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AVZ Discussion 2022
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Mr Inappropriate
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Noting that the translation is a little awkward...
Is this the new roadblock?
Hopefully only applies to new applications.
On the bright side, they’re clearly going after the dodgy stuff from the past - King Cong comes to mind
I read it as probably applying to AVZ's ML application. Given that the ML has already been through ministerial hands it may be that we now also need to go via the "National Agency for the Protection of State Property Heritage". Not sure how I feel about that - on one hand it might provide a smoother path that has the backing of the Prez, but on the other hand going through an additional governance body without the appropriate legislative framework in place that opens yet another avenue for malicious actors to mess around with it.
If it's a new body and we have to go through it, they will take ages to work out their processes, governance arrangements, decision-making rights, and that needs appropriate legislative support. And that assumes the members are all on the straight and narrow. Having written that, I hope it does not apply to us.
I have no idea when this shit show ends. I should really stop thinking about it...
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Sparrowhawk12
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Nice find Sam. "... just deleted the 2 tweets about Dangote and $AVZ"
What des Africa's richest man, Aliko Dangote, have to do with AVZ???
Bin59
Regular
From the Minutes -
4. A Bill for the Land Affairs sector (01 text)
The Minister of Land Affairs submitted to the Council the Draft Law amending and supplementing Law No. 73-021 of July 20, 1973 on the general property regime, land and real estate regime and security regime, as amended and supplemented to date .
Referring to the fundamental options maintained in this amended text, he cited in particular the principle of exclusive, inalienable and imprescriptible ownership of the State over the soil and, consequently, the domiciliation of all Congolese land, divided into of the public domain and those of the private domain of the State, on the other hand and, in urban land and rural land, on the other hand.
In addition to the rewriting of certain articles for the need of precision, coherence and adaptation in relation to the legal-institutional evolution resulting from the Constitution of February 18, 2006 and subsequent specific legal texts, this bill includes sixteen (16) innovations including:
- The coherent arrangement of competences between the national, provincial and Decentralized Territorial Entities levels given that the management of the land sector falls under concurrent competences between the national Government and the provinces and that certain matters have been defined as falling within the exclusive competence provinces;
- The incorporation of regimes specific to usufruct, use and habitation and the complement of the device of land easements;
- The abolition of the payment of land royalties in kind;
- Reinforcement of the conditions for access to the function of registrar of real estate titles or Head of Division of the cadastre, as well as the introduction of criminal and civil liability of the Curator of Real Estate Deeds, the Head of Division of the cadastre and Agents under their authority for all faults committed in the exercise of their functions;
- Reinforcement of the conditions for access to the function of registrar of real estate titles or Head of Division of the cadastre, as well as the introduction of criminal and civil liability of the Curator of Real Estate Deeds, the Head of Division of the cadastre and Agents under their authority for all faults committed in the exercise of their functions;
- Reinforcement of the system of offenses in land and real estate matters and the volume of penalties applicable thereto.
Consequently, this text constitutes the legal framework in accordance with the orientations and guidelines of the National Land Policy approved by the Council of Ministers during its meeting of April 15, 2022.
After debate and deliberations, the Council adopted this Bill. Started at 12:40 p.m., the meeting of the Council of Ministers ended at 5:55 p.m.
4. A Bill for the Land Affairs sector (01 text)
The Minister of Land Affairs submitted to the Council the Draft Law amending and supplementing Law No. 73-021 of July 20, 1973 on the general property regime, land and real estate regime and security regime, as amended and supplemented to date .
Referring to the fundamental options maintained in this amended text, he cited in particular the principle of exclusive, inalienable and imprescriptible ownership of the State over the soil and, consequently, the domiciliation of all Congolese land, divided into of the public domain and those of the private domain of the State, on the other hand and, in urban land and rural land, on the other hand.
In addition to the rewriting of certain articles for the need of precision, coherence and adaptation in relation to the legal-institutional evolution resulting from the Constitution of February 18, 2006 and subsequent specific legal texts, this bill includes sixteen (16) innovations including:
- The coherent arrangement of competences between the national, provincial and Decentralized Territorial Entities levels given that the management of the land sector falls under concurrent competences between the national Government and the provinces and that certain matters have been defined as falling within the exclusive competence provinces;
- The incorporation of regimes specific to usufruct, use and habitation and the complement of the device of land easements;
- The abolition of the payment of land royalties in kind;
- Reinforcement of the conditions for access to the function of registrar of real estate titles or Head of Division of the cadastre, as well as the introduction of criminal and civil liability of the Curator of Real Estate Deeds, the Head of Division of the cadastre and Agents under their authority for all faults committed in the exercise of their functions;
- Reinforcement of the conditions for access to the function of registrar of real estate titles or Head of Division of the cadastre, as well as the introduction of criminal and civil liability of the Curator of Real Estate Deeds, the Head of Division of the cadastre and Agents under their authority for all faults committed in the exercise of their functions;
- Reinforcement of the system of offenses in land and real estate matters and the volume of penalties applicable thereto.
Consequently, this text constitutes the legal framework in accordance with the orientations and guidelines of the National Land Policy approved by the Council of Ministers during its meeting of April 15, 2022.
After debate and deliberations, the Council adopted this Bill. Started at 12:40 p.m., the meeting of the Council of Ministers ended at 5:55 p.m.
cruiser51
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Dangote amongst others is a cement company and uses horizontal rotating kilns to manufacture cement.
They operate approximately 20 cement plants in Central Africa.
One would say they would have some experience in operating horizontal kilns.
AVZ/Dathcom needs a horizontal kiln(s) to produce PLS, so not too odd if AVZ is talking with Dangote.
Maybe AVZ handballs the construction and operation of the lithium ore processing plant to Dangote.
Just a thought.
TDITD
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Unfortunately I don’t have family out that way.Oh I agree mate, but Zijin ( china state owned ) aka ICC arbitration aka snacks with cominiere was where i was coming from ......
I should have been more specific.
CDL in my eyes is more valuable than Roche Dure ( 3+ times larger ) and yes of course, Nigel needs to fight hard to retain that prize in its entirety.
I really dont care what DRC / CAMI do with any other tenements AVZ might have..........RD + Tin + CDL is all we need to be a monster for many moons to come
PLL is a interesting development thats for sure.
God i would love to be a fly in the inner sanctum.
imo
Sammy_da_Smile
Regular
Cool thanks!
Sammy_da_Smile
Regular
If corruption is not involved then i'll be gobsmackedMaybe he 'actually' knows why?
antimatter
Regular
What AVZ means is the long term (not fair weather) shareholders. Their decision will be based on what will benefit AVZ in 3-5 years time, not when the trading resume, whenever it may be. In the short term, I hope the SP will get to the ATH again so that recent punters can get out and you can lower your holding. If not, so be it as Nigel is going long.
Frank
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Welcome to the TSE and the DRC Days of our Lives, where some days are Darker than others and some are like Groundhog Day
Resignation of Vidiye Tshimanga: ACAJ recommends to the Prosecutor at the Court of Cassation to order a credible and exhaustive judicial investigation
The Congolese Association for Access to Justice (ACAJ) recommends to the Prosecutor at the Court of Cassation to order a credible and exhaustive judicial investigation into the facts underlying the resignation of Vidiye Tshimanga, former strategic adviser to the Chief of State.
The NGO ACAJ also asks the Chief of Staff of the President of the Republic to put in place a zero tolerance policy with a view to eliminating all the bad apples that are still lurking in the corridors of the Presidency of the Republic and use their position to exert pressure and/or influence peddling to satisfy their selfish interests.
ACAJ believes that Vidiye Tshimanga is to be congratulated because he is among the few politicians in office who decided to step down following a politico-financial scandal brought to the attention of the public.
"By this fact, he administers the proof that he is a statesman and republican, respectful of the person of the Head of State whom he is called upon to serve, even outside the institutions".
The observation that emerges from this bundle of clues is that, far from being a trivial fact, the remarks attributed to Mr. Vidiye are likely to be criminal, adds Me Georges Kapiamba, national president of the ACAJ.
And to conclude: "The fight against corruption, influence peddling, embezzlement and money laundering, constitutes the barometer through which the action of those in power is gauged".
mediacongo
Welcome to the Club Roon
Cheers
Frank
Samus
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"ACAJ believes that Vidiye Tshimanga is to be congratulated because he is among the few politicians in office who decided to step down following a politico-financial scandal brought to the attention of the public.Welcome to the TSE and the DRC Days of our Lives, where some days are Darker than others and some are like Groundhog Day
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Resignation of Vidiye Tshimanga: ACAJ recommends to the Prosecutor at the Court of Cassation to order a credible and exhaustive judicial investigation
The Congolese Association for Access to Justice (ACAJ) recommends to the Prosecutor at the Court of Cassation to order a credible and exhaustive judicial investigation into the facts underlying the resignation of Vidiye Tshimanga, former strategic adviser to the Chief of State.
The NGO ACAJ also asks the Chief of Staff of the President of the Republic to put in place a zero tolerance policy with a view to eliminating all the bad apples that are still lurking in the corridors of the Presidency of the Republic and use their position to exert pressure and/or influence peddling to satisfy their selfish interests.
ACAJ believes that Vidiye Tshimanga is to be congratulated because he is among the few politicians in office who decided to step down following a politico-financial scandal brought to the attention of the public.
"By this fact, he administers the proof that he is a statesman and republican, respectful of the person of the Head of State whom he is called upon to serve, even outside the institutions".
The observation that emerges from this bundle of clues is that, far from being a trivial fact, the remarks attributed to Mr. Vidiye are likely to be criminal, adds Me Georges Kapiamba, national president of the ACAJ.
And to conclude: "The fight against corruption, influence peddling, embezzlement and money laundering, constitutes the barometer through which the action of those in power is gauged".
mediacongo
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Welcome to the Club Roon
Cheers
Frank
"By this fact, he administers the proof that he is a statesman and republican, respectful of the person of the Head of State whom he is called upon to serve, even outside the institutions"."
Hero of the people!
Winenut
GO AVZ!!!!
Really??"ACAJ believes that Vidiye Tshimanga is to be congratulated because he is among the few politicians in office who decided to step down following a politico-financial scandal brought to the attention of the public.
"By this fact, he administers the proof that he is a statesman and republican, respectful of the person of the Head of State whom he is called upon to serve, even outside the institutions"."
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Hero of the people!
Winenut
GO AVZ!!!!
Der Geist
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Anyone else have an opinion here?
I’d like to think AVZ can shackle together a team for a 2mtpa start up moving quickly to 4 and 10 with. I’m not going to try to elaborate how - there some here who can do that better,
In 2019, I do know Hennie Faul of Anglo America was proposed as a chairman for AVZ before John Clarke emerged. It was considered he would be too expensive, but also that he changed his mind? Was it that an ‘Springbok’ would rub Congolese the wrong way?
What it did demonstrate was that Manono could attract the best in the industry to have a crack.
Some may have heard FMG wanted the mining license. And Twiggy was cooking the phone lines to Kinshasa
The fact is, despite my doubts on going to mine it is conceivable that it can be done without relying too much on the assets of Chinese partners. As much as I like the Chinese work ethic, politics is problematic
Der Geist
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Chinese symbols are good. Easy to weed out the Anglophone stuff. Browsers now offer auto translation- have you noticed?Hi All
Fuck me............feels like a bunsen burner in this forum atm........
I may as well add to the fire.........
MYSOGYNY ?
Give me a break, when that was mentioned, i looked back on all the posts and couldnt find squat........am i to assume feelings were hurt when @JAG sent another girly pic ?
Like many on this forum , i am a male, have a wife and a daughter, so by me giving JAG a " like " for a gorgeous girl, does that make me a mysogynist ?
I have much respect for the female brigade as i am sure everyone here does, feel utterly disgusted that in the great nation of OZ, that 1 in 3 females get domestically abused.........
So to even up the score
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Enjoy ladies...........
@Der Geist , @R2D2
Whats with the chinese symbols ?............wtf ?
Not being discrimintory , cause i have alot of chinese clients, some are also mates, but considering chinese state backed coys like Zijin ( amongst others ) plus Cong are the core evil in this ROYAL SHIT SHOW aka @John25 , i consider that to be a red flag to a bull in the TSE AVZ community.....
I reckon @The Fox has nailed the current situation succinctly, this is completely out of Nigels hands this royal shit show, probably the reason why a whole heap of " deadlines " havnt been met in the past either........
Should Nigel have been a little bit more transparent with shareholders / ASX about a possible shit storm brewing ?.............possibly, or possibly not, like i said in a previous post, if Nigel did allude, then AVZ SP might have tanked regardless...........markets hate ambiguity !
Damned if you do, damned if you dont.
Given what we know now with all this corruption shit, i reckon he has done a hell of a job to navigate AVZ to the ML decree stage..........
Easy to criticise, but what a unforgiving job having to deal with corrupt DRC officials plus back stabbing chinese coy looking to take away your prized possessions that you have worked your tits off to achieve !!
It reminds me when i was a kid when i won the 14 & under state tennis title, i received this awesome trophy, i was proud as punch.........only to then have that taken away from me due to a mistake and was handed another trophy that looked like a door stop..............
Anyway..............another extended suspension........
But.......there is hope.
" The company is confident of a positive outcome for its share holders , resulting in the re-instatement of trading in its securities. "
Nigel wouldnt make such a comment if indeed it wasnt true....
I reckon @Nellie17 and @The Fox have been on the money all along............just not the time lines.
I reckon Felix is finally showing his true colours.
All the jigsaw pieces i read from the great sleuths in this forum point to a positive outcome.
But i will only believe its TRUE..............once that formal ASX announcement drops on the 10/10 or earlier.
Stay strong my brothers and sisters................party time may not be that far away.
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Mr Inappropriate
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How many major producers were not once explorers - not many I’d wager? This is literally a one-in-a-lifetime opportunity to build something of massive global importance as well as life changing for us holders. AVZ don’t have to be good at mining (yet). They need to be smart. They need to be very good recruiters, and very good at picking the right logistics/specialist/delivery partners. It will be hard going, but I really want them to roll up the sleeves and get on with it.
Bring it.
Bray
Regular
Personally as much as I’d love to see AVZ ‘build a mine’ I don’t see it happening.
The shear amount of infrastructure and planning is huge. Then the procedures, permits etc
This would be a great opportunity for BHP, RIO, Glencore to become a partner and help produce the actual mine, years of experience in planning and design, the money to back it, global connections..
The shear amount of infrastructure and planning is huge. Then the procedures, permits etc
This would be a great opportunity for BHP, RIO, Glencore to become a partner and help produce the actual mine, years of experience in planning and design, the money to back it, global connections..
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