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Flight996

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You can also add the UK to the list for the time being...at least until the Bairstow thing is off the front pages. The Kiwis have been dirty on us for forty years, so it might be a while.

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If only TSE had a “what the fuck” button or emoji to use in these instances.
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@Azzler I got information tonight (legally disclosed as we are not bound by ASX disclosure rules while suspended)

AVZ has successfully negotiated ownership with Dathomir and Cominiere. Zijin is out and ICC cases now null and void.

Awaiting documents for the legal transfer of ownership to AVZ to be officially signed ahead of the PE for 13359 being granted, including cassiterite.

90% ownership confirmed ahead of CATH TIA with CATH to then take the original agreed amount.

Felix ministerial reshuffle currently underway and Nigel is giving me all his shares in return for me having negotiated all the above on his behalf.

Announcement confirming all the above imminent
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More pain for AVZ Minerals (AVZ)

Struggling Australian lithium hopeful, AVZ Minerals today suspended drilling after coming up empty in the final 36 of its 53 hole campaign at Manono in the Democratic Republic of China (DRC). The first 17 diamond drill holes were also disappointing.

AVZ CEO, Nigel Funston expressed disappointment at the drilling results, and said that the Chinese laboratory that tested the core samples assured him there was no lithium in any of the 56 samples sent for analysis. A laboratory spokesperson said that what initially appeared to be exposed pegmatites were in fact just valueless mica extrusions.

In 2022, AVZ Minerals was suspended from trading for breaches of ASX trading rules. Since then the company has been financially supported by its long-term partner Zijin Mining, and by the DRC government. Both entities reiterated their continued support for the company.

Both Zijin and the DRC government agreed that based on the analytical results, Manono appears uneconomic and no further drilling would occur at the site. The site would be mothballed until a buyer could be found. Representatives of Zijin Mining and AJN Resources, a Canadian listed explorer (TSX-AJN) said their companies would jointly step in to clean up the site and prevent it from falling into disrepair at no cost to the government. Security staff and heavy equipment, including excavators and haul trucks were already on site ready to commence the cleanup.

The DRC Mines Minister praised the community spirit of both companies, and said they represented the kind of responsible companies the nation is seeking to attract in order to spearhead its ambitious push for a place the global EV battery chain.

Mr Funston reiterated that although disappointed, Manono was just one of a suite of exploration tenements held by the company in mining friendly jurisdictions. Mr Funston said the company's focus would now shift to its exploration sites in Sudan and Somalia. Like the DRC, these nations have strong governance arrangements in place, and a commitment to the rule of law.

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I found that post even funnier than Moneys.......:p:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

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Turning 44 this Thursday, I thought I will have the house paid off last year, will marry again and will have sex again after lets keep that number hidden forever days/nights/morning. To make matters worse, last year around this time, foolishly declared that I will be observing celibacy till we get to $2..... :mad:


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If its any consolation to you, i have been celibate for 16yrs..........:mad::(:eek::eek:

2 C sections on delivering 2 rug rats destroyed my " sexy " career....probably the reason why i turned to

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Just to let you know how crazy i was.......I asked the missus if she would consider adding to the rug rat count so I could remember the feeling one more time.........


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You can also add the UK to the list for the time being...at least until the Bairstow thing is off the front pages. The Kiwis have been dirty on us for forty years, so it might be a while.

You're welcome.
Same old poms always whinging
 
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Zijin cannot feel owner of our minerals and decided as it sees fit. Already going to court alongside La Comminiere as a shareholder of #Dathcom is not only a lack of respect for the Congolese people, but a shameless SCAM.
 
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Xerof

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You can also add the UK to the list for the time being...at least until the Bairstow thing is off the front pages. The Kiwis have been dirty on us for forty years, so it might be a while.

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Hey…..I forgave you pricks just over 12 months ago, 🤣🤣

speaking of cricket, settling in to watch the morning session now 👍

Oh fuck it’s raining in England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿
 
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Why this silence ?
Silent kidnapping.
Inflation, rate 2600, silence.
Godé Mpoyi ejected, silence.
Traffic jam, silence.
Suffering, silence.
Transport 1500 FC, silence.
Everything is really SILENT that we believe we are abandoned to our sad fate.
See you at the elections!
 
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China accused of scores of abuses linked to ‘green mineral’ mining

Watchdog identifies 102 violations over past two years as country extracts ‘transition minerals’ for green-energy technology

Nina Lakhani Climate justice reporter, and Amy Hawkins Senior China correspondent

Thu 6 Jul 2023 09.02 AEST

A new report into China’s dominance in the green-energy market has identified more than a hundred allegations of environmental and human rights violations linked to its overseas transition mineral investments over the past two years.

China dominates the processing and refining of lithium, cobalt, copper, manganese, nickel, zinc, chromium, aluminium and rare-earth elements – and the manufacturing of technologies like solar panels, wind turbines and batteries for electric vehicles (EV), which require so-called transition minerals.

China floods: Xi Jinping urges action as rains kill 15 and displace thousands

The Business & Human Rights Resource Centre (BHRRC), a corporate watchdog that tracks the local impact of thousands of global businesses, identified 102 alleged abuses in 2021 and 2022 linked to Chinese mining interests spanning 18 countries.

Copper is the mineral most frequently associated with allegations of harm, followed by nickel. The abuses include Indigenous rights violations, attacks against grassroots leaders, water pollution, ecosystem destruction and unsafe working conditions.

The highest number of alleged abuses – 27 – were recorded in Indonesia, which has the world’s largest nickel reserve, followed by Peru, the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Myanmar and Zimbabwe. More than 70% of the alleged violations were documented in these five countries where weak governance and human rights abuses have been widely reported, and where China is a major economic partner.
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The findings underline growing concerns that the transition to renewable energy is repeating unjust business practices that have long dominated fossil-fuel and mineral extractions, with Indigenous people, and marginalised rural and communities of colour most likely to bear the brunt of violations and least likely to benefit from the extracted natural resources.

China is not alone. Allegations of human rights violations, environmental harms and labour abuses are rife in mining operations linked to Canadian, US, UK, Australian and European companies and investors – which has long been taking place alongside the extraction of fossil fuels, according to data collated by the watchdog and multiple other human rights and environmental groups.

But experts have warned that the global dash for transition minerals needed for green-energy technologies threatens to provoke a new wave of land-grabs, water shortages, environmental damage and community conflicts as countries rush to meet their climate-action goals with little thought about the collateral damage.

“The energy and land needed for exploration, extraction and processing of transition minerals leaves behind a significant carbon footprint, characterised by human rights abuses and puts more strain on scarce surface and ground water resources,” said Eric Ngang from Global Witness, which documented more than 300 assassinations of anti-mining activists between 2012 and 2021, the worst violence linked to any environmentally harmful industry.

“While mining is needed for green transition, it will ramp up the [negative] impacts if appropriate regulations are not developed and implemented … as transnational companies and business enterprises seem to take advantage of weak governance,” Ngang added.

China has been buying up overseas mines and investing heavily in mineral-rich countries like Indonesia and Zimbabwe, and is set to dominate the supply chain for years to come despite US and European efforts to diversify the market.

Mining for transition minerals is often “the defining project for China’s relationship with these countries,” said Antonia Timmerman, an editor for the China Global South Project, a website, who has investigated Chinese involvement in Indonesia’s nickel mines. That means that abuses can be exacerbated by a lack of accountability from local partners and governments, who are keen to court investment from Chinese companies.

“This is a dirty business,” Timmerman said. In Indonesia, for example, the government “can be very brutal when it comes to defending and protecting these companies, especially the large ones. This happened long before the EV phenomenon.”

The report only includes alleged harms published by the media, academics and nonprofits related to the transition mineral supply chain, so the true number could be higher.

It also suggests Chinese companies are failing to comply with Beijing’s commitments on transparency and human rights policies, with less than one in five of the Chinese firms responding to the allegations when approached by the Centre – compared to 56% of mining companies globally.

In May, China’s mining industry business association launched a pilot mediation scheme for communities, workers and other stakeholders to file complaints against companies involved in any part of the minerals supply chain. It is the first grievance mechanism established by a Chinese industry association.

But participation is voluntary and the scheme has no enforcement powers. “The core function of this mechanism is to promote and facilitate the parties to a dispute to have open communication channels … and facilitate problem resolution by providing professional advice and services,” said Li Yanling, one of the scheme’s principal researchers.

But Chinese companies do not work in a vacuum, according to Betty Yolanda, director of regional programmes at BHRRC. “Many are suppliers to western buyers like Tesla, Ford and BMW … [who] need to be examined to check whether they have fulfilled their own due diligence responsibility across their supply chains.”

 
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I've been ignoring his winks for a very long time. But these particular winks were in regards to the theory that he and Jens had about Zijin trying to force an EGM by buying 5% of AVZ's shares and not a sale of Dathcom shares by AVZ imo

Even if FIRB had a say in JV ownership sales in a foreign jurisdiction and AVZ hypothetically decided to sell all of their holdings of Dathcom at a price shareholders were happy with then it would be a ridiculous situation for FIRB to say nah all of you must continue to be stuck in a shitshow. Very different situation to a Chinese entity getting a board seat on an ASX listed company.
then it would be a ridiculous situation for FIRB to say nah all of you must continue to be stuck in a shitshow.

Not disputing your vast knowledge, but how confident are you of that statement or is it just your opinion ?


Not sure FIRB would give 2 fucks about the shit show, but would give a HUGE fuck if AVZ ( which potentially has 2b tonnes of high grade spod ) was taken over by chinese entities in particular, in any shape or form..........not to mention the loss of massive tax revenue.

Would the FIRB stance be different if the US took control ?


food for thought.
 
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I hate going off topic and was going to have the weekend off here but I just found something beautiful on YouTube

Being old school and listening to classic bands from the Beatles era through the years of Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, The Stones (with legendary guitarists) and singers of the calibre of Joe Cocker etc, through to good grunge bands on the 90’s I had pretty well lost faith in today’s music

Today I found this young Irish busker whose interpretations of the songs she covers are absolutely gorgeous. For any of you that appreciate a beautiful young singer and are sick of the bullshit we have had to focus on for the last 61 weeks check her out…. Her name is Allie Sherlock


Thanks @MoneyBags1348 . She is gifted and sharing her gift. Beautiful, uplifting. 🙏❤️
 
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then it would be a ridiculous situation for FIRB to say nah all of you must continue to be stuck in a shitshow.

Not disputing your vast knowledge, but how confident are you of that statement or is it just your opinion ?


Not sure FIRB would give 2 fucks about the shit show, but would give a HUGE fuck if AVZ ( which potentially has 2b tonnes of high grade spod ) was taken over by chinese entities in particular, in any shape or form..........not to mention the loss of massive tax revenue.

Would the FIRB stance be different if the US took control ?


food for thought.
My theory for the TIA is that the RCCM shows AVZ at 60%. Yes we have good legal title to 75% but the 15% from Dathomir hasn't been transferred and is subject to 'dispute'. Therefore AVZ promising CATH 24% on paper could hypothetically mean losing control. This indicates to me that FIRB weren't asked for advice or we should have had announcements about the FIRB process like with the Yibin deal.

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The only possible reason I could see for FIRB intervention is on national security grounds. But that would be a stretch. FIRB mainly looks at investment in Australian companies and land. There is a provision for tenements on foreign land under Section 56 of the Foreign Acquisitions and Takeovers Regulations 2015 that Frydenberg cited in his letter so they could potentially intervene but I'm not sure it would apply to an asset that is indirectly owned through a JV that is based outside Australia.

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In a situation where everyone is happy with the deal and the gringos aren't willing to come to the table then what right would the Australian government have to force AVZ to conduct business in a hostile environment when its bod and shareholders don't want to. If the Australian government cared that much about securing this asset then they can buy us out themselves in that situation.

As for the gringos taking control of AVZ or Dathcom no FIRB wouldn't care at all. Their beef is with China.
 
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For the newbies and anyone else wondering where is a safe sovereign juristiction to invest, ISCID pending cases tells you all you want to know........:unsure:

I have been in the investing caper for over 30 yrs and still learning........:rolleyes:

Note to ones self, never invest in the following countries.

1) Peru
2) Mexico
3) Spain
4) Tanzania / Nigeria / DRC........ lets just round it off with AFRICA continent in general.
5) Argentina .......( hmmm I am a big investor of GLN ....:unsure: )
6) Venezuala
7) Egypt.


I could list alot more , but you get the gist.

Whats the common denominators of all these countries ?

Banana republic and generally fucked up.


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Zimbabwe opens its unit by #lithium and is ahead of DR Congo in the competition, still wondering how to eject the Australians from @AvzMinerals to give the market to the Chinese from #Zijin !

Zimbabwe inaugurates its lithium plant, unlike DR Congo which is still floundering over partnerships​

July 8, 2023
Kiki Kienge


By Kiki Kienge
Now lithium has become a war between the great powers of the planet and the multinationals, ready to be thrown even in the mud for this snatch.
But even more it is a race against time, because the high price recorded by the ore currently does not remain stable for long, even more the competition of new materials, ores and the discoveries of other deposits, risk penalizing more countries that can't play against time at the moment.
The Chinese mining giant, Zhejiang Huayou Cobalt, one of the world's leading producers of battery materials in a joint venture with the Zimbabwean state, has just inaugurated this Wednesday, July 05, 2023 a lithium processing plant worth $ 300 million US in Zimbabwe.
It should be remembered that Zimbabwe had adopted a law prohibiting any export of raw lithium; “Zimbabwe has banned the export of raw lithium, wanting the metal to undergo at least some primary processing in the country. »
Any company wishing to export lithium ore will have to obtain special authorization under a new statutory regulation and report exceptional circumstances before taking the lithium out of Zimbabwe without being processed first.
The new lithium production plant in Zimbabwe has a capacity to process 4.5
million metric tonnes of hard rock lithium in concentrate for export per year.

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Prospect Lithium Zimbabwe plant in Goromonzi 80 kilometers from the capital Harare, inaugurated this Wednesday 05 2023.
In 2021 the media, Reuters had written in its article:

Huayou, the world's largest producer of cobalt, another battery metal, said in a 2020 filing that it would pay $388.8 million for Australia-listed Prospect Resources Ltd (PSC). AX) 87% stake in Arcadia owner Prospect Lithium Zimbabwe.

It will pay an additional $44.2 million for the 6% stake held by Zimbabwean professor Kingston Kajese and the 7% held by Tamari Trust, which, according to previous Prospect filings, is linked to Prospect chief executive Paul Chimbodza. Lithium Zimbabwe. »

The DR Congo, which has one of the richest deposits of hard rock lithium in the world, in collaboration with the Australians of AVZ MINERALS, notably listed on the Australian stock exchange (Australia. AX), does not succeed following political maneuvers, to start the production of its lithium.

According to local sources in Zimbabwe, the lithium production plant has already created at least 1,000 direct and at least five times more indirect jobs, excluding the infrastructure, economic and social development that will result in the communities of areas around the plant and the mine, Goromonzi, Harare and throughout the country.

 
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My theory for the TIA is that the RCCM shows AVZ at 60%. Yes we have good legal title to 75% but the 15% from Dathomir hasn't been transferred and is subject to 'dispute'. Therefore AVZ promising CATH 24% on paper could hypothetically mean losing control. This indicates to me that FIRB weren't asked for advice or we should have had announcements about the FIRB process like with the Yibin deal.

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The only possible reason I could see for FIRB intervention is on national security grounds. But that would be a stretch. FIRB mainly looks at investment in Australian companies and land. There is a provision for tenements on foreign land under Section 56 of the Foreign Acquisitions and Takeovers Regulations 2015 that Frydenberg cited in his letter so they could potentially intervene but I'm not sure it would apply to an asset that is indirectly owned through a JV that is based outside Australia.

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In a situation where everyone is happy with the deal and the gringos aren't willing to come to the table then what right would the Australian government have to force AVZ to conduct business in a hostile environment when its bod and shareholders don't want to. If the Australian government cared that much about securing this asset then they can buy us out themselves in that situation.

As for the gringos taking control of AVZ or Dathcom no FIRB wouldn't care at all. Their beef is with China.
Thanks for sharing!!

The TIA ( Cath ) transaction is incomplete still, so not a matter for the FIRB to consider at this stage is my view on that

Yibin was looking for a direct stake in AVZ, required FIRB approval, got dismissed on " contrary to national interest " as per
Foreign Acquisitions & Takeovers regulation 2015

Interesting to note way back in 2019 , when Frydenberg rejected YIBIN proposal, his reasoning were pretty clear and powerful...

" AVZ business is centred on mining lithium, identified as a critical mineral, the largest demonstrated hard rock deposit in the world, with potential to produce 300,000 tonne PA, equal to world output of 2018 alone. The Australian govt is committed to growing its critical minerals sector and to DIVERSIFYING GLOBAL SUPPLY CHAINS "

So the Australian govt knew all about AVZ potential back in 2019 when it was a pimple compared to now , do you or anyone else in the brain trust here at TSE think a potential " loop hole " in selling via DATHCOM is going to deter matters regards to the FIRB aka Chyna ?

Here is the link to the guidance of Foreign Acquisitions & Takeover regulations 2015 for everyones perusal , sections 56 and 67 all included, make of it as you will.


Here is the latest link for US critical mineral pact with Australia and other alliances


AVZ contacted the Australian embassy about this shit show , no doubt the US embassy was made aware too, hence ISCID.

Just reading between the lines here, if any take over of AVZ / Dathcom is going to occur with FIRB blessing , the logical suitor is going to be the gringos aka US and possibly our best bet for a decent price.

Interesting times ahead.

just my opinion.
 
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Thanks for sharing!!

The TIA ( Cath ) transaction is incomplete still, so not a matter for the FIRB to consider at this stage is my view on that

Yibin was looking for a direct stake in AVZ, required FIRB approval, got dismissed on " contrary to national interest " as per
Foreign Acquisitions & Takeovers regulation 2015

Interesting to note way back in 2019 , when Frydenberg rejected YIBIN proposal, his reasoning were pretty clear and powerful...

" AVZ business is centred on mining lithium, identified as a critical mineral, the largest demonstrated hard rock deposit in the world, with potential to produce 300,000 tonne PA, equal to world output of 2018 alone. The Australian govt is committed to growing its critical minerals sector and to DIVERSIFYING GLOBAL SUPPLY CHAINS "

So the Australian govt knew all about AVZ potential back in 2019 when it was a pimple compared to now , do you or anyone else in the brain trust here at TSE think a potential " loop hole " in selling via DATHCOM is going to deter matters regards to the FIRB aka Chyna ?

Here is the link to the guidance of Foreign Acquisitions & Takeover regulations 2015 for everyones perusal , sections 56 and 67 all included, make of it as you will.


Here is the latest link for US critical mineral pact with Australia and other alliances


AVZ contacted the Australian embassy about this shit show , no doubt the US embassy was made aware too, hence ISCID.

Just reading between the lines here, if any take over of AVZ / Dathcom is going to occur with FIRB blessing , the logical suitor is going to be the gringos aka US and possibly our best bet for a decent price.

Interesting times ahead.

just my opinion.
Clearly it is a question of control and influence on decision making rather than just minority ownership. Perhaps management are confident enough that they won't go below 51% that FIRB didn't need to be involved. Then again they have been confident of getting the licence on a fair few occasions so far.

The Yibin deal was altered after FIRB rejected the initial terms in April 2020 from them buying 11.7% of AVZ and crucially getting a seat on the bod to them buying 9% and not getting a bod seat.

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Frydenberg's main concern was the deal was not in Australia's national interest of 'diversifying secure, resilient and sustainable global supply chains' for critical minerals. Which is code for China is asshole. The Yibin deal would have been approved before the Wuhan lab kerfuffle imo

My main point was centred on the hypothetical scenario where AVZ wants to sell all of their holdings in Dathcom and leave operations in the DRC. That's a completely different thing for FIRB to consider than an ASX listed company that wants to continue to operate in a foreign jurisdiction but could potentially be subject to sinister influence by a rival foreign government.

Nigel mentioned that takeover offers had been received at the German roadshow in April 2022 but they weren't worthy to announce to shareholders. I can't imagine at that time they were from anyone but a Chinese entity. Surely that means management think they can sell to the Chinese if needed. That was Klaus's plan before bailing too so it must be possible.

Yeah on paper the gringos are the ideal buyers if we need to sell. But this is now all down to Felix wanting battery plants in the DRC and the law means fucking nothing. And that sort of attitude means the gringos won't touch it. All of the recent rumblings point to CATL agreeing to build the plants. Which points to AVZ either getting the licence or them buying us out completely at a price the bod is happy with. If it's the latter and FIRB try to stop it then the DRC government will just take the tenement off us and we will spend years in court thanks to our own government imo
 
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Zimbabwe opens its unit by #lithium and is ahead of DR Congo in the competition, still wondering how to eject the Australians from @AvzMinerals to give the market to the Chinese from #Zijin !

Zimbabwe inaugurates its lithium plant, unlike DR Congo which is still floundering over partnerships​

July 8, 2023
Kiki Kienge


By Kiki Kienge
Now lithium has become a war between the great powers of the planet and the multinationals, ready to be thrown even in the mud for this snatch.
But even more it is a race against time, because the high price recorded by the ore currently does not remain stable for long, even more the competition of new materials, ores and the discoveries of other deposits, risk penalizing more countries that can't play against time at the moment.
The Chinese mining giant, Zhejiang Huayou Cobalt, one of the world's leading producers of battery materials in a joint venture with the Zimbabwean state, has just inaugurated this Wednesday, July 05, 2023 a lithium processing plant worth $ 300 million US in Zimbabwe.
It should be remembered that Zimbabwe had adopted a law prohibiting any export of raw lithium; “Zimbabwe has banned the export of raw lithium, wanting the metal to undergo at least some primary processing in the country. »
Any company wishing to export lithium ore will have to obtain special authorization under a new statutory regulation and report exceptional circumstances before taking the lithium out of Zimbabwe without being processed first.
The new lithium production plant in Zimbabwe has a capacity to process 4.5
million metric tonnes of hard rock lithium in concentrate for export per year.

rawImage-1024x683.jpg
Prospect Lithium Zimbabwe plant in Goromonzi 80 kilometers from the capital Harare, inaugurated this Wednesday 05 2023.
In 2021 the media, Reuters had written in its article:

Huayou, the world's largest producer of cobalt, another battery metal, said in a 2020 filing that it would pay $388.8 million for Australia-listed Prospect Resources Ltd (PSC). AX) 87% stake in Arcadia owner Prospect Lithium Zimbabwe.

It will pay an additional $44.2 million for the 6% stake held by Zimbabwean professor Kingston Kajese and the 7% held by Tamari Trust, which, according to previous Prospect filings, is linked to Prospect chief executive Paul Chimbodza. Lithium Zimbabwe. »

The DR Congo, which has one of the richest deposits of hard rock lithium in the world, in collaboration with the Australians of AVZ MINERALS, notably listed on the Australian stock exchange (Australia. AX), does not succeed following political maneuvers, to start the production of its lithium.

According to local sources in Zimbabwe, the lithium production plant has already created at least 1,000 direct and at least five times more indirect jobs, excluding the infrastructure, economic and social development that will result in the communities of areas around the plant and the mine, Goromonzi, Harare and throughout the country.



Great find Sammael, particularly an English version.

In addition, the top five companies developing lithium projects in Zimbabwe (below) are unsurprisingly Chinese, and they are getting traction. Zimbabwe ambitiously aims to produce up to 20% of the global lithium supply.
  • Zhejiang Huayou Cobalt (The Chinese company mentioned in the Kongo Press article)
  • Sinomine Resource Group,
  • Chengxin Lithium Group,
  • Yahua Group, and
  • Canmax Technologies.
Each of these companies has spent in excess of $US 1 billion in exploration and development of lithium reserves over the past two years.

Zimbabwe's rapid evolution from global basket case to global battery metals player is rather embarrassing for the DRC government, whose lithium industry remains moribund due to endless corruption and incompetence at every level of government.

As someone here recently said, lithium under a layer of dirt is worth nothing.

Cheers
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