AVZ Discussion 2022

[Hudnut]

FFS. Every time Der Geist shows up, every second post is about him/her/it.
Pages of shite.
This is why I don't go to HC anymore.

We've had an ICC related announcement come out, and it's still going on.
Can we cut this shite out?

Regarding the announcement, I'm still trying to work out how Z and C thought it would be a good idea to outline what they think Manono is worth, when it contradicts they value placed by Z's $33M offer and C's claims that AVZ didn't do anything to improve value. I'd really like to know what is going on behind the scenes, but we'll never know.

Factor in the MoM coming to Oz, MMCS and the required 10% C has to give the DRC to release the ML, the election and the MoP supporting Felix, the directive to clean up the registry, AVZ disappearing from the CAMI website, seemingly new teeth given to Jules, the injunction, and the nods and winks.

It looks like lots of things have started moving, but I don't know where they are going to land.

I noted some time ago (I think in the ministers' meeting minutes) that moves where being made to prepare for the election in the event things were stable enough in the East for that to happen.

Any thoughts on the election being delayed due to security concerns in the East?

 

[Xerof]

What was wrong with your access? Genuine question

I have never been able to access the site directly, but I'm fucking hopeless at it

My question to you was a genuine question, as you were posting RCCM screen shots way back, showing Jin Cheng as a shareholder. You said recently, on twitter Sir, that RCCM site was down, so I was wondering if your source had dried up as well

 

[Sammy_da_Smile]

Thanks for the great backgrounder

What you have revealed is that AVZ received this submission late April, but due to, in their words, viewing it as spurious, decided not to inform shareholders. Where have I read that before

They were very happy to tell us about the successful injunction asap, but not the new challenge from C/Z, so why today I ponder. Breaking story from someone from the dark side?

Was this the reason for the emergency hearing to injunct COMINIERE? I would think so - MMCS experience, although different circumstances entirely, could have been seen as another avenue to delay delay delay by revocation of the JVA via DRC courts, and set us back years more, with yet another court case

As you say, these late April filings make a mockery of the delay to the first Z case, but good on the lawyers for recognising the possibilities

No trigger of fines then.....

and yes, clever way of legitimately bankrolling COMINIERE's legal costs

Again, as you said somewhere else, their mutual complicity is now exposed before the eyes of the global mining fraternity

"Submitted to ICC", AVZ most likely only just became aware.

 

[Der Geist]

I have never been able to access the site directly, but I'm fucking hopeless at it

My question to you was a genuine question, as you were posting RCCM screen shots way back, showing Jin Cheng as a shareholder. You said recently, on twitter Sir, that RCCM site was down, so I was wondering if your source had dried up as well

No source is needed. You make an account. And then look for the Prompts.

I commented here:

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Now for the naysayers, why do you think Bloomberg stopped following AFE’s Tom lead after first stab on May 23 2023?

 

[MoneyBags1348]

"Submitted to ICC", AVZ most likely only just became aware.

AVZ probably also waiting for advice from their lawyers before producing official announcements.

@Hudnut there have been news reports of the government plans to delay the election as well as news reports that election officials are being replaced by new inexperienced officials at polling stations and that a request was made to Lukonde to pay a high level voting official (I think from memory it was $3mil) to instigate these new officials taking over at the polling stations.

I never followed it up because I just follow the corruption directly related to us

 

[Hudnut]

AVZ probably also waiting for advice from their lawyers before producing official announcements.

@Hudnut there have been news reports of government plans to delay the election as well as news reports that election officials are being replaced by new inexperienced officials at polling stations and that a request was made to Lukonde to pay a high level voting official (I think from memory it was $3mil) to instigate these new officials taking over at the polling stations.

I never followed it up because I just follow the corruption directive related to us

Thanks MB.

I've been chewing over that one for a while.

When we make comments about certain things may be dependent on the election.
eg. Z and C delaying tactics until a possible change of Government, or Felix wanting to achieve things prior to an election campaign.

Maybe Felix will maneuver to delay the election citing security concerns to stay in power longer to buy more time. Especially if Z & C are involved in bankrolling election official placement.

 

[Frank]

The only legitimate valuation metrics for the Manono project are contained within AVZs DFS.

Cominiere is on record suggesting AVZ has done nothing to value add to the project, however todays actions by Jin Cheng and Cominiere indicate a contrary position.

Is Cominiere seriously proposing that AVZ has simultaneously added value AND done nothing?

*Fyi, To add, I see where,

 

[Der Geist]

You still talking mate! I thought I just told you to “SHUT THE FUCK UP”

Point taken. But you do see the relevance of the question? By Bloomberg not following the AFR, damage is reduced for AVZ. In just under one year, afaik, they’ve said nothing about all that has happened.

The point is the AFR and its readership tracking AVZ matters needs reminders about the malfeasance. On ownership alone doesn’t do it. But AFR reliance on easy to see dodgy docs is an easy one to communicate.

 

[Mr Inappropriate]

One question:
Is anyone aware of the factual reason(s) provided by the government to Dathcom as to why the ML has not been issued?


One observation;
The ICC route will take forever. Only the president’s intervention will change our trajectory.

That statement is even more true following today’s revelations.

And yes, i’ve taken to quoting my own posts. Come at me.

 

[John Reed]

Discoverd?
Or given information directly from Z because AVZ dismissed their claim.
They needed someone on the "inside" to stir concern, to get people worried.
Ahh then they have their so called "informer" in place.

It was also incredibly obvious and common knowledge that boatman and Tommy were acting fraudulently for personal gain.
He uncovered nothing, but it was a good excuse to look like you're on team AVZ. Investigate something on our detractors that in the end ammounts to nothing.

What you’re confabulating about is irrelevant to what was discovered. If you truly believe that then you’re here just for entertainment .

 

[BEISHA]

" confabulating "..........

" malfeasance "............

 

[Xerof]

That statement is even more true following today’s revelations.

And yes, i’ve taken to quoting my own posts. Come at me.

Today I identify as a single persona. Same as yesterday, same tomorrow

My pronouns are I, me

You do too Mr

 

[Azzler]

" confabulating "..........

" malfeasance "............


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Oh let him keep thinking he's such a clever spy crafter man, lol who cares.

 

[Chase]

Exposed

 

[SilentOne]

I dont mean to be the elephant in the room, but did Z pay for their 15% in full - I am intrigued.

Regards,

Silent

 

[TDITD]

I dont mean to be the elephant in the room, but did Z pay for their 15% in full - I am intrigued.

Regards,

Silent

Still about $817 million short mate

 

[Flight996]

I dont mean to be the elephant in the room, but did Z pay for their 15% in full - I am intrigued.

Regards,

Silent

Probably not.
I previously searched Zijin's half-year and full-year accounts, and did not find a line item that approximates $US28 million. I also emailed Zijin's office about the balance, but no response.

Cheers