracture, Minister of Mines Nsamba #Kalambayi is said to have already returned to work after a stay in Europe for proper medical treatment.

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Had to go to Europe for treatment of a small fracture. Well fuk-a-duck, I wonder why there are no medical facilities in the DRC? Potentially one of the natural resource powerhouses of the world.
Does anyone know where I can pick up one of those memory wiping devices that Will and Tommy use in MIB. I'm over this.
 
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Is this new information? @Carlos Danger
Big Liars, STOP LYING. FACTS
1. Legal case N. RP14944 by Dathomir vs Dathcom (JV of AVZ, Cominiere and Dathomir) not AVZ. Legal Procedure not yet exhausted
2. Commercial Court appointed Eugene Mbomb as Special Rep to gather Dathcom's partners & decide. Zijin lost then went to ICC
 
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Why not? Have a look below, Lisette was attacked by armed men at her home 3 weeks ago, probably for not delivery what she promised.

I'm glad she's okay (y)(y)

Now issue the fucking Mining Licence....
hmmm i smell bullshit. i want to see a picture
 
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hmmm i smell bullshit. i want to see a picture


There

injured cast GIF by Cuco
 
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I’d say our usually fashionable and well heeled MoM has most likely fractured her leg as it’s the first time I’ve seen her in a full length dress AND wearing flat shoes … consistent with a healing fractured leg that is probably in a cast - what else could she wear?
 
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Doc

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I'm glad she's okay (y)(y)

Now issue the fucking Mining Licence....
Naaa next they’ll say injury is to her hand and she can’t hold a pen and sign documents for the next 6 months…..
 
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Everyone just needs to take a deep breath.

We're all jaded as fuck for sure after the last 16 months. Way to many people jumping at shadows, taking half truths and downright bullshit as gospel.

Last bit of news I'd take seriously is seeing our CEO in a meeting with the mining cadastre.

The MoM not coming to a conference on mining in Australia?? Could be a million different reasons. She could be to busy sorting and prioritising the AVZ mining decree.

We complain that all the drc ministers do is have endless conferences and talks. Then jet all about the world trying to drum up business without actually achieving anything. So I for one don't care about more empty air, empy promises and another meaningless conference.

Time for results
 
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I’m very happy with the recent appointment of Mbindule Mitono Crispin to CAMI who held the PM accountable on his promises to the President/people and asked for some answers during National Assembly. Hopefully he’ll bring the same level of integrity in his role at CAMI.

National Assembly: Mbindule Mitono addresses an oral question with debate to the Prime Minister
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April 13, 2023
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National MP Mbindule Mitono Crispin tabled this Thursday, April 13, 2023 at the office of the National Assembly an oral question with debate to Prime Minister Jean-Michel Sama Lukonde on the level of implementation of his program of government actions.

The elected representative of the people says he has noticed several promises presented to the national representation by the head of government and his team, but which the people do not always manage to see come true.

"The various economic crises that the country has been experiencing for a long time have not allowed the development of the social sector and have left several layers of the population abandoned. There is no social protection system and the one that currently governs the public or private employee is hardly effective; because of its low funding. The country's health system is abandoned while the school and university system is collasing. Many Congolese, because of their extreme material poverty, can no longer assume themselves as parents and ensure the future of their offspring. Despite the country's many resources, the Congolese have become, for decades, a particularly vulnerable and unconfident people.
In line with the vision of the Head of State, you have shown the ambition to reverse the relationship between wealth and poverty. You had decided to put an end to this scandal, which consists in making the Congolese a poor people sitting on immeasurable wealth. Hence the need to make solidarity between different strata of the population real, which must result, in particular in a fair and equitable distribution of wealth.
By providing decent social housing, by the establishment of universal health coverage as well as by free primary education," writes Crispin Mbindule Mitono;

And to add;
"As a result, your government's action has focused on the following five pillars:
Improvement of social conditions: housing, health, education and jobs.


Development of the water and electricity sector,
Fight against poverty and social marginalization;
Empowerment of women, promotion of youth and other vulnerable people;
Promotion of culture, arts, sport and leisure centers.

Faced with the issues and challenges that litter the path to collective well-being, your Government is committed to working hard to materialize the vision of his excellence Mr. President of the Republic, Head of State, Félix Antoine TSHISEKEDI TSHILOMBO who has made the social of the Congolese people the priority of its political action.

More than two years after the inauguration of your Government by the National Assembly, the Congolese people continue to question us on the various promises contained in your government program. Since the Government is the emanation of the National Assembly, and in my capacity as a national deputy and legitimate elected representative of the people, I am under the obligation recognized by the constitution and rules of procedure of the National Assembly to ask you to enlighten the lantern of the national representation on the execution of your Government's program through an oral question with debate.

This is why, in view of the under-mentioned Government's program and the critical evolution of the daily life of the population, I am obliged to ask you the following questions:


A STRONG STATE

What assessment do you make at the current stage on the pacification of the country and the promotion of reconciliation, cohesion and national unity? What is the status of the round tables announced for the provinces under siege?

Where are we with the "Disarmament, Demobilization, Community Reintegration and Stability, DDRCS" program?
What about the strengthening of state authority, promotion of the state and democracy in our country as highlighted in your Government program?

What is your assessment of the joint FARDC-UPDF operations in the Beni sector and surroundings, and the deployment of EAC troops in North Kivu?

As Head of Government, what is your assessment of the enlistment of voters by the Independent National Electoral Commission? And after the enlistment of voters by the CENI, where are we with the census and identification so that the Congolese people get their identity card?

What is the mid-term review of the various reforms announced for a real public administration at the service of the citizen?
What about the National Equalization Fund to allow less affluent provinces to set up their development programs at the base?
What is the balance sheet of your government's diplomacy that you have appointed to acting at the sub-regional, regional and international level? How are our embassies and diplomatic missions doing around the world?

What are the concrete measures taken by your Government to fight corruption and economic crimes that are still commonplace in our country?".

Azarias Mokonzi
 
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Hemicuda

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Everyone just needs to take a deep breath.

We're all jaded as fuck for sure after the last 16 months. Way to many people jumping at shadows, taking half truths and downright bullshit as gospel.

Last bit of news I'd take seriously is seeing our CEO in a meeting with the mining cadastre.

The MoM not coming to a conference on mining in Australia?? Could be a million different reasons. She could be to busy sorting and prioritising the AVZ mining decree.

We complain that all the drc ministers do is have endless conferences and talks. Then jet all about the world trying to drum up business without actually achieving anything. So I for one couldn't give care about more empty air, empy promises and another meaningless conference.

Time for results
Jaded as fuck is just the beginning😳
 
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Is this new information? @Carlos Danger
Big Liars, STOP LYING. FACTS
1. Legal case N. RP14944 by Dathomir vs Dathcom (JV of AVZ, Cominiere and Dathomir) not AVZ. Legal Procedure not yet exhausted
2. Commercial Court appointed Eugene Mbomb as Special Rep to gather Dathcom's partners & decide. Zijin lost then went to ICC
RP14944 has been talked about in a few media articles. It's also cited in the full letter (see below) by the green goblin where she tries to rat fuck us on ceding the 10% pro rata that Cominiere are obligated to transfer in full to the DRC government.

It's the case where Dathomir sought to have the action certificates and register of Dathcom associates dated 31 August and 1 September 2021 obtained from the Chief Registrar of the Unique Enterprise Creation Guichet, Antentenna of Lubumbashi confirming that AVZ owns 75% of Dathcom from the completion of the SPA's with Dathomir annulled and Graeme Johnson was sentenced to 3 years.

I'm not sure what part 2 is referring to and was unaware that Zijin's decision to take AVZ to the ICC was based on decision against them by the commercial court. My understanding was that they brought the case because we as the controlling party of the JV wouldn't recognise them in Dathcom. I don't have any documentation from these court cases mentioned.

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Naaa next they’ll say injury is to her hand and she can’t hold a pen and sign documents for the next 6 months…..
DRC is a developing country. Some systems are a little outdated. For example, the mining licence printing machine is pedal-powered and requires two strong functional legs to be operated.
 
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I mean it's very obvious that Cominiere will be pushing hard with the MoM and the President for them to 'develop' Manono in conjunction with new 'partners'. No prizes for guessing who those partners are, or what role Cominiere would play in this. This is what CKK has been going on and on about, and Cominière's position is that the cancellation of our licence is a done deal.

Now ICC/ICSID may have something to say about that, but when's our case with Cominiere even set for? Let alone the years ICSID will take.

It's my belief that Cominiere will be attempting to press all the buttons they can to all the big players, to say this is the only way forward in which Manono is developed in the coming years - namely during this Presidents (poss. next) term - and the only way their battery manufacturing strategy is underpinned by publicly viewable action, rather than being blocked by a spread of legal actions they are blaming on us. I'm sure they will also be saying that Zijin would offer a larger percentage to the DRC government, and telling FT that AVZ are just trying to claim everything. I don't know if Lisette is indeed related to FT but I bloody well hope not for an inner track for those messages to percolate.

Its all no doubt part of the China backed strategy to delay long enough, with support of suborned local elites, until they propose another pathway forward - portraying it as the only viable one towards the fruition of FTs plans. Casting us as the hostage-taker in this narrative, even though we know full where the real blockade is coming from.

But do the other players know? Will the top bosses see through this Chinese backed Charade, unlike the previous time? Or will we eventually see a reallocation of the licence under this pressure - and the project then being constructed by others whilst a years-long legal case for restitution goes ahead in the background. We surely know which one Cominiere and Zijin are agitating for - CKK has openly admitted that they're preparing new partners to progress manono and this media report is in line with that. That's the game they are playing.

We really need top level FaceTime with MoM and President to dispel the bullshit. This failed during Covid for obvious reasons, but we can't let it happen again. Hopefully Nige and Co can meet with these figures in the near future to put another side to the story. Surely they must be aware the perception damage this would do to their business climate, but they may say well canceling the licence decree already didn't bring down the roof - though I note that it did bring about ICSID, which has likely had an impact.

Still very much in the air at the moment. I know the ICC isnt known for its pace, but we really need to fast-track the Cominiere case

Time is not our friend here
What a difference a few weeks makes.

"There is also a rumour that Lizette was blocked at the airport trying to flee the country. Celestine next "? Jens 5/08
 
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What a difference a few weeks makes.

"There is also a rumour that Lizette was blocked at the airport trying to flee the country. Celestine next "? Jens 5/08
there is a difference?? the date?
 

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An alternate way to look at or consider things with regard to Cominiere puffing it’s chest out and comments around new partners is AVZ have a sale agreement in place for its majority stake in Dathcom.

If that happens and the $$$ are substantial then obviously it doesn’t matter how they split up the Manono pie thereafter.

AVZ’s current and near term position on all of this hasn’t played as yet.

Anyway that’s my glass half full view on current position, and hopeful expectation, holders can sip on that or spill the milk, up to you all of course. 👍😁

Cheers The Fox
 
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What a difference a few weeks makes.

"There is also a rumour that Lizette was blocked at the airport trying to flee the country. Celestine next "? Jens 5/08
Yes the rumour thing was likely 100% Bullshit.

I followed up with Kiki on his article where it says Lisette is related to PR05, he stated that Lisette is of the same ethnic origins (a misunderstood importance from us westerners), she is in his political party and also her father is a friend of PR05 father. This is a family bond here.
Kiki says they are indeed very close allies. Delicate.🤦‍♂️, in the face of what the IGF report said of her.

 
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there is a difference?? the date?
Maybe she got blocked because they wanted to surprise her with a promotion, like a suprise birthday party when everyone is acting weird around you during the day and getting you to follow them somewhere
 
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An alternate way to look at or consider things with regard to Cominiere puffing it’s chest out and comments around new partners is AVZ have a sale agreement in place for its majority stake in Dathcom.

If that happens and the $$$ are substantial then obviously it doesn’t matter how they split up the Manono pie thereafter.

AVZ’s current and near term position on all of this hasn’t played as yet.

Anyway that’s my glass half full view on current position, and hopeful expectation, holders can sip on that or spill the milk, up to you all of course. 👍😁

Cheers The Fox

I'd grab that fucking glass and skull it like a thirsty Viking
 
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