AVZ Discussion 2022

[pow4ade]

I beg to differ once again, these so called spammers are highlighting the TRUTH METRE, they are fighting for our rights, they are applying the guilt treatment .......thats a positive in my eyes

Fair enough, your passion and commitment is undoubted.

However facts or not the spam campaign is driven by raw emotion and a desire for revenge, to humiliate, to shame, as if all is lost. It's not, not by a long shot.

Leaving the emotion out of it my question remains: can you indicate how such a strategy is a positive for our company, as it pertains to resolving this impasse with Felix and the DRC govt which most likely will involve on going negotiations?

 

[Hudnut]

Leaving the emotion out of it my question remains: can you indicate how such a strategy is a positive for our company, as it pertains to resolving this impasse with Felix and the DRC govt which most likely will involve on going negotiations?

If you are still asking that, then you aren't listening and any reply to your question is a waste of time.

 

[RHyNO]

reading a great book ‘Why Nations Fail’ DRC features first and heavily. The only way this goes well is if the entire ruling class and their families are removed and the people can get a true democracy. ENTIRE RULING CLASS

 

[TDITD]

Think of it another way.

The DRC, Felix etc don't intend to give us anything, or they would have already.
Z and C are also waging a misinformation campaign, including on social media.

There are multiple cases between these parties and AVZ in multiple courts.

We need to wage a campaign to correct misinformation for the same reasons they are spreading it.

1. To ensure our version of events is known for our own reputation in the business community, our industry sector, and for future potential parters (mining, customers and financial)
2. To add to pressure from the people mentioned above re: any future investment plans in the DRC to assist with any negotiations that might be ongoing. Any free ride for Z and C to tell their own lies uncountered cannot be a good thing for us.
3. To let the DRC know that we aren't going to just roll over for an easy settlement in return for dropping any cases, as we believe we are in the right.

No doubt Felix and DRC officials aren't happy about what is posted, and Felix probably doesn't read the volume of posts tagged to him.

However, journalists, investors and others do read social media. Let's not give Z and C a free run, and let's not let corrupt actors remain in the shadows.

Corrupt actors may still get away with their actions if we continue posting. If we don't, they definitely will.

Sir how dare you come onto the internet using logic and common-sense

 

[MoneyBags1348]

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Frank I don’t think some of the shareholders here realise just how much deceptive and misleading information has been put on the internet, not just by boatman and tommy, but Cominiere, Zijin and a group of media companies. You know what I’m talking about because I sent you a list of them in private because as I said, I didn’t want to provide them with more opportunity to spam their lies and deception.

And what are we fighting for…. Shareholders only have to look at what you posted on Pilbara Minerals (PLS). Now with a market capital of $14 billion and looking at making over $2 billion net profit (that’s after tax has been paid) in their upcoming report and their lithium deposit is nothing compared to Dathcom’s

Enough said

 

[M.Bison]

So any news from the DRC mining week Manono discussion?

 

[Frank]

So any news from the DRC mining week Manono discussion?

*Yep, They didn't realise that it's Pants First - Then Your Shoes

 

[Cumquat Cap]

Anyone heard any news at all, has Manono been mentioned in any of those shitty grainy videos yet? Watched about an hours worth on Wed night and it was usual waffling on about commitments, dialogue et all - all crap

 

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[pow4ade]

If you are still asking that, then you aren't listening and any reply to your question is a waste of time.

All I'm suggesting is that a name-and-shame campaign is premature at this stage, driven as it is by mis-placed hearts and no head.

Thus it's more likely to be counter-productive than not, evidenced by the fact no one can detail the benefit to AVZ whilst mired in negotiations.

We are not yet in the position which First Quantam, for example, once found themselves after having their mining lease expropriated by the DRC govt. Yet with careful management and patient, professional strategies they were eventually compensated:

For resource companies, the good news is that they can fight back. Aiming to regain control or get compensation, First Quantum retaliated with an aggressive, multi-faceted campaign on three continents. This exhibited deft use of political pressure, international law and the powerful weapon of shame. And that’s why, a couple of months ago, the first instalment of a $1.25-billion peace offering arrived in the company’s bank accounts. This is the story of how the company got taken for a ride in one of the world’s most corrupt countries, fought back and won. (my emphasis)

Compare this approach with the scatter-gun approach being utilised by emotional and impatient shareholders who IMO have jumped the gun, without AVZ's imprimatur.

Such a sensitive campaign is the job of crisis management professionals, retained by our BOD, if and when the time is right.

https://archive.canadianbusiness.co...th-enrc-for-compensation-over-congolese-mine/

 

[Retrobyte]

*Yep, They didn't realise that it's Pants First - Then Your Shoes

Love the attendees in the conference room with their hard hats still on! Maybe they are concerned that one of the disgruntled AVZ shareholders from Twitter will be there and start throwing chairs?

 

[Hudnut]

All I'm suggesting is that a name-and-shame campaign is premature at this stage, driven as it is by mis-placed hearts and no head.

Premature? You are kidding.

@John25 , how many weeks have we been in suspension as of today?

(You'll have to wait for a bit for John to update us, he's had to go back to work like a lot of people due to the delays caused by the corrupt asshats.)

You are correct. We have NO IDEA what is going on, since or world class BoD has communicated fuxk all since the roadshows when they indicated possible resolution in November last year.

For the hard of hearing, the DRC, Felix, Z and C will try to screw us regardless of what we put on social media. Negotiations will all be related to AVZ dropping legal proceedings. This is about countering and correcting misinformation for other audiences and keeping our reputation intact.

 

[9cardomaha]

https://archive.canadianbusiness.co...th-enrc-for-compensation-over-congolese-mine/

Stellar fucking write-up.

One thing that caught my eye:

Fasken is the legal team representing ZJ - just thought it was interesting, no conspiracy theories, but fucking lawyers..... not doing what's right but doing what pays most.

 

[Flight996]

Here is an interesting piece, courtesy of Reuters, about China's growing reliance on domestically mined lepidolite as an alternative route to lithium carbonate.

However, as usual, there is a cost disadvantage in using secondary quality inputs. Separating lithium from lepidolite is approximately twice as costly as from brine and spodumine. If brine and spodumine prices tail off, as additional mines come on line over the next five years, then China's reliance on lepidolite may be uneconomic.

In China's lithium hub, mining boom comes at a cost

The city of Yichun is ground zero in the country's push to cut its reliance on imports of the metal for its battery industry, which makes three-quarters of the world's lithium-ion batteries.

www.reuters.com

Cheers
F

 

[Dazmac66]

Stellar fucking write-up.

One thing that caught my eye:

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Fasken is the legal team representing ZJ - just thought it was interesting, no conspiracy theories, but fucking lawyers..... not doing what's right but doing what pays most.

"First Quantum worked diplomatic channels. Under international law, the Canadian government is obliged to protect its citizens and corporations from unlawful abuse abroad. "
One must ask, does Australia have a similar policy?

 

[Cumquat Cap]

Very interesting, have posed a few questions to Fasken's twitter page in regards to ESG and representing known poverty mongers, see what we get back

 

[Frank]