AVZ Discussion 2022

I cant even begin to describe my anger and disgust at Zijin‘s outburst at AVZ and Marius. I’d like to see us go hard at Z on the bird.

Fuck, i’ll even join Twitter and help lob some grenades. @Spikerama - do you have the capacity and interest to knock up some new assets targeting Z?
 
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Winenut

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Back in 2007 I was lucky enough to be personally invited by Tom Morello to a private show he was doing to celebrate the release of his first solo The Nightwatchman album 'One Man Revolution' at a tiny bar in LA. His band was Wayne Kramer from MC5 on rhythm guitar, Carl Restivo on bass (He was also in Perry Farrell's side project Satellite Party) and Maynard from Tool occasionally on piano. One of the actors from that movie Road Trip was on drums, still not really sure why. Throughout the night Tom would play 2 or 3 of his songs then bring up some of his friends from the crowd to play a few of their biggest songs. The other artists that performed included Alanis Morissette, Ben Harper, Steve Vai, Disturbed, Alice in Chains with Lars Ulrich on drums and Cypress Hill.

I spent most of the night getting drunk at the bar talking with Lars and Mike Bordin from Faith No More. Also had a good chat with Sen Dog from Cypress Hill for a while and vaguely remember Tom Morello's mum giving me a glass of champagne at one point. Lars easily polished off at least 15 vodka cranberries and when he was leaving he told me he was driving back to San Francisco that night. Forgetting I was talking to the lord of vodka I asked him if he was okay to drive and if he was worried about getting arrested for a DUI. He smiled at me and said 'I never met a cop that wasn't a fan' haha. Easily one of the best nights of my life.
You win....:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

But I played!! :love::cool:

So many great artists right there....mentioned many of my faves

Have to swap a story or two sometime.....will be a lot of fun after all the crazy stuff with AVZ

I've got Bjork and the Breeders up my sleeve!....;)
 
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Nice one!

I was on the same bill as Smashing Pumpkins at the 1994 Big Day Out here in Adelaide....so officially I'll be seeing them live again almost 30 years later!!!

For the record I've managed to retain more hair than Billy Corgan... :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
Legendary mate! What band where you in? Played at the last big day out down here in melbourne. Looks like the AVZ massive have some pretty decent taste!
 
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The AFR would have professional indemnity insurance for its journos

I hope the payout busts their insurance cover limit and results in future premiums making further coverage not financially viable.
 
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Legendary mate! What band where you in? Played at the last big day out down here in melbourne. Looks like the AVZ massive have some pretty decent taste!
Can't give the identity away online! ;):ROFLMAO:

That would smash the myth and all would know the band was pretty fucking average.....

Will reveal all when we hit $2........ooops...$12 for Zijin!!!
 
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Electric batteries: the United States accelerates the materialization of the major Congolese-Zambian project

The United States of America is committed to rapidly materializing the battery and electric vehicle industry project in order to boost the economies of African countries.

During a meeting held Friday, April 14 in Washington DC at the State Department, the Congolese Minister of Industry, Julien Paluku Kahongya, that of Finance Nicolas Kazadi and the American Under-Secretary of State in charge of the economy , Energy and Environment, José W. Fernandez, assessed the collaboration agreement signed in Washington last December between the Congolese, Zambian and American governments on the development of a regional value chain around the battery and vehicle industry batteries, and this, with the launch of the pre-feasibility study for the installation of the first manufacturing plant for precursors of electric batteries in Lubumbashi in the province of Haut-Katanga.

At the end of this strategic meeting, the Biden administration reiterated its commitment to truly support the materialization of this major project which will change the economies of African countries.

The Minister of Industry, Julien Paluku, recalled that the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) is the best destination in the world for the battery and electric vehicle industry thanks to its strategic minerals.

He also welcomed the firm commitment of the United States of America. “(…) the issue of electric batteries dominates the news around the world and the United States wants to be among the main players since they signed with us the agreement with Zambia in December 2022.

We came to take stock of the situation, to see what the developments are following the February 2023 meeting in Cape Town.

Among the major developments is the establishment of the Congolese Battery Council with facilitators so that we also know what path we must take.

We were honored during the meeting with the American Under-Secretary of State by the presence of Réta Jo Elwis, the president of the American Exim Bank, an American import-export bank which is one of the important financiers that we asked to support the project”, explained Julien Paluku.

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This meeting comes after that of Cape Town in South Africa on the sidelines of the INDABA MINING forum where the Congolese Ministers of Industry, Finance and the American Under-Secretary of State in charge of the economy, energy and environment were discussed at length on the same file.

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Not a lawyer. But defamation case would mean that your personal reputation would need to be damaged.

Companies, in itself, generally from what I have read, cannot launch a defamation case.
and you need to prove / demonstrate a financial loss in Australian courts (from memory), not just, someone hurt my feelings 🦊
 
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You win....:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

But I played!! :love::cool:

So many great artists right there....mentioned many of my faves

Have to swap a story or two sometime.....will be a lot of fun after all the crazy stuff with AVZ

I've got Bjork and the Breeders up my sleeve!....;)
baby hat GIF
+ Carlos too.
 
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#Tshibangu refers to the presumptions of the article of @FinancialReview of @tommyr345, when @AvzMinerals and
@MariusMihigo confirmed the non-existence of the contract and payment?
Can he confirm corruption?
Does he accuse $AVZ of envoy @fastandfiry who is not the leader of AVZ?


Marius Mushagalusa Mihigo
Mills Tshibangu works unofficially for Celestin Kibeya, he seeks to create a controversy as a diversion to forget the suspicions of embezzlement of 2,060,000 USD which weigh on his boss. It should not be given importance. He has no credibility

Found the kunt on FB, sent him a direct message. Please all feel free to post on his timeline as well. 😁😂🦊
 

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Nice one!

I was on the same bill as Smashing Pumpkins at the 1994 Big Day Out here in Adelaide....so officially I'll be seeing them live again almost 30 years later!!!

For the record I've managed to retain more hair than Billy Corgan... :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
The process of elimination begins…

 
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Electric batteries: the United States accelerates the materialization of the major Congolese-Zambian project

The United States of America is committed to rapidly materializing the battery and electric vehicle industry project in order to boost the economies of African countries.

During a meeting held Friday, April 14 in Washington DC at the State Department, the Congolese Minister of Industry, Julien Paluku Kahongya, that of Finance Nicolas Kazadi and the American Under-Secretary of State in charge of the economy , Energy and Environment, José W. Fernandez, assessed the collaboration agreement signed in Washington last December between the Congolese, Zambian and American governments on the development of a regional value chain around the battery and vehicle industry batteries, and this, with the launch of the pre-feasibility study for the installation of the first manufacturing plant for precursors of electric batteries in Lubumbashi in the province of Haut-Katanga.

At the end of this strategic meeting, the Biden administration reiterated its commitment to truly support the materialization of this major project which will change the economies of African countries.

The Minister of Industry, Julien Paluku, recalled that the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) is the best destination in the world for the battery and electric vehicle industry thanks to its strategic minerals.

He also welcomed the firm commitment of the United States of America. “(…) the issue of electric batteries dominates the news around the world and the United States wants to be among the main players since they signed with us the agreement with Zambia in December 2022.

We came to take stock of the situation, to see what the developments are following the February 2023 meeting in Cape Town.

Among the major developments is the establishment of the Congolese Battery Council with facilitators so that we also know what path we must take.

We were honored during the meeting with the American Under-Secretary of State by the presence of Réta Jo Elwis, the president of the American Exim Bank, an American import-export bank which is one of the important financiers that we asked to support the project”, explained Julien Paluku.

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This meeting comes after that of Cape Town in South Africa on the sidelines of the INDABA MINING forum where the Congolese Ministers of Industry, Finance and the American Under-Secretary of State in charge of the economy, energy and environment were discussed at length on the same file.

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Top post of the year Frank, I'm sure you won't mind but I shared it on HC.
 
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Can't give the identity away online! ;):ROFLMAO:

That would smash the myth and all would know the band was pretty fucking average.....

Will reveal all when we hit $2........ooops...$12 for Zijin!!!
Visual BDO memory of mine - Beastie Boys cutting sick in the med suits, crowd going mental... lose a few brain cells , 2005 had an absolute mental lineup (actual bands, not DJ-ridden). I may be 5-10 years behind you boys though in age! What a time
 
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90 DAYS are nearly up
Thanks to Terryl
Lithium from Manono, the DRC escapes a scam in Paris

The COMINIERE trial against MMCS STRATEGIC 1 opened on Monday January 16, 2023 at the International Chamber of Arbitration in Paris is decisive for the DRC. On Tuesday, the second hearing was decisive for the Congolese side, defended by lawyers from Cabinet Élite. The most solid and unassailable technical arguments presage the victory of the DRC, but extreme caution is necessary. A verdict in favor of COMINIERE will make the exploitation of Manono lithium by AVZ a reality.
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COMINIERE delegation to the trial in Paris @Photo Third-party rights
published on January 20, 2023 at 07:00:00
The ICC had notified COMINIERE since June 2022 that the pleading would take place from January 16 to 20, 2023 in Paris. Complainant MMCS fully agreed. But, the attention of the Congolese authorities being more focused on the aggression suffered by the country of its Rwandan and Ugandan neighbors, MMCS wanted to take advantage of the probable absence of the DRC at the trial to raise the stakes. In the absence of COMINIERE, the DRC should have been condemned by default because of negligence like the past. In such a case, the Mauritian company would claim damages. For which investment in Congo? Is taken, who thought he was taking, they say. MMCS was unpleasantly surprised by the arrival in Paris of the Congolese delegation.
Fallacious arguments to block the AVZ project

Litigation has two components: legal and technical. The last part better explains the failures of MMCS. The argument that MMCS did not research and do a feasibility study is archaic.
Read also:
Electric batteries: the memorandum of understanding signed by the USA, the DRC and Zambia published by the Biden administration
According to our sources, the mining engineer, Raphaël Ngoy Mushila, a mining and quarrying agent with 36 years' experience in the sector, has made a major contribution to the defense of the DRC. Recruited by Cabinet Élite to provide technical advice, the expert enriched the debate. Having worked in Canada, Australia, Latin America and Africa in the mines, he demonstrated black and white that the argument of the energy deficit invoked by MMCS was "Quackery and mining heresy"
The company required, in fact, 15 megawatts from COMINIERE before carrying out any research and carrying out a feasibility study. According to expert Ngoy, "MMCS didn't even need an amp or a watt. Not even a candle". Such a claim is similar to a concession freeze prohibited by the mining code. The mining law also provides for the forfeiture of titles when the operator has not developed the project within the legal period. This gave arguments to the government of the time to strip MMCS of its titles.
From trial to settlement, a strategy or a failure?

From Paris, we learn that MMCS "begged"the Court to suspend the pleadings to grant the parties two months for an amicable settlement. A request that reflects the weakness of MMCS at trial. But COMINIERE has understood that this elastic strategy aims to block the evolution of the lithium exploitation project, because the arbitration has been going on for 5 years. The elasticity of gait would allow MMCS to bounce back otherwise.

In pleading, the Court must rule within 90 days. This is how COMINIERE opted for the pleadings.


This timing gives MMCS the opportunity to negotiate before the verdict and requires it to act urgently. Because, by dragging the pace, the sentence will fall before the desired compromise. However, the adage "better a bad settlement than a good trial" remains valid for all parties.
Awaiting sentencing...

The window of 3 to 90 days is important for the negotiations that MMCS is now forced to conduct with its back to the wall. It is therefore necessary to update the stakes of this project with a feasibility study taking into account the prices of lithium. It is urgent to reassess the contribution of each party to the project to relaunch the construction phase. It is logical to involve the Élite firm in this file to avoid the recurring and fatal error of parachuting UFOs, wheeler-dealers and hustlers. The Congo has no room for error!
With anticipations before November 2023, President Tshisekedi can end his first five-year term with the production of lithium and rare earths, essential for technological innovation. The launch of the Lithium-Tantalum-Tungsten-Tin and Rare Earth plant will be a success. The project will be profitable. Natural resource diplomacy can be played out at this level, because all the powers of the world need the lithium, tin ores and rare earths that the DRC has.
Vigilance and extreme caution for COMINIERE

The MMCS party tried to save the furniture by lining up 4 witnesses. But their performance in the face of questions from the Court showed that MMCS had never done "Due diligence" when entering into a joint venture. No credible miner can skip this step. It makes it possible to identify all the risks and binding tasks, including those that are non-negotiable and that lead to the forfeiture of securities.
Cut suspicious connections and networks

MMCS has not given up yet. A reliable source indicates that one of the witnesses, chosen by MMCS is an agent in mines. Son of a former Attorney General of the Republic, he is also president of a bar. Curiously, he is both judge and party. He was one of the managers of the "stillborn JV, Manono Mineral (MANOMINE)" between COMINIERE and MMCS. He represents the interests of MMCS. Therefore, he has a conflict of interest. Another reliable source, based in Kinshasa, is said to have intercepted bizarre contacts and calls between an MMCS insider and the Ministries of Justice, Mines and Portfolio since the start of the trial this week. A simple coincidence or a suspicious movement tending to influence the game against the DRC? He's under the radar.
The managing director of MMMCS admitted that she has never drawn up a business plan, a compass for any serious mining operator. It is clear that his mode of management was visual navigation without any landmarks. This project was going nowhere.
A copy-paste that does not hold

The calculation of the damage allegedly suffered by MMCS was based on data taken from the AVZ feasibility study. Plagiarism or copy-pasting vigorously contested by COMINIERE during the trial. Study data are never transposable. Moreover, we are not far from forgery and the use of forgery. Even two bidders on the same mining project will never have the same process, the same recovery yield, the same operating costs, the same capex and the same impurities in the finished product. MMCS was unable to produce a feasibility study.
Extreme caution for the DRC and not blissful optimism

The last hearing took place on Wednesday. Between now and mid-April, a series of activities will take place: the circulation of the transcripts of the pleadings, the transmission of the post-pleading briefs and any replies.
Read also:
Seabed: Assembly calls for international moratorium on mining
It is strongly recommended that COMINIERE be cautious with regard to the "full-contact" that has just taken place. It is certain that MMCS will seek a solution before the sentence. But this stage must be meticulously prepared on the Congolese side by resource persons who master this file. Cabinet Élite has proven that it can do the job well. The government must avoid unnecessarily inflating the team with per diem hunters, careerists, profiteers and calculators as is often the case in Congo.
 
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Found the kunt on FB, sent him a direct message. Please all feel free to post on his timeline as well. 😁😂🦊
Mills Tshibangu works unofficially for Celestin Kibeya”. Who needs to be on the government payroll when working for a guy who seems unexpectedly well off is more lucrative? Plus there’s no pesky governance rules or codes of conduct to abide by.

Sounds like a dream job for the morally flexible.

FFS.
 
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Samus

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Let's hold on. The permanent fight against anti-values in public management is an attitude to adopt for the development of our country. The predation of public funds is a source of collective misery and constitutes a curse for the authors.
 
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Cominiere is a legless duck, people are attacking Manono's only traceable and viable partnership and partner in the name of their spontaneous specialization in the DRC mines. Let them tell us which partner has been doing what in which jv at Cominiere since when?

Kulutu, these people are sickening, because of the crumbs given to them by predators, they attack the only serious investors we have in Manono!
 
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90 DAYS are nearly up
Thanks to Terryl
Lithium from Manono, the DRC escapes a scam in Paris

The COMINIERE trial against MMCS STRATEGIC 1 opened on Monday January 16, 2023 at the International Chamber of Arbitration in Paris is decisive for the DRC. On Tuesday, the second hearing was decisive for the Congolese side, defended by lawyers from Cabinet Élite. The most solid and unassailable technical arguments presage the victory of the DRC, but extreme caution is necessary. A verdict in favor of COMINIERE will make the exploitation of Manono lithium by AVZ a reality.
By


COMINIERE delegation to the trial in Paris @Photo Third-party rights
published on January 20, 2023 at 07:00:00
The ICC had notified COMINIERE since June 2022 that the pleading would take place from January 16 to 20, 2023 in Paris. Complainant MMCS fully agreed. But, the attention of the Congolese authorities being more focused on the aggression suffered by the country of its Rwandan and Ugandan neighbors, MMCS wanted to take advantage of the probable absence of the DRC at the trial to raise the stakes. In the absence of COMINIERE, the DRC should have been condemned by default because of negligence like the past. In such a case, the Mauritian company would claim damages. For which investment in Congo? Is taken, who thought he was taking, they say. MMCS was unpleasantly surprised by the arrival in Paris of the Congolese delegation.
Fallacious arguments to block the AVZ project

Litigation has two components: legal and technical. The last part better explains the failures of MMCS. The argument that MMCS did not research and do a feasibility study is archaic.
Read also:
Electric batteries: the memorandum of understanding signed by the USA, the DRC and Zambia published by the Biden administration
According to our sources, the mining engineer, Raphaël Ngoy Mushila, a mining and quarrying agent with 36 years' experience in the sector, has made a major contribution to the defense of the DRC. Recruited by Cabinet Élite to provide technical advice, the expert enriched the debate. Having worked in Canada, Australia, Latin America and Africa in the mines, he demonstrated black and white that the argument of the energy deficit invoked by MMCS was "Quackery and mining heresy"
The company required, in fact, 15 megawatts from COMINIERE before carrying out any research and carrying out a feasibility study. According to expert Ngoy, "MMCS didn't even need an amp or a watt. Not even a candle". Such a claim is similar to a concession freeze prohibited by the mining code. The mining law also provides for the forfeiture of titles when the operator has not developed the project within the legal period. This gave arguments to the government of the time to strip MMCS of its titles.
From trial to settlement, a strategy or a failure?

From Paris, we learn that MMCS "begged"the Court to suspend the pleadings to grant the parties two months for an amicable settlement. A request that reflects the weakness of MMCS at trial. But COMINIERE has understood that this elastic strategy aims to block the evolution of the lithium exploitation project, because the arbitration has been going on for 5 years. The elasticity of gait would allow MMCS to bounce back otherwise.

In pleading, the Court must rule within 90 days. This is how COMINIERE opted for the pleadings.


This timing gives MMCS the opportunity to negotiate before the verdict and requires it to act urgently. Because, by dragging the pace, the sentence will fall before the desired compromise. However, the adage "better a bad settlement than a good trial" remains valid for all parties.
Awaiting sentencing...

The window of 3 to 90 days is important for the negotiations that MMCS is now forced to conduct with its back to the wall. It is therefore necessary to update the stakes of this project with a feasibility study taking into account the prices of lithium. It is urgent to reassess the contribution of each party to the project to relaunch the construction phase. It is logical to involve the Élite firm in this file to avoid the recurring and fatal error of parachuting UFOs, wheeler-dealers and hustlers. The Congo has no room for error!
With anticipations before November 2023, President Tshisekedi can end his first five-year term with the production of lithium and rare earths, essential for technological innovation. The launch of the Lithium-Tantalum-Tungsten-Tin and Rare Earth plant will be a success. The project will be profitable. Natural resource diplomacy can be played out at this level, because all the powers of the world need the lithium, tin ores and rare earths that the DRC has.
Vigilance and extreme caution for COMINIERE

The MMCS party tried to save the furniture by lining up 4 witnesses. But their performance in the face of questions from the Court showed that MMCS had never done "Due diligence" when entering into a joint venture. No credible miner can skip this step. It makes it possible to identify all the risks and binding tasks, including those that are non-negotiable and that lead to the forfeiture of securities.
Cut suspicious connections and networks

MMCS has not given up yet. A reliable source indicates that one of the witnesses, chosen by MMCS is an agent in mines. Son of a former Attorney General of the Republic, he is also president of a bar. Curiously, he is both judge and party. He was one of the managers of the "stillborn JV, Manono Mineral (MANOMINE)" between COMINIERE and MMCS. He represents the interests of MMCS. Therefore, he has a conflict of interest. Another reliable source, based in Kinshasa, is said to have intercepted bizarre contacts and calls between an MMCS insider and the Ministries of Justice, Mines and Portfolio since the start of the trial this week. A simple coincidence or a suspicious movement tending to influence the game against the DRC? He's under the radar.
The managing director of MMMCS admitted that she has never drawn up a business plan, a compass for any serious mining operator. It is clear that his mode of management was visual navigation without any landmarks. This project was going nowhere.
A copy-paste that does not hold

The calculation of the damage allegedly suffered by MMCS was based on data taken from the AVZ feasibility study. Plagiarism or copy-pasting vigorously contested by COMINIERE during the trial. Study data are never transposable. Moreover, we are not far from forgery and the use of forgery. Even two bidders on the same mining project will never have the same process, the same recovery yield, the same operating costs, the same capex and the same impurities in the finished product. MMCS was unable to produce a feasibility study.
Extreme caution for the DRC and not blissful optimism

The last hearing took place on Wednesday. Between now and mid-April, a series of activities will take place: the circulation of the transcripts of the pleadings, the transmission of the post-pleading briefs and any replies.
Read also:
Seabed: Assembly calls for international moratorium on mining
It is strongly recommended that COMINIERE be cautious with regard to the "full-contact" that has just taken place. It is certain that MMCS will seek a solution before the sentence. But this stage must be meticulously prepared on the Congolese side by resource persons who master this file. Cabinet Élite has proven that it can do the job well. The government must avoid unnecessarily inflating the team with per diem hunters, careerists, profiteers and calculators as is often the case in Congo.
What do you think Geo the odds of Cominiere being forced by FT to hand over 10% to the state if they are successful leading the way for ML approval ?
FT has now the US affirming financial support for a battery plant in the DRC .
China has not yet indicated a battery plant in DRC .
Tough decisions by FT to improve the economy or keep a few low moral government officials enjoy their jewellery and fine watches .

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What do you think Geo the odds of Cominiere being forced by FT to hand over 10% to the state if they are successful leading the way for ML approval ?
FT has now the US affirming financial support for a battery plant in the DRC .
China has not yet indicated a battery plant in DRC .
Tough decisions by FT to improve the economy or keep a few low moral government officials enjoy their jewellery and fine watches .

S
Hi Whales

I always put a lot of weight on US Sec of State, Antony Blinken's mid-2022 comment that the USA would invest in the DRC when corruption ends. Well it seems that DRC corruption has ended already, and I somehow missed it.

In Dec 2022, the US signed a MOU with Zambia and the DRC to support the creation of a battery supply chain for electric vehicles. The dollar value of the financial support for the DRC's battery plant is not publicly available.

The MOU will support the DRC and Zambia’s goal of building a productive supply chain, from the mine to the assembly line, while also committing to respect international standards to prevent, detect, and take legal action to fight corruption throughout this process.

Let's see where that takes us.

Cheers
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Yes it looks like the Americans are actually getting involved, and thank the gods! Having them around is good for us indeed.

"with the launch of the pre-feasibility study for the installation of the first manufacturing plant for precursors of electric batteries in Lubumbashi..."

Wouldn't that be a dream, we dig up the spod and dump it on a 600KM conveyer belt right to Lubumbashi! With the Americans buying it ;)

But seriously that's a massive cost saving on transport, and we could offer them the best price out of anyone in the world. Win for us, win for them.

I think that was the dream for us years ago right?

Never stop dreaming lads, especially when you're in the trenches.
 
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Can't give the identity away online! ;):ROFLMAO:

That would smash the myth and all would know the band was pretty fucking average.....

Will reveal all when we hit $2........ooops...$12 for Zijin!!!
Oh I'd love to know Nuts!
I was in the cringiest shock/goth metal band back in the 90s, we had heaps of fun though. Had a bit of a name around Melbourne but never made it bigger. Great times.
 
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