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does anyone know how many how many Shuttle PC development kits we had to sell (sold out on website) and Akida Development Kits (Raspberry Pi) to sell (also sold out), and therefore how much revenue that should reflect in the quarterly ?

also fingers crossed we sell out the Akida edge AI boxs and PCI boards soon.... any idea how many of them are available?



thank you :) :)

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I think this we will see on the quarterly reports. We tried it one time to find it out in Germany with the development kit. Some people bought one and we hoped to see it based in the invoice number. But it doesn’t worked out. Anyway I think it’s a good sign. But it’s already sold out for weeks
 
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I'd like to see you buy and sell higher or lower than the market decides. I didn't say what the market is made up off and if there is manipulation. We can all think BRN is the bees knees, but we can only sell and buy what the market price is.
I don't think your reply makes any sense Skutza.
I didn't myself say, I could buy or sell at a different value, to a stock's current share price..

Your statement, of "The Market is always right" which is often used and originates from a famous trader, is simply wrong, in the meaning it evokes.

It only makes sense to me, reworded as "The Market is what it is".
Sounds familiar 🤔..

To use the word "right" and attach some kind of intelligence to the "Market" is where you are wrong, in my opinion and what FactFinder's post, that you originally referenced, had said.

But then, I think you are just parroting an old "incorrect" saying, as fact.

This article explains it better than me and is more along the lines, of what I think.


The link may not work, as now behind a paywall (although I read it, I don't pay for information/opinion).
But if you Google the title

Markets can be wrong and the price is not always right

It should come up and be readable at least once..
 
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Question on BRN breaking out of NDAs silence .

At what point will BRN be included in discussions concerning Neuromorphic Compute with their partners in the commodity arena.

It is clear across the board Neuromorphic commute is being implemented and is going to be a huge part of the future of the edge market and soon in data centres as well.

Will we ever be included in these discussions with the likes of Dell, Nivida, Apple 🍎 , Sony, Samsung ext ext or will we always be in the back ground hiding from the masses as the integral part of development that’s not to be mentioned outside of podcasts.

It seems everyone gets their name discussed on a daily basis regarding edge compute and we don’t.

I am on BRN side 100% yet want to understand this question more clearly as all I hear is others names and not ours everyday.

Honest question 🙋‍♂️?
Actually there are a lot of publications mentioning brainchips akida. We have to understand, brainchip is a component… not a company like apple dell Sony. Etc. do you know all components in the products of this company? I think most important is, this companies know us. And I’m sure they do know us! ☝️👍
 
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Actually there are a lot of publications mentioning brainchips akida. We have to understand, brainchip is a component… not a company like apple dell Sony. Etc. do you know all components in the products of this company? I think most important is, this companies know us. And I’m sure they do know us! ☝️👍
Publications that include BRN as partners in commodities ?. That’s is my question.
Ian fully aware of publications that talk of Brainchip however that was not my question.
As for the components comment this sounds like we will be included in this basket of no you will never know unfortunately .

Hopefully not tho I would love someone to scream BRN from the roof tops as their secret sauce to success.
 
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does anyone know how many how many Shuttle PC development kits we had to sell (sold out on website) and Akida Development Kits (Raspberry Pi) to sell (also sold out), and therefore how much revenue that should reflect in the quarterly ?

also fingers crossed we sell out the Akida edge AI boxs and PCI boards soon.... any idea how many of them are available?



thank you :) :)

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Sold out could also means company does not want to manufacture and sell the product again.
 
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Publications that include BRN as partners in commodities ?. That’s is my question.
Ian fully aware of publications that talk of Brainchip however that was not my question.
As for the components comment this sounds like we will be included in this basket of no you will never know unfortunately .

Hopefully not tho I would love someone to scream BRN from the roof tops as their secret sauce to success.
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Actually there are a lot of publications mentioning brainchips akida. We have to understand, brainchip is a component… not a company like apple dell Sony. Etc. do you know all components in the products of this company? I think most important is, this companies know us. And I’m sure they do know us! ☝️👍
I asked the following question to Tony today….

Would it be possible to revisit a follow up discussion with Dell on a podcast to keep us updated to their and our opportunities ?.

Tony said he would pass it on to sales and marketing. It would be nice to hear how they are progressing if possible.
 
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Who want to make the first comment on this like “brainchip inside?” Or “rob likes it” 😅
I guess in the future, once we get over this doubt hill, once a financial report lights up ( hopefully this quarter) the questions will be …..not if we are inside these products, rather how fast does everyone think this share price will increase each quarter with so many ions in the fire 🤔.
 
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does anyone know how many how many Shuttle PC development kits we had to sell (sold out on website) and Akida Development Kits (Raspberry Pi) to sell (also sold out), and therefore how much revenue that should reflect in the quarterly ?

also fingers crossed we sell out the Akida edge AI boxs and PCI boards soon.... any idea how many of them are available?



thank you :) :)

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Hi Hoohoo,

The kits that are sold out are not physically sold out.

At these prices 5000 and 10000 included so many hours of engineering support.

The availability of these people is in short supply so the items are sold out.

I guess the employees are busier on other projects and they are unable to meet the customer's request hence sold out.

Hope that helps but if you want some chips possibly contact the company but you may be on your own.

Cheers
 
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I don't think your reply makes any sense Skutza.
I didn't myself say, I could buy or sell at a different value, to a stock's current share price..

Your statement, of "The Market is always right" which is often used and originates from a famous trader, is simply wrong, in the meaning it evokes.

It only makes sense to me, reworded as "The Market is what it is".
Sounds familiar 🤔..

To use the word "right" and attach some kind of intelligence to the "Market" is where you are wrong, in my opinion and what FactFinder's post, that you originally referenced, had said.

But then, I think you are just parroting an old "incorrect" saying, as fact.

This article explains it better than me and is more along the lines, of what I think.


The link may not work, as now behind a paywall (although I read it, I don't pay for information/opinion).
But if you Google the title

Markets can be wrong and the price is not always right

It should come up and be readable at least once..
Hi DB:

What do you think the BoD currently ranks our share price as???

Don't go off half cocked, think about it.

I don't ask dumb questions.....usually
 
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Hi DB:

What do you think the BoD currently ranks our share price as???

Don't go off half cocked, think about it.

I don't ask dumb questions.....usually
Not sure if that's a loaded question FJ 🤔..

I think the Company's position (as Sean has recently stated) is that we are undervalued.
 
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Not sure if that's a loaded question FJ 🤔..

I think the Company's position (as Sean has recently stated) is that we are undervalued.
Yes. Having the inside knowledge of all the NDAs probably led to that conclusion.
 
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Hi DB:

What do you think the BoD currently ranks our share price as???

Don't go off half cocked, think about it.

I don't ask dumb questions.....usually
I can stab a guess as I had an exchange about price Value with TD a while ago when we where 30 cent before the drop to 15.

We agreeded the MB spike was inflated and when we were in the 30s the price what below value of what the BoD felt value was this was pre 2.0 release.

Obviously it's a loaded question what BRN IP and patents are worth.

The value could change significantly over night but again we do not know who they are talking with and what level of $ they are looking at.

My evaluation for the company on what it should be worth is 60 to 70 cents possibly little more when the risk on bet is happening.
But currently the money is willing to pay 30 cents and yes there are sellers at those prices.

It's like if 10 people bought a car at 10k and the next year one is willing to sell their cat at 4k cause they need money does that make the rest of the cars worth 4 k or did that buyer get a deal. I would say that the rest of the cars values are 7k taking g depreciation into account. So unfortunately the last sale says the cars are 4 k but if the 9 others don't sell themed do a bank loan and list assets well they say 7k right.

So my valuation is based on IP value and what this technology is worth. The revenue traction well you will see when it does finally take off we should see some sp uplift.

The biggest thing in our favour is that the technology industry is recognising Neuromorphic computing SNN more often. There is a need.

I was researching the LLM and how promt engineering worked with LLM and the numerous networks really show how our technology can compliment the then future.

I see that the delay in adoption was not necessarily BRN failures but that the general market did not see the need for the benefits as the competion was not racing to improve stuff. With these complex LLM the efficiency requirements are so much more important then a doorbell or a camera.
 
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Not sure if that's a loaded question FJ 🤔..

I think the Company's position (as Sean has recently stated) is that we are undervalued.
Yes DB, it is a Loaded question.

Well, sort of........

I want answers,
 
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I can stab a guess as I had an exchange about price Value with TD a while ago when we where 30 cent before the drop to 15.

We agreeded the MB spike was inflated and when we were in the 30s the price what below value of what the BoD felt value was this was pre 2.0 release.

Obviously it's a loaded question what BRN IP and patents are worth.

The value could change significantly over night but again we do not know who they are talking with and what level of $ they are looking at.

My evaluation for the company on what it should be worth is 60 to 70 cents possibly little more when the risk on bet is happening.
But currently the money is willing to pay 30 cents and yes there are sellers at those prices.

It's like if 10 people bought a car at 10k and the next year one is willing to sell their cat at 4k cause they need money does that make the rest of the cars worth 4 k or did that buyer get a deal. I would say that the rest of the cars values are 7k taking g depreciation into account. So unfortunately the last sale says the cars are 4 k but if the 9 others don't sell themed do a bank loan and list assets well they say 7k right.

So my valuation is based on IP value and what this technology is worth. The revenue traction well you will see when it does finally take off we should see some sp uplift.

The biggest thing in our favour is that the technology industry is recognising Neuromorphic computing SNN more often. There is a need.

I was researching the LLM and how promt engineering worked with LLM and the numerous networks really show how our technology can compliment the then future.

I see that the delay in adoption was not necessarily BRN failures but that the general market did not see the need for the benefits as the competion was not racing to improve stuff. With these complex LLM the efficiency requirements are so much more important then a doorbell or a camera.
In the last few years, the AI field has seen the most rapid advancement in technology ever.
Concepts and prototypes are obsolete before they are set in silicon.

The basic concept of the neuron has shifted from analog to digital, although many persist with analog.

On-chip learning has altered the concept of retraining.

In quick succession we've seen LSTM, attention, transformers, ViT, ...

This is a dizzying rate of change of basic functions which has outstripped the ability to timely manufacture the functions in silicon.

And then, of course, there is Chat GPT ...

While these ideas can be implemented in software, there's many a slip between CPU and SoC.

Akida itself has gone from single bit to 4-bit, to 8-bit compatibility. It flirted with LSTM but now has ViT and the proprietary TeNNs, which we are told is even better than the basic digital SNN implementation of Akida 1000 with its secret sauce, which is still at the leading edge of COTS SOTA.

Akida is not some mere appendage to the AGI revolution - it is the optimal gateway between the real-world and the cyberverse.

Akida is surfing the tidalwave of the technologically disruptive earthquake.

So yes, $2.34 may have been overpriced based on income - it is insignificant when based on potential.


Note: This is not investment advice - it is the distillation of shiraz and hot crossed buns (with lashings of butter).
 
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Sorry if posted before

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Total NDA's now 9!
 
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Yes DB, it is a Loaded question.

Well, sort of........

I want answers,
I'm guessing the overriding question is... When...?..

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Like the sand through the hourglass, so they go..
 
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In the last few years, the AI field has seen the most rapid advancement in technology ever.
Concepts and prototypes are obsolete before they are set in silicon.

The basic concept of the neuron has shifted from analog to digital, although many persist with analog.

On-chip learning has altered the concept of retraining.

In quick succession we've seen LSTM, attention, transformers, ViT, ...

This is a dizzying rate of change of basic functions which has outstripped the ability to timely manufacture the functions in silicon.

And then, of course, there is Chat GPT ...

While these ideas can be implemented in software, there's many a slip between CPU and SoC.

Akida itself has gone from single bit to 4-bit, to 8-bit compatibility. It flirted with LSTM but now has ViT and the proprietary TeNNs, which we are told is even better than the basic digital SNN implementation of Akida 1000 with its secret sauce, which is still at the leading edge of COTS SOTA.

Akida is not some mere appendage to the AGI revolution - it is the optimal gateway between the real-world and the cyberverse.

Akida is surfing the tidalwave of the technologically disruptive earthquake.

So yes, $2.34 may have been overpriced based on income - it is insignificant when based on potential.


Note: This is not investment advice - it is the distillation of shiraz and hot crossed buns (with lashings of butter).
Dio I agree the valuation is limitless if things go the right direction and im not an expert to give a value of BRN my value priced with now forward looking statement.

The interesting part is none of the holders Peter, Anil, Dimitro and the Osserieran's never sold shares so you need to look are why not clearly if BRN was a pumped hype stock these significant holders would have cashed in and moved on they been around longer then a year at that point lol. They did not sell why well they must value the shares higher then that or see future value north of that.

I know some wl say Peter sold share what he sold is insignificant to his holding and some if the sale was a donation.

You are also correct how fast things progress it's nuts.

My hope is we gain strong traction in the LLM sector and at that point current revenue will be second thought when the market sees that potential.
 
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Just on LLM.

Happy Easter as well to those that celebrate it.

Appears Microsoft researching 1-bit LLM.

Will this be of benefit to us and our 1-bit edge learning layer where inputs and weights are 1-bit...or am I on the wrong thinking. @Diogenese

In the below they seem to think neuromorphic architectures would excel with it.



The Future of AI Efficiency: 1-Bit LLMs Explained​


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Published Mar 26, 2024
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Have you ever wondered how much energy training a powerful language model takes? The answer might surprise you. A single training run can gulp down an astounding five megawatt-hours of electricity, equivalent to the annual consumption of several American households. As AI continues to evolve, this energy footprint becomes a pressing concern. The hefty energy demands of training LLMs strain budgets and resources. Cloud providers, research institutions, and even society feel the impact. 1-bit LLMs, with their dramatic efficiency gains, offer a path toward lower costs and a greener future for AI.
The world of large language models (LLMs) constantly evolves, pushing the boundaries of what AI can achieve. Enter 1-bit LLMs, a groundbreaking innovation from Microsoft that promises a significant leap forward in efficiency and accessibility. But what challenges do 1-bit LLMs aim to solve, and why is it a game-changer?
The Challenge: LLM Gluttony
Despite their impressive capabilities, current LLMs have a significant drawback: they are resource-hungry beasts. Training and running these models require massive computational power and electricity. Most commonly, contemporary LLMs from various players like OpenAI (GPT-3), Google (LaMDA, PaLM, Gemini), Meta (LLaMA), and Anthropic (Claude) utilize 32-bit floating-point precision for their parameters. This high precision allows for complex calculations and nuanced representations within the model, but it comes at a cost – immense computational resources.
Microsoft's Ingenious Solution: The 1-Bit LLM
Microsoft researchers introduced the concept of 1-bit LLMs, a novel architecture that utilizes a single binary digit (0 or 1) for each parameter within the model. This minor change dramatically reduces the memory footprint and computational requirements compared to traditional LLMs.
Why 1-Bit LLMs Matter
The efficiency gains of 1-bit LLMs open doors to exciting possibilities:

  • Democratization of AI: By lowering the resource barrier, 1-bit LLMs make AI technology more accessible to smaller companies and researchers who may not have access to robust computing infrastructure.
  • Wider deployment: The reduced footprint allows deployment of on-edge devices with limited resources, paving the way for on-device AI applications.
  • Increased scalability: The efficiency gains enable training even larger and more powerful LLMs without encountering insurmountable resource constraints.

Technical Deep Dive
Quantization Techniques:
Large Language Models (LLMs) traditionally rely on high-precision numbers (often 32-bit floating-point) to represent the vast amount of information they learn. Quantization is a technique for reducing the number of bits used for these parameters, leading to a smaller model footprint and lower computational demands. 1-bit LLMs represent the most extreme form of quantization, using a single bit (0 or 1) for each parameter. This significantly reduces the model size and computational needs compared to conventional LLMs.
Training Challenges:
Training 1-bit LLMs presents unique challenges compared to traditional models. One hurdle is the need for specialized training algorithms that can effectively learn with such limited precision. Existing training algorithms designed for high-precision models may not translate well to the binary world of 1-bit LLMs. Additionally, achieving convergence during training can be more difficult due to the limited representational capabilities of 1-bit parameters. Researchers are actively developing new training methods to address these challenges and unlock the full potential of 1-bit LLMs.
Comparison with Recent Work:
Microsoft recently introduced a significant advancement in 1-bit LLM research with BitNet b1.58. This variant utilizes a ternary system, assigning values of -1, 0, or 1 to each parameter. This offers a slight increase in representational power compared to the pure binary system of traditional 1-bit LLMs. Interestingly, BitNet b1.58 achieves performance on par with full-precision models while maintaining significant efficiency gains in terms of memory footprint and computational requirements. This development highlights the ongoing research efforts and promising future of 1-bit LLM technology.
Beyond Efficiency: Use Cases and Algorithm Advancements
The benefits of 1-bit LLMs extend beyond just resource savings. They can potentially:

  • Boost performance in specific tasks: The 1-bit representation's inherent simplicity might improve performance in applications like text classification or sentiment analysis.
  • Drive advancements in hardware design: The unique requirements of 1-bit LLMs could inspire the development of specialized hardware architectures optimized for their efficient operation.

Further Exploration: Hardware Advancements on the Horizon
The unique, binary nature of 1-bit LLMs could inspire the development of specialized hardware architectures beyond traditional CPUs and GPUs. Here are some potential areas of exploration for major chipmakers:

  • In-Memory Computing: Companies like Intel, with its "Xeon with Optane DC Persistent Memory," and Samsung, with its "Processing-in-Memory" (PIM) solutions, are exploring architectures that move computations closer to the memory where data resides. This could prove highly beneficial for 1-bit LLMs, as frequent memory access for parameter updates is crucial. The goal: significantly reduce latency and improve overall processing efficiency.
  • Neuromorphic Computing: Inspired by the human brain, neuromorphic chips attempt to mimic the structure and function of biological neurons. Companies like IBM with their TrueNorth and Cerebras Systems with their Wafer-Scale Engine are leaders in this field. Neuromorphic architectures could excel at the low-precision, binary operations that 1-bit LLMs rely on. The goal: achieve ultra-low power consumption while maintaining high performance for specific AI tasks.
  • Specialized Logic Units (SLUs): These custom-designed circuits could be tailored to handle the mathematical operations of 1-bit LLM training and inference. Companies like Google with their Tensor Processing Units (TPUs) and Nvidia with their Tensor Cores have experience in this area. The goal is to achieve significant performance gains and lower power consumption than general-purpose CPUs or GPUs for 1-bit LLM tasks.

These potential hardware advancements and ongoing research in 1-bit LLM algorithms hold promise for creating a new generation of efficient and powerful AI models.
Weighing the Pros and Cons
While 1-bit LLMs offer compelling advantages, there are potential drawbacks to consider:

  • Potential accuracy trade-offs: Depending on the specific task, using a single bit might lead to a slight decrease in accuracy compared to higher-precision models.
  • New research is needed: Optimizing training algorithms and techniques for 1-bit LLMs is an ongoing area of study.

Limitations and the Road Ahead
1-bit LLMs are still in their initial stages of development, and there are limitations to address:

  • Task-specific optimization: Identifying the tasks and applications where 1-bit LLMs excel requires further research.
  • Fine-tuning techniques: Developing effective methods for fine-tuning 1-bit LLMs for specific tasks is crucial for achieving optimal performance.

The Future of 1-Bit LLMs
The emergence of 1-bit LLMs signifies a significant step towards more efficient and accessible AI. While challenges remain, the potential for broader deployment, lower resource consumption, and even performance improvements in specific tasks make 1-bit LLMs a technology worth watching closely. As research progresses, we can expect 1-bit LLMs to play a transformative role in democratizing AI and unlocking their full potential.
Educational Resources:


Akida layers​

The sections below list the available layers for Akida 1.0 and Akida 2.0. Those layers are obtained from converting a quantized model to Akida and are thus automatically defined during conversion. Akida layers only perform integer operations using 8-bit or 4-bit quantized inputs and weights. The exception is FullyConnected layers performing edge learning, where both inputs and weights are 1-bit.
 
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