AVZ Discussion 2022

Dijon101

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Bit harsh
Nothing wrong with negative posts. TSE is a broad church.
I also think he makes a few good points about accountability,

Bit aggressive? Maybe, but we all have our moments.

It's not a moment, it's all they do.

Appeared 7 weeks ago and all they've done is run their mouth or jumped on board with any post with negative sentiment.

It's up to us to create the site we want and moderate as we see fit. I think troll, and I've ignored as I believe they bring nothing to my experience here.
 
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ptlas

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It's not a moment, it's all they do.

Appeared 7 weeks ago and all they've done is run their mouth or jumped on board with any post with negative sentiment.

It's up to us to create the site we want and moderate as we see fit. I think troll, and I've ignored as I believe they bring nothing to my experience here.
Fair point.

But agree to disagree on this specific issue as I think in this case his reference to accountability was valid.

Cheers.
 
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It's not a moment, it's all they do.

Appeared 7 weeks ago and all they've done is run their mouth or jumped on board with any post with negative sentiment.

It's up to us to create the site we want and moderate as we see fit. I think troll, and I've ignored as I believe they bring nothing to my experience here.

I believe you are spot on @Dijon101. I have thought the same thing for weeks.

I criticised Nigel and the BOD for information that surfaced ahead of, and during the roadshow’s because I believed it was intentionally done to get them through the AGM.

Now it’s time AVZ shareholder’s attacked the real enemy, which is corruption in the DRC, not our managing director. And my own view is to call out Felix’s actions on this rather than insult him for not having a six pack. I’ve given our attorney a bit of stick because he’s getting paid to get the job done, he’s supposedly an expert in mining and other DRC laws, posted a few second rate tweets on our situation and speaks French, so should be able to communicate our situation in a more open and clear manner.

And speaking of foreign languages, it’s looking seriously like the trolls (including some of Eckof’s relatives) are targeting our forum this week.
 
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ptlas

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Das ist halt das Problem mit euch englischen Muttersprachlern.
Ihr nehmt es als Gott-gegeben hin, dass ihr überall auf der Welt mit allen Völkern dieser Erde auf eurer Muttersprache sprechen könnt und dies dann beim Gegenüber voraussetzt. Teilweise sogar so, dass ihr euch nochmal Mühe gebt ohne Slang oder deutlich zu sprechen. No offense!
Ah good old racial stereotypes

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TDITD

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One thing with this 'reshuffle' that is taking an eternity, is if we see it by the end of the month.....well then what?
We are still without ML and without orders on expediting it from above. So they will need to be caught up, also then remain uncorrupted and move faster than Felix (in theory not hard, in practice however) to give us the ML before the death of the star we call the sun. Taking into account our experiences of the path so far it looks like ICC will come first b4 ML as they just can't help themselves.
Does anyone have any thoughts that differ on this ?
 
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One thing with this 'reshuffle' that is taking an eternity, is if we see it by the end of the month.....well then what?
We are still without ML and without orders on expediting it from above. So they will need to be caught up, also then remain uncorrupted and move faster than Felix (in theory not hard, in practice however) to give us the ML before the death of the star we call the sun. Taking into account our experiences of the path so far it looks like ICC will come first b4 ML as they just can't help themselves.
Does anyone have any thoughts that differ on this ?
Spot on.

Known unknowns
Unknown unknowns

I feel like I'm in a lifeboat with a large ship coming to our rescue.

Only problem is the lifeboat is leaking ( money) and I wonder if $$ will be left when the ship arrives or if we will sink first.
 
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Can someone please go back and look at onthefm's post history and tell me if they have added anything to the discussion other than ranting and extreme negativity.

I've had my suspicion since their very first post.
Looks like they forgot to change accounts before answering themselves...
I know onthefm. He's no troll! He's just more bitter than most that his $$ have been tied up in AVZ for approaching 9 months. Br Sparrowhawk
 
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DiscoDanNZ

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My question again is why aren't we getting the ML? What is the legal reason for this?

Firstly I'd like to thank all the other members here for not engaging with this post, however I'm bored and I'd hate for their family to starve due to their poor ability to be paid per post.

Peter Clark, if that is your real name hows about you read back not even 10 pages and see all the discussion about this instead of trying to *innocently* guide the conversation in that direction.
Bit harsh
Nothing wrong with negative posts. TSE is a broad church.
I also think he makes a few good points about accountability,

Bit aggressive? Maybe, but we all have our moments.


Maria,

As this is an English language site in an English speaking country, it may be polite to post in English ( translate before posting) rather than making dozens/hundreds of non-German translate.
Just saying.

I'm pretty sure you have every right to be suspicious of blow in posters that show up after 1113 pages of English (or French translated to English) discussion and post a single line in German. I guess Germans aren't exactly known for their ability to read the room though. Has anyone heard of Deeland? I have no idea why we would be randomly getting German blow ins...

*No offense intended to our long term valued German posters btw.

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Since were perpetuating stereotypes, this is the correct way to introduce yourself as a German

 
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Firstly I'd like to thank all the other members here for not engaging with this post, however I'm bored and I'd hate for their family to starve due to their poor ability to be paid per post.

Peter Clark, if that is your real name hows about you read back not even 10 pages and see all the discussion about this instead of trying to *innocently* guide the conversation in that direction.


I'm pretty sure you have every right to be suspicious of blow in posters that show up after 1113 pages of English (or French translated to English) discussion and post a single line in German. I guess Germans aren't exactly known for their ability to read the room though. Has anyone heard of Deeland? I have no idea why we would be randomly getting German blow ins...

*No offense intended to our long term valued German posters btw.

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Since were perpetuating stereotypes, this is the correct way to introduce yourself as a German


Many moons ago I was in Cologne Germany for a work trip. Late in the day went out walking. I came across a volunteer tour guide on a street corner and ask them what I might do if only had a couple of hours to kill. ”Where is the old part of town and the old buildings?“ I asked. She said “Oh, that was all destroyed during the war”. Quick as a flash. I said “well you shouldn’t have bombed London then!”, and walked off.
I feel a bit bad about that now, but in fairness I was nursing one of the worst hangovers of my life…
 
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cruiser51

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Firstly I'd like to thank all the other members here for not engaging with this post, however I'm bored and I'd hate for their family to starve due to their poor ability to be paid per post.

Peter Clark, if that is your real name hows about you read back not even 10 pages and see all the discussion about this instead of trying to *innocently* guide the conversation in that direction.


I'm pretty sure you have every right to be suspicious of blow in posters that show up after 1113 pages of English (or French translated to English) discussion and post a single line in German. I guess Germans aren't exactly known for their ability to read the room though. Has anyone heard of Deeland? I have no idea why we would be randomly getting German blow ins...

*No offense intended to our long term valued German posters btw.

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Hi Disco, there was a post, can't remember on here or the crapper, by a contributor from Germany with an experience re Deeland.

The story went that they applied to sell a bit over a million shares and got a response back that Deeland only bought parcels in excess of 5 million and the parcel first had to be increased to 5 million shares, with a way how to achieve that.

The general impression was that Deeland was a rip off scheme and should be given the attention it deserved.

That is all I can remember, wasn't that long ago.
I lack the energy to go over all old posts, but am thankful of the info provided.
 
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Frank

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I believe you are spot on @Dijon101. I have thought the same thing for weeks.

I criticised Nigel and the BOD for information that surfaced ahead of, and during the roadshow’s because I believed it was intentionally done to get them through the AGM.

Now it’s time AVZ shareholder’s attacked the real enemy, which is corruption in the DRC, not our managing director. And my own view is to call out Felix’s actions on this rather than insult him for not having a six pack. I’ve given our attorney a bit of stick because he’s getting paid to get the job done, he’s supposedly an expert in mining and other DRC laws, posted a few second rate tweets on our situation and speaks French, so should be able to communicate our situation in a more open and clear manner.

And speaking of foreign languages, it’s looking seriously like the trolls (including some of Eckof’s relatives) are targeting our forum this week.

*Fyi MB, I see where,

Jules Alingete: "Corruption in the DRC has been well fought for three years and its scale is reduced every day"

Corruption in the Democratic Republic of Congo has been well fought for three years and its scale is reduced every day, said Jules Alingete Key, in response to the intervention Albert Zeufack, Director of Operations of the World Bank on the evolution of corruption in the country.

In a press conference in Kinshasa, Albert G. Zeufack, Country Director of the World Bank for Angola, Burundi, the Democratic Republic of Congo, and Sao Tome and Principe, recently hailed the economic upturn in Kinshasa the last two years.

But he did not hide his concern about the extent of corruption in the DRC.

A reading of the situation which did not leave indifferent the Inspector General Head of Department of the IGF, Jules Alingete Key.

The latter severely criticized, this Wednesday, January 25, 2023, the point of view of Albert G. Zeufack.

According to Jules Alingete, the analysis of the head of the World Bank is biased by indicating that "corruption in the DRC is well fought and its scale is reduced every day".

“For three years, the specialized structures relaunched and supported by the President of the Republic Félix Tshisekedi have ensured the regular publication of reports which repress corruption and there is a strong popular appropriation of this fight whereas before the facts of corruption were considered as normal and the population was anesthetized.

There is therefore no reason to minimize this political will and this popular momentum consisting in denouncing and openly repressing corruption by evoking any increase in this phenomenon”, declared the Congolese financial cop.

In the process, Jules Alingete castigates the attitude of the World Bank which, according to him, does not support the control institutions in African countries and seems to ignore the real mechanisms that have led to the vaunted economic upturn.

Convinced that the improvement achieved by the country economically is the combined result of progress made in several areas where revenues have almost doubled, the IGF is also of the opinion that these poor analyzes and approaches of the World Bank and the IMF are the basis of the failure of several economic programs supported by these two international institutions in African countries.

Wondering what Director Zeufack wanted to seek with these statements that take Kinshasa the wrong way, Alingete called on the World Bank "to leave simple office analyzes to internalize the realities on the ground in the Democratic Republic of Congo to better appreciate the efforts made by the structures for the fight against corruption with the support of the President of the Republic Félix Tshisekedi”.

According to this World Bank official, the macroeconomic situation is improving but that of governance, marked by corruption, is “worrying”.

“In 2022, the DRC was the 3rd fastest growing country in Africa (estimated at 6.1%)”, indicated Albert Zeufack, Director of Operations of the World Bank for four African countries.

He also said that the improvement in the macroeconomic situation enabled the country to benefit from budget support from the World Bank in the order of $250 million in June 2022.

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Hi Disco, there was a post, can't remember on here or the crapper, by a contributor from Germany with an experience re Deeland.

The story went that they applied to sell a bit over a million shares and got a response back that Deeland only bought parcels in excess of 5 million and the parcel first had to be increased to 5 million shares, with a way how to achieve that.

The general impression was that Deeland was a rip off scheme and should be given the attention it deserved.

That is all I can remember, wasn't that long ago.
I lack the energy to go over all old posts, but am thankful of the info provided.

I saw that and was going to post it here. It was somewhere on crapper, buried amongst that cunt tolate's garbage posts.

So, the scam is if anyone actually gets all the paperwork done, Deeland then say sorry, your parcel is too small, so please top up by buying the balance off this person (scam holder who wants to quit), then we will accept your offer. Problem would be, if foolish enough, you'd buy off the scammer at EUR 1.05, and probably actually get the shares, but then Deeland would walk away from you with some other excuse

With bargepole, do not touch

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John25

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A few observations and areas for improvement:
  • Wiggle tip: when making door-frames make them higher than your average human.
  • Photo composure tip: don’t put the tallest guy next to the shortest guy
  • Fashion: While most of the world has moved away from double-breasted suits, Felix holds the line. He is his own man - what does that say about him?
  • Those ties: Why is it that only the fucking lawyers know how to tie a double-Windsor knot? Oh the humanity!
  • First warning: C’mon people, someone could have tripped on this power cables. Tape them to the floor, FFS.
Theres a reason why the 2 minions are either side of FT is too build up his ego/stature …
 
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obe wan

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From a german forum:

Deeland news
Deeland's scam is becoming increasingly clear: after I wanted to sell 1.5 million units and had signed the corresponding purchase agreement (which involves no risks, on the contrary: first payment of the purchase price, then transfer of the shares within 6 weeks), I received a call England saying I'm to late. But there are still possibilities if I were to sell 5 million shares (but I only have 3) and there would be the possibility of buying shares through a company from Frankfurt so that the quantity is reached. At this point, investors are supposed to be ripped off, so be careful!

So either you should buy someone's shares so that they have the chance to get out of that shit. Or you pay for shares you never get. I think it’s just the second part.

Shit that it's just a scam, for 1€ I would have sold it at this stupid stage of cluster fuck, I don’t see it coming out of suspension hopefully in the late summer ( Europe summer july/August). But better late than never -.-
Here it is here ; clearly a scam
 
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Frank

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I believe you are spot on @Dijon101. I have thought the same thing for weeks.

I criticised Nigel and the BOD for information that surfaced ahead of, and during the roadshow’s because I believed it was intentionally done to get them through the AGM.

Now it’s time AVZ shareholder’s attacked the real enemy, which is corruption in the DRC, not our managing director. And my own view is to call out Felix’s actions on this rather than insult him for not having a six pack. I’ve given our attorney a bit of stick because he’s getting paid to get the job done, he’s supposedly an expert in mining and other DRC laws, posted a few second rate tweets on our situation and speaks French, so should be able to communicate our situation in a more open and clear manner.

And speaking of foreign languages, it’s looking seriously like the trolls (including some of Eckof’s relatives) are targeting our forum this week.

*To add,

World Bank welcomes macroeconomic progress

The macroeconomic situation in the Democratic Republic of Congo is improving but that of governance, marked by corruption, is "worrying", said a World Bank (WB) official in Kinshasa on Tuesday.

"In 2022, the DRC was the 3rd country with the fastest growth in Africa" (estimated at 6.1%), said at a press conference Albert Zeufack, director of operations of the WB for four African countries. , including the DRC.

"The budget deficit has remained under control, at less than 3%.

Debt is one of the lowest in sub-Saharan Africa, at less than 25% of GDP," he continued, and the inflation is "under control".

"The macroeconomic situation in the DRC continues to improve", he summarized, "which enabled the country to benefit from budget support from the World Bank in the order of 250 million dollars in June 2022".

“We are working on the 2nd tranche of this budget support which, we hope, will be delivered before the end of June,” he added.

Corruption

"Growth is being driven by an upturn in commodity prices," said Mr. Zeufack, but this improvement is also due to "macroeconomic management": "there is clearly something going on, which should be noted".

But, the official continued, "we are also concerned about the governance situation in Congo", as it is "characterised by corruption, which deprives the poor of their development opportunities".

However, the population of the DRC is for the most part very poor.

"We hope that the fight against corruption advocated by the president (Felix Tshisekedi) will accelerate," said Mr. Zeufack.

It is not “international institutions” that can stop corruption, he said, but governments and people.

"We can help governments that want to stop corruption, we are putting tools in place" for that, he added.


Equitable growth

The WB has 25 projects in the DRC, in the areas of human development and sustainable development, infrastructure and equitable growth.

Mr. Zeufack insisted in particular on support from the WB, with an 800 million dollar project, for the free basic education program launched in 2021 by Félix Tshisekedi.

In one year, 3.6 million more students were enrolled in primary schools. However, he underlined, “education is the key to development”.

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Frank

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Economic forum finished a few days ago. Just like everyone of the whispers that people keep hearing, the rumours have once again proven to be unfounded. No change of governing ministers in sights, especially no removal of any of the roadblocks in our way.

The people in the DRC who are directly affected by this impasse should be vocal about all of this. Yet we hear no demonstrations or protests in regards to this. AVZ also silent makes it even more stupid. Only a few journalists speaking on Twitter (the vast majority of the population would have no idea what they even type) have spread any word of our plight.

At what point does AVZ spend a mere fraction of their high legal fees on a public relations push in country? It’s a joke we have stayed quiet for all this time with no progress to be seen or found.

The President only cares about his re-election. So make him care about us by pinning this mining lisence to thousands of votes in the community of Manono and the surrounding communities who would benefit from AVZ.

It’s all a big joke. Overpaid part time management that can’t even tell us what the plan is to break this impasse. Or who is directly responsible for it all.

Economic forum finished a few days ago.

Summit on Agriculture and Agri-food: Felix Tshisekedi already in Dakar

The Head of State Félix Antoine Tshisekedi, arrived this Wednesday, January 25, 2023 in Dakar, Senegal, to participate in the 2nd edition of the Summit on Agriculture and Agri-food.

This summit will be held from January 25 to 27, 2023, under the theme “Feeding Africa: Food Sovereignty and Resilience”.

These meetings will be held at the Abdou Diouf International Conference Center in Diamnadio.

More than 1,500 people are expected, including heads of state and government, ministers in charge of economy and finance, ministers of agriculture and related sectors, governors of central banks, as well as actors private sector, multilateral organizations, non-governmental organizations, leading academics and scientists.


Afrewatch encourages the revision of the Sino-Congolese contract

The NGO African Resources Watch (Afrewatch) encourages the revision of the Sino-Congolese contract.

For this NGO, nothing works in this contract. And if nothing is done by 2034, the DRC risks ending up with public debt.

In 2007, the DRC first signed a loan contract of more than 9 billion US dollars with China.

Renegotiated in 2009, it amounts to 6 billion US dollars.

Half of this amount, namely: 3.2 billion for the creation of Sicomines and 3 billion to build the infrastructure.

5 years later, nothing is going well.

In a report dated 2021, this NGO revealed that the DRC and China have only carried out 50% of their assignments.

To date, the DRC wants to reassess this contract.

Felix Tshisekedi underlined this recently.

Because the DRC did not benefit from this contract.

“The Chinese made a lot of money and made a lot of profit from this contract,” Tshisekedi said in an interview at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland and quoted by Afrewatch.

"Now our need is just to rebalance things so that it becomes a win-win," he added.

Speed up the process

For this NGO, the president of the DRC and his government must accelerate the process of reviewing the Sino-Congolese contract.

For her, it is vital. Because, this will allow the DRC to also benefit instead of paying only the public debt in 2034 “, explains Richard Mukena member of Afrewatch.

For him, this reassessment will allow two things.

First, to review the clauses that disadvantage the DRC.

This is particularly the clause on the public debt.

Indeed, in this contract, if the DRC does not reach its assignments by 2034, the country will have a public debt towards China.

Secondly, according to Richard Mukena, the reassessment will lead to the respect of the remaining clauses.

“Thus, the DRC will finally be able to benefit from the infrastructures as stipulated in the contract”, explains Richard Mukena.

Because for him, at the moment, there have been disbursements from Sicomines, but unfortunately some of them not justified, because the construction of infrastructure is slow.

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World Bank welcomes macroeconomic progress

The macroeconomic situation in the Democratic Republic of Congo is improving but that of governance, marked by corruption, is "worrying", said a World Bank (WB) official in Kinshasa on Tuesday.

"In 2022, the DRC was the 3rd country with the fastest growth in Africa" (estimated at 6.1%), said at a press conference Albert Zeufack, director of operations of the WB for four African countries. , including the DRC.

"The budget deficit has remained under control, at less than 3%.

Debt is one of the lowest in sub-Saharan Africa, at less than 25% of GDP," he continued, and the inflation is "under control".

"The macroeconomic situation in the DRC continues to improve", he summarized, "which enabled the country to benefit from budget support from the World Bank in the order of 250 million dollars in June 2022".

“We are working on the 2nd tranche of this budget support which, we hope, will be delivered before the end of June,” he added.

Corruption

"Growth is being driven by an upturn in commodity prices," said Mr. Zeufack, but this improvement is also due to "macroeconomic management": "there is clearly something going on, which should be noted".

But, the official continued, "we are also concerned about the governance situation in Congo", as it is "characterised by corruption, which deprives the poor of their development opportunities".

However, the population of the DRC is for the most part very poor.

"We hope that the fight against corruption advocated by the president (Felix Tshisekedi) will accelerate," said Mr. Zeufack.


It is not “international institutions” that can stop corruption, he said, but governments and people.

"We can help governments that want to stop corruption, we are putting tools in place" for that, he added.

Equitable growth

The WB has 25 projects in the DRC, in the areas of human development and sustainable development, infrastructure and equitable growth.

Mr. Zeufack insisted in particular on support from the WB, with an 800 million dollar project, for the free basic education program launched in 2021 by Félix Tshisekedi.

In one year, 3.6 million more students were enrolled in primary schools. However, he underlined, “education is the key to development”.

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Thanks for that information Frank…. Of course we all know the World Bank isn’t corrupt!! 😂🤣
 
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Firstly I'd like to thank all the other members here for not engaging with this post, however I'm bored and I'd hate for their family to starve due to their poor ability to be paid per post.

Peter Clark, if that is your real name hows about you read back not even 10 pages and see all the discussion about this instead of trying to *innocently* guide the conversation in that direction.


I'm pretty sure you have every right to be suspicious of blow in posters that show up after 1113 pages of English (or French translated to English) discussion and post a single line in German. I guess Germans aren't exactly known for their ability to read the room though. Has anyone heard of Deeland? I have no idea why we would be randomly getting German blow ins...

*No offense intended to our long term valued German posters btw.

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That’s funny Disco, I always thought he was South African




@Mr Inappropriate, I’ll tell you something about German bombings…. My mum was Belgian, I’ve got a map showing the 8 thousand bombs those cunts dropped on Belgium during the war, including one that dropped when the lady who lived on the opposite side of the street to my mum walked out her front door and was killed by one. No need to feel bad mate

Fuck me, looks like it’s time to get off here for the rest of the fucken day
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With the attitude of “We have the SHs interest at heart” plus “We have the majority of SHs support” this disillusioned BoD wouldnt know which way is forward or backwards …promise last Whine(wine) for the day…mad as fuck having to back to work with literally $$$millions tied up thank to these Kunts
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Back to work John ?

I thought a farmers work never stopped............;)

Have you been slacking off and leaving it to the missus ?...:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 
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