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Trigger warning for all the atheists but the Pope is coming to town. Hopefully Nigel gets a photo with him 🙌

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Not sure if this has already been circulated. Jules absolutely feeding it to the crooks.
*Speaking of Crooks, I see where,

Makala Central Prison: altercation between JM Kabund and Fortunat Biselele

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Taken to the central prison of Makala last Friday, January 20, Fortunat Biselele was very badly received by Jean-Marc Kabund who has been there for more than six months.

Sources close to this prison inform us that the two former relatives of President Félix Tshisekedi almost came to blows.

For Kabund, say the same sources, if he finds himself in Makala, it is because of Fortunat Biselele.

The latter was protected by security on the spot, and settled far from pavilion 8 where he should be staying, the same building where JM Kabund is.

It should be remembered that the former first vice-president of the National Assembly had narrowly avoided a lynching on the part of François Beya, when he arrived in this penitentiary center.

In turn, François Beya was not welcome finding Vital Kamerhe in the same place.

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Food for thought on the Days of our DRC Lives :unsure:

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@Xerof…. A little light reading for you Arse, on the Minister of Mines.

I’m not overly interested in her any more but you and I wondered for months who’s side she is on. My last thoughts on her were that she had no prior experience in anything to do with mining, was out of her depth and lacked any sense of authority to act against Mupande and speak up on our behalf.

Hopefully she’s being removed from that position in the new cabinet reshuffle and maybe this is her pat on the back

As you pointed out previously, it looks like Guy Loanda has been moved on from his previous position in cabinet too, another minister you and I long suspected of corruption


Kinshasa, January 23rd, 2023 (CPA) – The woman’s prize was awarded on Friday to the Minister in charge of Mines, Antoinette N’samba Kalambayi, selected among the winners of the « Muana Mboka » Trophy evening organised at the Pullman Hotel in Kinshasa in the Democratic Republic of Congo.

« Her choice was made thanks to her results-oriented management, the Minister of Mines has several achievements to her credit, including the signing of the Inter-ministerial Order on the management of the 0.3% of turnover allocation in favour of local communities impacted by mining activities with her colleague from the Ministry of Social Affairs and Humanitarian Actions, the signing of the second amendment to the contract with the Spanish company X-Calibur for airborne geophysical mapping of the six priority blocks contained in the National Strategic Exploration Plan for the certification of the DRC’s mining reserves and many other achievements », said the organisers of this trophy
 
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Xerof

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Trigger warning for all the atheists but the Pope is coming to town. Hopefully Nigel gets a photo with him 🙌

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I hope he remembers I'll be arriving in Rome 13th February. I haven't made an appointment but I'm sure he'll hear through the grapevine that I'm in town and be ready to crack a Chianti
 
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*Speaking of Crooks, I see where,

Makala Central Prison: altercation between JM Kabund and Fortunat Biselele

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Taken to the central prison of Makala last Friday, January 20, Fortunat Biselele was very badly received by Jean-Marc Kabund who has been there for more than six months.

Sources close to this prison inform us that the two former relatives of President Félix Tshisekedi almost came to blows.

For Kabund, say the same sources, if he finds himself in Makala, it is because of Fortunat Biselele.

The latter was protected by security on the spot, and settled far from pavilion 8 where he should be staying, the same building where JM Kabund is.

It should be remembered that the former first vice-president of the National Assembly had narrowly avoided a lynching on the part of François Beya, when he arrived in this penitentiary center.

In turn, François Beya was not welcome finding Vital Kamerhe in the same place.

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Food for thought on the Days of our DRC Lives :unsure:

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Tough one to call. While Biselele has the obvious weight, height and reach advantage, Kabund just looks like someone that can throw serious hands. Plus he has 6 months of extra training time on the inside. Kabund in 8 for me.
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Xerof

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@Xerof…. A little light reading for you Arse, on the Minister of Mines.

I’m not overly interested in her any more but you and I wondered for months who’s side she is on. My last thoughts on her were that she had no prior experience in anything to do with mining, was out of her depth and lacked any sense of authority to act against Mupande and speak up on our behalf.

Hopefully she’s being removed from that position in the new cabinet reshuffle and maybe this is her pat on the back

As you pointed out previously, it looks like Guy Loanda has been moved on from his previous position in cabinet too, another minister you and I long suspected of corruption


Kinshasa, January 23rd, 2023 (CPA) – The woman’s prize was awarded on Friday to the Minister in charge of Mines, Antoinette N’samba Kalambayi, selected among the winners of the « Muana Mboka » Trophy evening organised at the Pullman Hotel in Kinshasa in the Democratic Republic of Congo.


Mate, I've formed a view she's not corrupt, just incompetent when it comes to following the Mining Code. I know a few (Jens eg) think she's the bee knees, but let's see what happens.

On the other hand, the only competition for the 'woman's prize' might have been the green mamba, so she would win by default

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Mate, I've formed a view she's not corrupt, just incompetent when it comes to following the Mining Code. I know a few (Jens eg) think she's the bee knees, but let's see what happens.

On the other hand, the only competition for the 'woman's prize' might have been the green mamba, so she would win by default

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Wasn't it the MoM who introduced AJN (?) back into the mix quite some time ago . She made a statement along the lines of " I know they have had a bad reputation in the past , but rest assured I've done my due diligence and everything will be ok with them form now on " . Can anyone else recall if this was the case ?
 
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Kiki Kienge is generally "pro AVZ", but these recent tweets and replies make it sound as though he's wearing down too.

Always hard to know with Twitter though - short, translated phrases quickly become cryptic.

Apologies for format, hard to screen grab and translate tweets coherently, especially on the phone.

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MoM is obviously useless . Not peep out of her since she awarded the Decree . Very sus .
 
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Wasn't it the MoM who introduced AJN (?) back into the mix quite some time ago . She made a statement along the lines of " I know they have had a bad reputation in the past , but rest assured I've done my due diligence and everything will be ok with them form now on " . Can anyone else recall if this was the case ?

Africa Intelligence is a great website for information but I don’t subscribe to any websites so I can’t remember if the following link is the one you are referring to:

 
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My mistake , once again , it was .... MoP , of course


“Why go with AJN? For many people, it does not have a good reputation but know that I had time to study and put all the mechanisms so that we cannot fall into nebulous management and there had at least two meetings of the Council of Ministers where I had presented the very first time, the option was lifted from the creation of CONGO RESSOURCES and the second time when the Council authorized me to draw this partnership with AJN” , she reassured.
 
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I don't recall anything about 'ML should wait until the ICC arbitrations comes to a conclusion too' being said at the AGM. There's nothing in the notes I have. May have been mentioned and I missed it.

Someone posted here or on the crapper that Nigel was asked at one of the roadshows if it was better to not trade after Dathcom receives the ML until all of the ownership is sorted and he responded with something along the lines of 'that's the first time I've heard that shareholders would be okay with that'.

As for a potential Plan B, I'm sure the board have contingencies for all possible scenarios. But there will be no deal with Zijin under any circumstances. They would have been a great partner if they went about things in the right way.

But now the lion won't let any of the jackals anywhere near the pride lands imo

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" Someone posted here or on the crapper that Nigel was asked at one of the roadshows if it was better to not trade after Dathcom receives the ML until all of the ownership is sorted and he responded with something along the lines of 'that's the first time I've heard that shareholders would be okay with that'. "

Yes, that statement is the correct one, it was mentioned at the AGM, just got my wires slightly crossed.

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That was quite a depressing read.
Yes, it worries me, but I guess it's only one view.

At the moment my concern is that IGF and ICC can make rulings and findings, but they can't/don't act or enforce them.

Responsibility for action sits with the polllies and bureaucrats. That's where lobbying and personal connections win out, and why it's so crucial for BoD to be over there... To me that's the key lesson learned from the COVID absence of 2020-21, and where Klaus trumps AVZ.
 
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Yes, it worries me, but I guess it's only one view.

At the moment my concern is that IGF and ICC can make rulings and findings, but they can't/don't act or enforce them.

Responsibility for action sits with the polllies and bureaucrats. That's where lobbying and personal connections win out, and why it's so crucial for BoD to be over there... To me that's the key lesson learned from the COVID absence of 2020-21, and where Klaus trumps AVZ.
Educate me here.

What's the point of going to the ICC if they can't enforce rulings??

Is it just to add weight to pollies and bureaucrats decisions??

I mean hypothetically IGF, ICC, the ministerial decree for awarding of ML all in AVZ's favour. Surely the balance of opinion and more importantly the law are all in AVZ's favour.

If the mining license is still not awarded after all this then surely this puts investment in the DRC at risk? As it shows the DRC is still ruled by corruption.

Investment from Japan, USA, Australia, Europe all gone. Is this not why twiggy was meeting with Felix? Investment in the DRC. Has not Felix been reviewing all exploitation licenses ?
Working and meeting with USA gov officials, changing the cabinet. I'd say this is all to change the systematic corruption, promote investment and drag the DRC out of poverty. (And moving away from the reliance of Chinese money)

No doubt it's a shit show, as is Africa in general. Blood diamonds, tribal conflict, scarce food and water resources, extreme poverty, corruption from the very top to the corrupt cop on the street corner.

I mean lithium could do to Africa what oil did to the middle east. Or am I completely wrong/naive and AVZ and the DRC are completely fucked, forever indebted, forever bound to corruption and poverty?
 
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Educate me here.

What's the point of going to the ICC if they can't enforce rulings??

Is it just to add weight to pollies and bureaucrats decisions??

I mean hypothetically IGF, ICC, the ministerial decree for awarding of ML all in AVZ's favour. Surely the balance of opinion and more importantly the law are all in AVZ's favour.

If the mining license is still not awarded after all this then surely this puts investment in the DRC at risk? As it shows the DRC is still ruled by corruption.

Investment from Japan, USA, Australia, Europe all gone. Is this not why twiggy was meeting with Felix? Investment in the DRC. Has not Felix been reviewing all exploitation licenses ?
Working and meeting with USA gov officials, changing the cabinet. I'd say this is all to change the systematic corruption, promote investment and drag the DRC out of poverty. (And moving away from the reliance of Chinese money)

No doubt it's a shit show, as is Africa in general. Blood diamonds, tribal conflict, scarce food and water resources, extreme poverty, corruption from the very top to the corrupt cop on the street corner.

I mean lithium could do to Africa what oil did to the middle east. Or am I completely wrong/naive and AVZ and the DRC are completely fucked, forever indebted, forever bound to corruption and poverty?
Unless the corrupt players are removed the ICC process is a waste of time and money . The problem is those that are in favour of AVZ have no power .
 
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Educate me here.

What's the point of going to the ICC if they can't enforce rulings??

Is it just to add weight to pollies and bureaucrats decisions??

I mean hypothetically IGF, ICC, the ministerial decree for awarding of ML all in AVZ's favour. Surely the balance of opinion and more importantly the law are all in AVZ's favour.

If the mining license is still not awarded after all this then surely this puts investment in the DRC at risk? As it shows the DRC is still ruled by corruption.

Investment from Japan, USA, Australia, Europe all gone. Is this not why twiggy was meeting with Felix? Investment in the DRC. Has not Felix been reviewing all exploitation licenses ?
Working and meeting with USA gov officials, changing the cabinet. I'd say this is all to change the systematic corruption, promote investment and drag the DRC out of poverty. (And moving away from the reliance of Chinese money)

No doubt it's a shit show, as is Africa in general. Blood diamonds, tribal conflict, scarce food and water resources, extreme poverty, corruption from the very top to the corrupt cop on the street corner.

I mean lithium could do to Africa what oil did to the middle east. Or am I completely wrong/naive and AVZ and the DRC are completely fucked, forever indebted, forever bound to corruption and poverty?
The ICC can't make any binding or enforceable decisions on the government of the DRC. All we can hope for is that the corrupt sections of the government are forced by public and international pressure to implement the decision. The IGF is a government body that reports to the President. If the government chooses to ignore the IGF there's not much we can do. We have a government in Victoria that continually ignores public & investigative bodies. If it can happen here, it can very easily happen in DRC.
 
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Very Interesting Beisha,
My thoughts (I'm being very loose with the word thoughts) are as follows :

That Plan B you so pleasantly projectile vomited through the screen and directly into my eyes and open mouth as my jaw had hit the floor, has evoked the words "Zijin get fucked"
This was my initial thought, upon reflection I can see the error of my ways and so "Zijin can go fuck themselves vigorously with a large rusty morning-star dipped lovingly in acid, the cunts"

On every single metric Zijin have failed the test, they cannot, simply cannot be trusted and more importantly allowed to have even half a percent in this project. They will lie, cheat, steal, con, bribe and god knows what else to get what they want. Not a good partner to co-own the largest hard rock mine on the planet with.

With Felix finally moving with determination and showing every part the rapid acceleration of a stoned tortoise while pulling out his finger from rectum to move on corruption within Government to sign off on changing up Lukondes special cesspit of corruption (yet we are supposed to believe he is clean :unsure:).
These new snack-searchers coming in should basically know the score.
Therefore, one would reasonably expect there to be more support for the ML being granted and less support for Mupande, i.e Mamba gone. A new MOP together with the MOM making shit happen to get the ML, I'm thinking along the lines of suspend CAMI DG like has been done before, an within that small timeframe before he is once again brought back by Lukonde we have the feted ML in our hands. A plan B should in theory only be required if Mupande can't be removed, or convinced to stop with the snacks for just this one project.

Plan B should at this stage not be required good sir!

However I will play your evil game, but I will keep that dirty dirty word Zijin out of my mouth

PBP - Bellator 279: Cyborg vs. Blencowe 2, Sat. 4/23, 8:30 PM ET/5:30 ...



PLAN B

Wait for ICC while cutting spending to essentials. BOD pay-cut 50% till ML (a gesture if nothing else).



Now I'm off to brush my teeth and use some mouthwash to get the taste of vomit out of my mouth, oh look a piece of carrot.

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just read this back an its not so cohesive, apologies I have the missus whinging at me to hurry up as apparently, I have to watch a movie.
My sincere apologies if my PLAN B makes you puke, i said it wouldnt be popular and trust me, the thought of going into bed with Zijin is my least preferred option, but if i had to make a choice between that and AVZ still stuck in the mud come election time, then i choose the former.......;)

Thru my lense atm, FT aint guranteed of re election, not by a long shot....... simply re arranging his ministry cabinet aint going to cut the mustard, frankly, that should of been done in 2019/2020 at the very latest, surely he would of known that there were were heaps of corrupt fuckers there thru the previous regime of Kabila, yet he sat on his fucking hands until now .......NOT FUCKING GOOD ENUFF !!!

IGF report has been circulating thru the system since May / June 2022 , it supports AVZ position clearly, yet FT sits on his fucking hands once again, 8 months on..........NOT FUCKING GOOD ENUFF !!!

FT is a great talker, how many seminars is it now where he states... "DRC is the mineral solution, open for business "

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What a fucking nerve of the prick when the solution ( AVZ MANONO ) has been left out to dry and in moth balls !

Millions upon millions of dollars of wasted opportunity whilst he sits on his fat arse deliberating.......meanwhile his populace is starving to death..............NOT FUCKING GOOD ENUFF !

As i said many times, FT needs to be bold and ACT on his promises of extinguishing corruption and providing his people with a better life, he needs to ACT on the IGF report and grant AVZ the ML ...NOW, so that AVZ can ACT on construction, so that the populace can see that FT is more than just a GUNNA, GUNNA.

Then and only then will he have a great chance of re election come December.

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