AVZ Discussion 2022

Onthefm

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Sorry but just look at them. Just exudes professionalism. Ah well.
Sorry couldn't help myself.
But that is it
 

pow4ade

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At one point the audience is in focus. Are they mostly journos or politicians??
No, they're Jules field investigators or foot soldiers, shown when he mentioned them.
 
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Trigger warning for all the atheists but the Pope is coming to town. Hopefully Nigel gets a photo with him 🙌

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Frank

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Not sure if this has already been circulated. Jules absolutely feeding it to the crooks.
*Speaking of Crooks, I see where,

Makala Central Prison: altercation between JM Kabund and Fortunat Biselele

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Taken to the central prison of Makala last Friday, January 20, Fortunat Biselele was very badly received by Jean-Marc Kabund who has been there for more than six months.

Sources close to this prison inform us that the two former relatives of President Félix Tshisekedi almost came to blows.

For Kabund, say the same sources, if he finds himself in Makala, it is because of Fortunat Biselele.

The latter was protected by security on the spot, and settled far from pavilion 8 where he should be staying, the same building where JM Kabund is.

It should be remembered that the former first vice-president of the National Assembly had narrowly avoided a lynching on the part of François Beya, when he arrived in this penitentiary center.

In turn, François Beya was not welcome finding Vital Kamerhe in the same place.

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Food for thought on the Days of our DRC Lives :unsure:

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@Xerof…. A little light reading for you Arse, on the Minister of Mines.

I’m not overly interested in her any more but you and I wondered for months who’s side she is on. My last thoughts on her were that she had no prior experience in anything to do with mining, was out of her depth and lacked any sense of authority to act against Mupande and speak up on our behalf.

Hopefully she’s being removed from that position in the new cabinet reshuffle and maybe this is her pat on the back

As you pointed out previously, it looks like Guy Loanda has been moved on from his previous position in cabinet too, another minister you and I long suspected of corruption


Kinshasa, January 23rd, 2023 (CPA) – The woman’s prize was awarded on Friday to the Minister in charge of Mines, Antoinette N’samba Kalambayi, selected among the winners of the « Muana Mboka » Trophy evening organised at the Pullman Hotel in Kinshasa in the Democratic Republic of Congo.

« Her choice was made thanks to her results-oriented management, the Minister of Mines has several achievements to her credit, including the signing of the Inter-ministerial Order on the management of the 0.3% of turnover allocation in favour of local communities impacted by mining activities with her colleague from the Ministry of Social Affairs and Humanitarian Actions, the signing of the second amendment to the contract with the Spanish company X-Calibur for airborne geophysical mapping of the six priority blocks contained in the National Strategic Exploration Plan for the certification of the DRC’s mining reserves and many other achievements », said the organisers of this trophy
 
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Xerof

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Trigger warning for all the atheists but the Pope is coming to town. Hopefully Nigel gets a photo with him 🙌

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I hope he remembers I'll be arriving in Rome 13th February. I haven't made an appointment but I'm sure he'll hear through the grapevine that I'm in town and be ready to crack a Chianti
 
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*Speaking of Crooks, I see where,

Makala Central Prison: altercation between JM Kabund and Fortunat Biselele

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Taken to the central prison of Makala last Friday, January 20, Fortunat Biselele was very badly received by Jean-Marc Kabund who has been there for more than six months.

Sources close to this prison inform us that the two former relatives of President Félix Tshisekedi almost came to blows.

For Kabund, say the same sources, if he finds himself in Makala, it is because of Fortunat Biselele.

The latter was protected by security on the spot, and settled far from pavilion 8 where he should be staying, the same building where JM Kabund is.

It should be remembered that the former first vice-president of the National Assembly had narrowly avoided a lynching on the part of François Beya, when he arrived in this penitentiary center.

In turn, François Beya was not welcome finding Vital Kamerhe in the same place.

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Food for thought on the Days of our DRC Lives :unsure:

Frank :cool:
Tough one to call. While Biselele has the obvious weight, height and reach advantage, Kabund just looks like someone that can throw serious hands. Plus he has 6 months of extra training time on the inside. Kabund in 8 for me.
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Xerof

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@Xerof…. A little light reading for you Arse, on the Minister of Mines.

I’m not overly interested in her any more but you and I wondered for months who’s side she is on. My last thoughts on her were that she had no prior experience in anything to do with mining, was out of her depth and lacked any sense of authority to act against Mupande and speak up on our behalf.

Hopefully she’s being removed from that position in the new cabinet reshuffle and maybe this is her pat on the back

As you pointed out previously, it looks like Guy Loanda has been moved on from his previous position in cabinet too, another minister you and I long suspected of corruption


Kinshasa, January 23rd, 2023 (CPA) – The woman’s prize was awarded on Friday to the Minister in charge of Mines, Antoinette N’samba Kalambayi, selected among the winners of the « Muana Mboka » Trophy evening organised at the Pullman Hotel in Kinshasa in the Democratic Republic of Congo.


Mate, I've formed a view she's not corrupt, just incompetent when it comes to following the Mining Code. I know a few (Jens eg) think she's the bee knees, but let's see what happens.

On the other hand, the only competition for the 'woman's prize' might have been the green mamba, so she would win by default

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bloke383

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Mate, I've formed a view she's not corrupt, just incompetent when it comes to following the Mining Code. I know a few (Jens eg) think she's the bee knees, but let's see what happens.

On the other hand, the only competition for the 'woman's prize' might have been the green mamba, so she would win by default

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Wasn't it the MoM who introduced AJN (?) back into the mix quite some time ago . She made a statement along the lines of " I know they have had a bad reputation in the past , but rest assured I've done my due diligence and everything will be ok with them form now on " . Can anyone else recall if this was the case ?
 
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j.l

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Kiki Kienge is generally "pro AVZ", but these recent tweets and replies make it sound as though he's wearing down too.

Always hard to know with Twitter though - short, translated phrases quickly become cryptic.

Apologies for format, hard to screen grab and translate tweets coherently, especially on the phone.

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wombat74

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MoM is obviously useless . Not peep out of her since she awarded the Decree . Very sus .
 
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BEISHA

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Wasn't it the MoM who introduced AJN (?) back into the mix quite some time ago . She made a statement along the lines of " I know they have had a bad reputation in the past , but rest assured I've done my due diligence and everything will be ok with them form now on " . Can anyone else recall if this was the case ?

Africa Intelligence is a great website for information but I don’t subscribe to any websites so I can’t remember if the following link is the one you are referring to:

 
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bloke383

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My mistake , once again , it was .... MoP , of course


“Why go with AJN? For many people, it does not have a good reputation but know that I had time to study and put all the mechanisms so that we cannot fall into nebulous management and there had at least two meetings of the Council of Ministers where I had presented the very first time, the option was lifted from the creation of CONGO RESSOURCES and the second time when the Council authorized me to draw this partnership with AJN” , she reassured.
 
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BEISHA

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I don't recall anything about 'ML should wait until the ICC arbitrations comes to a conclusion too' being said at the AGM. There's nothing in the notes I have. May have been mentioned and I missed it.

Someone posted here or on the crapper that Nigel was asked at one of the roadshows if it was better to not trade after Dathcom receives the ML until all of the ownership is sorted and he responded with something along the lines of 'that's the first time I've heard that shareholders would be okay with that'.

As for a potential Plan B, I'm sure the board have contingencies for all possible scenarios. But there will be no deal with Zijin under any circumstances. They would have been a great partner if they went about things in the right way.

But now the lion won't let any of the jackals anywhere near the pride lands imo

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" Someone posted here or on the crapper that Nigel was asked at one of the roadshows if it was better to not trade after Dathcom receives the ML until all of the ownership is sorted and he responded with something along the lines of 'that's the first time I've heard that shareholders would be okay with that'. "

Yes, that statement is the correct one, it was mentioned at the AGM, just got my wires slightly crossed.

cheers.
 
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j.l

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That was quite a depressing read.
Yes, it worries me, but I guess it's only one view.

At the moment my concern is that IGF and ICC can make rulings and findings, but they can't/don't act or enforce them.

Responsibility for action sits with the polllies and bureaucrats. That's where lobbying and personal connections win out, and why it's so crucial for BoD to be over there... To me that's the key lesson learned from the COVID absence of 2020-21, and where Klaus trumps AVZ.
 
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Dijon101

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Yes, it worries me, but I guess it's only one view.

At the moment my concern is that IGF and ICC can make rulings and findings, but they can't/don't act or enforce them.

Responsibility for action sits with the polllies and bureaucrats. That's where lobbying and personal connections win out, and why it's so crucial for BoD to be over there... To me that's the key lesson learned from the COVID absence of 2020-21, and where Klaus trumps AVZ.
Educate me here.

What's the point of going to the ICC if they can't enforce rulings??

Is it just to add weight to pollies and bureaucrats decisions??

I mean hypothetically IGF, ICC, the ministerial decree for awarding of ML all in AVZ's favour. Surely the balance of opinion and more importantly the law are all in AVZ's favour.

If the mining license is still not awarded after all this then surely this puts investment in the DRC at risk? As it shows the DRC is still ruled by corruption.

Investment from Japan, USA, Australia, Europe all gone. Is this not why twiggy was meeting with Felix? Investment in the DRC. Has not Felix been reviewing all exploitation licenses ?
Working and meeting with USA gov officials, changing the cabinet. I'd say this is all to change the systematic corruption, promote investment and drag the DRC out of poverty. (And moving away from the reliance of Chinese money)

No doubt it's a shit show, as is Africa in general. Blood diamonds, tribal conflict, scarce food and water resources, extreme poverty, corruption from the very top to the corrupt cop on the street corner.

I mean lithium could do to Africa what oil did to the middle east. Or am I completely wrong/naive and AVZ and the DRC are completely fucked, forever indebted, forever bound to corruption and poverty?
 
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wombat74

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Educate me here.

What's the point of going to the ICC if they can't enforce rulings??

Is it just to add weight to pollies and bureaucrats decisions??

I mean hypothetically IGF, ICC, the ministerial decree for awarding of ML all in AVZ's favour. Surely the balance of opinion and more importantly the law are all in AVZ's favour.

If the mining license is still not awarded after all this then surely this puts investment in the DRC at risk? As it shows the DRC is still ruled by corruption.

Investment from Japan, USA, Australia, Europe all gone. Is this not why twiggy was meeting with Felix? Investment in the DRC. Has not Felix been reviewing all exploitation licenses ?
Working and meeting with USA gov officials, changing the cabinet. I'd say this is all to change the systematic corruption, promote investment and drag the DRC out of poverty. (And moving away from the reliance of Chinese money)

No doubt it's a shit show, as is Africa in general. Blood diamonds, tribal conflict, scarce food and water resources, extreme poverty, corruption from the very top to the corrupt cop on the street corner.

I mean lithium could do to Africa what oil did to the middle east. Or am I completely wrong/naive and AVZ and the DRC are completely fucked, forever indebted, forever bound to corruption and poverty?
Unless the corrupt players are removed the ICC process is a waste of time and money . The problem is those that are in favour of AVZ have no power .
 
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