Fair enough. It's not a hill I'd die on either way.
AVZ Discussion 2022
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Fair enough. It's not a hill I'd die on either way.
Everything in this sordid affair is out of the presidents hands and / or his cohorts, it's in the lap of the highest courts in the world, nothing we say on this forum or on twitter is going to make a difference regards to " pulling the plug " cause it's out of their hands too. So in that regard, no harm or foul in protesting / applying pressure to the corruptors and reminding them factually that they can't get away with ripping innocent coy like Avz and their shareholders interest.
I would fully agree with your argument, if the Drc govt was still in deliberations with Dathcom jv regards to awarding the ML imminently but clearly that isn't the case, cause AVZ have now taken the whole government to the ICSD, which is rather damning.
Us shareholders have done the stiff upper lip for well over 12 months, hoping that method would allow common sense to prevail, now, it's gloves off.
I liken the AVZ protestors on twitter, to the protest marches you see constantly in Australia, whereby nurses, police , transport workers etc fight for better pay and conditions...most of the time it works very effectively.
As long as the protests are respectful and highlight the facts, then there is no come backs.
Sometimes the quiet way is ineffective cause the bullies feel empowered to continue if not challenged, so a peaceful protest is the next best thing.
Fighting back to protect one's interest is perfectly fine by me.
Imo of course.
Agree !
If you're on twitter or wherever banging those keys, stirring the nest, then you may wish to consider just how good entering an unwinnable war may be for you personally.
We've had a few meltdowns here and I think it's fair to say that they've been met with supportive comments.
Twitter is different.
As Beish say's, keep it respectful - for your own wellbeing - and don't really expect it to change anything very much.
But if it does, then great.
A few posters come here with what prove to be very over-optimistic 'insights'. Maybe they could consider what effect that may have on very stressed shareholders.
Hint: It really doesn't help.
So now the west is allegedly lining up to source critical minerals from all over the world. Weren't they already??
Don't get your hopes up just yet as FT is only interested in being re-elected. Promises, promises.
And when you'e all down next week, I'll be positive as a counter balance.
Agree 100% mate.
If you're on twitter or wherever banging those keys, stirring the nest, then you may wish to consider just how good entering an unwinnable war may be for you personally.
We've had a few meltdowns here and I think it's fair to say that they've been met with supportive comments.
Twitter is different.
As Beish say's, keep it respectful - for your own wellbeing - and don't really expect it to change anything very much.
But if it does, then great.
A few posters come here with what prove to be very over-optimistic 'insights'. Maybe they could consider what effect that may have on very stressed shareholders.
Hint: It really doesn't help.
So now the west is allegedly lining up to source critical minerals from all over the world. Weren't they already??
Don't get your hopes up just yet as FT is only interested in being re-elected. Promises, promises.
And when you'e all down next week, I'll be positive as a counter balance.
Just as nobody in their right mind makes an investment decision based on anonymous Twitter or TSE posts, so too with corrupt government officers. No DRC officer is influenced by, or acts as a result of anonymous Twitter posts or any other posts.
They do it because they are directed to do it by their equally corrupt superiors, or because they are powerful enough to get away with it.
Fighting back to protect one's interest is perfectly fine by me also.
Cheers
F
They do it because they are directed to do it by their equally corrupt superiors, or because they are powerful enough to get away with it.
Fighting back to protect one's interest is perfectly fine by me also.
Cheers
F
Melbourne shareholder catchup.
Guys and girls, I’ve been chatting to one of the shareholders from the last roadshow. He’s a good contributor on here. We are going to have a catch-up soon in melbourne with a few other holders. Not sure on date or venue but we are based near Essendon airport so likely this side of town or maybe closer to CBD.
There’s a few of you who I chatted to last time that I would like to catch up with. We were among the small group that hung about downstairs after the last roadshow.
If anyone is interested in having a few beers, sharing their theories. and having a laugh, feel free to direct message me. It can be a good opportunity to vent your frustrations.
Don’t expect to hear any “inside info” as i don’t believe anyone has any of value, even the regular Twitter guys.
For context I have been on AVZ for about 4 to 5 years, feels like 45 years. Holding about 1.5m shares.
All welcome, even those Trolls on here who feel the need to kick their fellow Australians while they are down, as I am sure you have nothing better to do.
Guys and girls, I’ve been chatting to one of the shareholders from the last roadshow. He’s a good contributor on here. We are going to have a catch-up soon in melbourne with a few other holders. Not sure on date or venue but we are based near Essendon airport so likely this side of town or maybe closer to CBD.
There’s a few of you who I chatted to last time that I would like to catch up with. We were among the small group that hung about downstairs after the last roadshow.
If anyone is interested in having a few beers, sharing their theories. and having a laugh, feel free to direct message me. It can be a good opportunity to vent your frustrations.
Don’t expect to hear any “inside info” as i don’t believe anyone has any of value, even the regular Twitter guys.
For context I have been on AVZ for about 4 to 5 years, feels like 45 years. Holding about 1.5m shares.
All welcome, even those Trolls on here who feel the need to kick their fellow Australians while they are down, as I am sure you have nothing better to do.
Retrobyte
Hates a beer
Are you certain those deliberations are not ongoing?
What if the legal action is part of an agreed process to reach a conclusion?
I've said my bit today, mainly because of the now daily and repetitive shitstream in my AVZ Twitter feed. I know there are a number of fatigued and fed up holders here (as I am as well, having been a holder since July 2017) and while some of us still have some confidence based on our network intel, others have that fatigue rusted on and just want retribution - I know what I post here won't change anybody's position. At the end of the day we are all in this together (except for the trolls and lurking spies) so I wish all the best to all holders for a favourable outcome ... imminently
The great thing about this forum is that we can all have difference of opinion and debate accordingly with respect, I know where you are coming from Retro and I respect your opinion, as you say, we are all stuck in the mud together, we all wish for the best outcome, that's the most important thing here, for the record, I ain't fatigued and I ain't out for retribution per se, just completely pissed off and want what's rightfully ours either via a ML or a decent TO proposal.
My patience has run out and I hate farken bullies!!!!
BTW, when is the next AGM?
You better believe I will be back to torment NF once again with incisive questions...
Imo
Sparrowhawk12
Regular
Can someone please give me a short/any URL to the IGF report on Manono? Tx Sparrowhawk12
Think of it another way.
The DRC, Felix etc don't intend to give us anything, or they would have already.
Z and C are also waging a misinformation campaign, including on social media.
There are multiple cases between these parties and AVZ in multiple courts.
We need to wage a campaign to correct misinformation for the same reasons they are spreading it.
1. To ensure our version of events is known for our own reputation in the business community, our industry sector, and for future potential parters (mining, customers and financial)
2. To add to pressure from the people mentioned above re: any future investment plans in the DRC to assist with any negotiations that might be ongoing. Any free ride for Z and C to tell their own lies uncountered cannot be a good thing for us.
3. To let the DRC know that we aren't going to just roll over for an easy settlement in return for dropping any cases, as we believe we are in the right.
No doubt Felix and DRC officials aren't happy about what is posted, and Felix probably doesn't read the volume of posts tagged to him.
However, journalists, investors and others do read social media. Let's not give Z and C a free run, and let's not let corrupt actors remain in the shadows.
Corrupt actors may still get away with their actions if we continue posting. If we don't, they definitely will.
The DRC, Felix etc don't intend to give us anything, or they would have already.
Z and C are also waging a misinformation campaign, including on social media.
There are multiple cases between these parties and AVZ in multiple courts.
We need to wage a campaign to correct misinformation for the same reasons they are spreading it.
1. To ensure our version of events is known for our own reputation in the business community, our industry sector, and for future potential parters (mining, customers and financial)
2. To add to pressure from the people mentioned above re: any future investment plans in the DRC to assist with any negotiations that might be ongoing. Any free ride for Z and C to tell their own lies uncountered cannot be a good thing for us.
3. To let the DRC know that we aren't going to just roll over for an easy settlement in return for dropping any cases, as we believe we are in the right.
No doubt Felix and DRC officials aren't happy about what is posted, and Felix probably doesn't read the volume of posts tagged to him.
However, journalists, investors and others do read social media. Let's not give Z and C a free run, and let's not let corrupt actors remain in the shadows.
Corrupt actors may still get away with their actions if we continue posting. If we don't, they definitely will.
Sparrowhawk12
Regular
Found it easy on https://igf.gouv.cd/rapports
I don't necessarily agree that if Felix wanted to give us something he would have. He could have dynamic information in regard to AVZ, some of that being negative misinformation. He might also be trying to let the system work on its own, not a good look for an anti corruption player to come in and just stamp his will on who gets licences. We also don't know where AVZ ranks on his list of issues, while I'd speculate it would be high, that's information we don't know.
He could also just be corrupt. Couldn't tell you.
MoneyBags1348
Top 20
Next thing you’ll be telling us this isn’t youSparrowhawk12
Regular
Thanks MB. Found that too but way too long. I been v v busy for last week. But I've just merged parts of your thesis into my short single tweet format. Now to post to all your buddies at DRC Mining Week 2023 ... right now.
Felix either can't or won't help. I don't care if he's corrupt or impotent, the result is the same. Misinformation and attacks on AVZ spread all over the internet (and then to mainstream media) while AVZ are becalmed waiting for a license despite following DRC law and expending funds to prove the resource.
We can either sit by while the misinformation spreads and Rome burns, or we can counter the misinformation.
Those saying doing so is counterproductive cannot have it both ways.
If stating facts publicly can have a negative effect from hurting DRC feelings, it can also have a positive effect by correcting misinformation in the public domain.
People are taking notice, or they aren't.
If the DRC and Felix haven't addressed this by now (for whatever reason), then we have an indeterminate timeframe to let this crap continue to be published unchallenged, or correct it.
Don't get me wrong, all for the campaign.
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