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jtardif999

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Seems ChatGPT agrees that we're in with a pretty good chance too. That is IF Altman and Ive’s new device is meant to operate continuously, privately, and intelligently at the edge without cloud dependence.

The final recommendation states "If the product blends all three functions — which seems likely — BrainChip Akida is the most versatile choice today due to its:
  • Commercial availability
  • On-chip learning
  • Ability to handle both audio and vision"

To be honest though, I think that if we were going to be a contender for this new device, I would have expected to sense much more of an excited and confident "vibe" emanating from the Board at the recent AGM. I mean they're expecting it to ship 100 million of these devices in 2026 if I'm not mistaken.



ChatGPT said:​

Yes, several other emerging technologies could potentially power a compact, privacy-focused, cloud-independent AI device like the one being developed by Sam Altman and Jony Ive, offering similar or complementary capabilities to BrainChip’s Akida neuromorphic processor. Here are the main contenders:

🔹 1. Mythic Analog Matrix Processors (AMP)

  • How it works: Uses analog computing-in-memory to perform neural network operations directly where data is stored, minimizing data movement.
  • Strengths:
    • Very low power consumption
    • High-speed processing suited for edge AI
    • Compact form factor
  • Use case: Ideal for smart sensors, AR/VR glasses, and real-time voice/image processing

🔹 2. GrAI Matter Labs – GrAI VIP

  • Type: Brain-inspired processor using sparsity-driven processing
  • Features:
    • Event-driven computation
    • Prioritizes only relevant data (like Akida)
    • Optimized for real-time AI at the edge
  • Strengths:
    • Ultra-low latency
    • Energy-efficient
  • Use case: Robotics, autonomous systems, wearables

🔹 3. Edge TPUs (Google Coral)

  • Architecture: Custom ASICs optimized for TensorFlow Lite models
  • Strengths:
    • Easy integration with Google AI ecosystem
    • Real-time inferencing with low power draw
  • Limitations:
    • More rigid; not capable of on-device learning (unlike Akida)
    • Better suited for inferencing than training

🔹 4. Syntiant NDP Series (Neural Decision Processors)

  • Type: Deep learning processors designed for always-on applications
  • Strengths:
    • Consumes microwatts of power
    • Highly efficient for audio and sensor processing
    • Tiny form factor (suitable for earbuds, wearables)
  • Use case: Wake-word detection, voice commands, health monitoring

🔹 5. IBM NorthPole

  • Type: Advanced neuromorphic architecture integrating memory and compute
  • Highlights:
    • Breaks von Neumann bottleneck
    • Designed for high-throughput, low-latency AI at edge
  • Status: Still in research/prototype stages

🔹 6. Intel Loihi 2 (Neuromorphic)

  • Advantages:
    • Second-gen neuromorphic chip
    • Supports learning on-chip
    • Better scalability and flexibility than Loihi 1
  • Use case: Real-time adaptation, robotics, industrial applications

🔹 7. Tenstorrent (RISC-V + AI)

  • Founded by Jim Keller, their chips combine traditional processing with AI accelerators.
  • Edge-ready options: Though mostly datacenter-focused now, Tenstorrent has roadmap items for edge deployment using RISC-V-based inference.

Summary Table:​

TechnologyTypeOn-Device LearningPower EfficiencyMaturitySuitable Use Case
BrainChip AkidaNeuromorphic✅✅CommercialAudio, vision, always-on inference
Mythic AMPAnalog compute❌✅Early stageVision, industrial sensors
GrAI VIPSparse compute✅✅Pre-commercialReal-time robotics, AR
Google Edge TPUASIC❌✅CommercialVoice/image inference
Syntiant NDPNeural DSP❌✅✅CommercialAudio, keyword spotting
Loihi 2Neuromorphic✅✅ExperimentalCognitive tasks, adaptive systems
IBM NorthPoleNeuromorphic✅✅ResearchGeneral edge AI


Final Thought:​

If Altman and Ive’s device is meant to operate continuously, privately, and intelligently at the edge without cloud dependence, then BrainChip Akida, GrAI VIP, or Loihi 2 would be top candidates—especially if adaptive, real-time learning is a core feature. If it’s more focused on inference-only tasks, Edge TPU or Syntiant NDPs could be practical alternatives.
Let me know if you'd like a recommendation based on a specific function (e.g. voice assistant, vision processing, real-time interaction).
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You said:​

yes please

ChatGPT said:​

Great — here's a tailored recommendation based on three likely functions that Sam Altman and Jony Ive’s device might emphasize, considering their vision of a screenless, wearable, real-time AI companion:

🔍 1. Voice Assistant / Natural Interaction (Always-On, Privacy-Preserving)

✅ Best Choice: Syntiant NDP120

  • Why:
    • Ultra-low-power (microwatt-level) operation
    • Always-listening capability without draining battery
    • Supports multiple wake words and audio events
  • Ideal for: Continuous voice interaction, like a whisper-quiet Siri that lives in your lapel
  • Bonus: Commercially proven in smart earbuds and hearing aids

Alt Option: BrainChip Akida

  • Slightly higher power but supports on-device learning — ideal if the device needs to learn your voice over time

👁️ 2. Vision / Environmental Awareness (Object, Gesture, Emotion Recognition)

✅ Best Choice: GrAI VIP or BrainChip Akida

  • GrAI VIP:
    • Optimized for real-time video inference
    • Sparse data-driven — processes only what matters
  • BrainChip Akida:
    • Can detect gestures, objects, and visual patterns with low power
    • Supports event-based cameras (mimics human eyes)

Alt Option: Mythic AMP

  • Analog compute-in-memory gives efficient vision processing but is newer and more complex to integrate

🧠 3. Real-Time Learning and Adaptation (Personalization, Emotion AI, Cognitive AI)

✅ Best Choice: Intel Loihi 2

  • Why:
    • True on-device learning and decision-making
    • Designed for systems that evolve over time based on interaction
    • Best for adaptive systems that change how they work depending on who’s using them

Alt Option: BrainChip Akida

  • Supports incremental learning on-chip (no need for cloud updates)

Final Recommendation Based on Use Case Focus:​

FunctionTop Tech PickRunner-Up
Voice assistant / audio AISyntiant NDP120BrainChip Akida
Environmental/visual awarenessGrAI VIPBrainChip Akida / Mythic AMP
Personalized cognitive assistantIntel Loihi 2BrainChip Akida

If the product blends all three functions — which seems likely — BrainChip Akida is the most versatile choice today due to its:
  • Commercial availability
  • On-chip learning
  • Ability to handle both audio and vision
Only Akida actually has on-device learning. There has never been any proof of Loihi having the capability and IBMs tech has never been stated to. As for the others, they have never been boasted as having on device learning. Just because they may have been touted as neuromorphic doesn’t automatically mean they have any learning on chip! The learning associated with Akida is due to its architecture incorporating the JAST learning rule with STDP. Nothing else on the planet currently has this capability and BrainChip own the IP and patents. I am not aware of any technology other than BrainChips that actually doesn’t do anything more than brute force training off chip followed by inference on chip, that is why I’m fully invested in BrainChip and will continue to be so for as long as it takes. Albeit it’s taking bloody long… 🫤
 
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BrainChip and will continue to be so for as long as it takes. Albeit it’s taking bloody long… 🫤
still waiting for a price sensitive announcement

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I like it! And like how they have finally put the words Mercedes-Benz in the customer section and not just the logo!

Hi MD........I would like to point out that I have placed two or possibly three posts over a number of years just after the
announcement was made by Mercedes in January 2022, where I referenced that I had asked Peter directly if we (Brainchip)
could comment on our relationship with Mercedes, and he advised me back then that Mercedes Benz were a customer, so it
shouldn't come as some sort of surprise, but I agree with you that the communication has finally been confirmed as such on
our official website.

All positive in my opinion.... kind regards Tech.
 
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manny100

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I like it! And like how they have finally put the words Mercedes-Benz in the customer section and not just the logo!
In question time at the Pitt Street conference Sean confirmed engagements with Autos. He also mentioned the lengthy timeframes involved.
 
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Gidday Brainchip supporters,

Last night I had a great phone conversation with Peter, we discussed lots of personal, private stuff, but I asked many questions
in a respectful manner in knowing that Peter has (officially) retired, but as I thought, he is in regular contact with Dr. Tony and
Sean, as in weekly...yes, I did raise my concerns around Antonio and his comments during the AGM and can assure all shareholders
that Peters explanation to me was very reassuring, yes it was a mistake, yes, the shareholders need to be informed and no, we aren't
moving to the US anytime soon, yes, the company is looking into possibly moving from the ASX, and if the BOD thinks it's in our best
interests moving forward, we the shareholders will vote based on what is presented to us at that time.

Peter, as of yesterday, has on-signed the lease of our Perth offices to another entity, meaning Tony has finished working in downtown
Perth and without assuming too much, I believe Tony will be working out of his own home office remotely, but will let Tony or the
company confirm as such.

With the lease cancelled, it will save the company around $160,000 per annum, which is a positive, I understand who and why this
decision to shut down our office came about, and as some have commented, Peter did confirm to me that a Cortical Neural Network
had been proven to work, it is capable of Level 5 in Autonomous Driving (think that is what I heard).

Akida 3 has been witnessed and is unbelievable, programmable and will be able to perform technologies so advanced, that future
products haven't even been thought of yet, yes, our company is the future, and I can also assure shareholders pressure is being put
on company employees responsible for closing deals and in turn creating real revenue, so watch this space.

I'm very comfortable with my conversation with our founder, all I can personally say is, yes, slowness isn't just a shareholder prospective, hang in there with me, the technology is brilliant, and our customers have finally come to that realization as well in my view.

🥰 Akida Tech.
 
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In question time at the Pitt Street conference Sean confirmed engagements with Autos. He also mentioned the lengthy timeframes involved.
Also Sean put the road map slide up and said every customer asks to see a roadmap showing plans going forward.
The customer is betting their business on AKIDA as a differentiator. Once you are in you stay in.
He said BRN was the Edge leader right now and the vision was that they be for the next 20 years.
By the time quantum computing is big we will all be 'dead and buried.
Incidentally Sean said BRN's biggest risk was that we do not get the roadmap right.
The roadmap follows trends in models that need support. At the moment the trend is LLMs and SSMs.
Pick the wrong horse and its a problem.
 
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Gidday Brainchip supporters,

Last night I had a great phone conversation with Peter, we discussed lots of personal, private stuff, but I asked many questions
in a respectful manner in knowing that Peter has (officially) retired, but as I thought, he is in regular contact with Dr. Tony and
Sean, as in weekly...yes, I did raise my concerns around Antonio and his comments during the AGM and can assure all shareholders
that Peters explanation to me was very reassuring, yes it was a mistake, yes, the shareholders need to be informed and no, we aren't
moving to the US anytime soon, yes, the company is looking into possibly moving from the ASX, and if the BOD thinks it's in our best
interests moving forward, we the shareholders will vote based on what is presented to us at that time.

Peter, as of yesterday, has on-signed the lease of our Perth offices to another entity, meaning Tony has finished working in downtown
Perth and without assuming too much, I believe Tony will be working out of his own home office remotely, but will let Tony or the
company confirm as such.

With the lease cancelled, it will save the company around $160,000 per annum, which is a positive, I understand who and why this
decision to shut down our office came about, and as some have commented, Peter did confirm to me that a Cortical Neural Network
had been proven to work, it is capable of Level 5 in Autonomous Driving (think that is what I heard).

Akida 3 has been witnessed and is unbelievable, programmable and will be able to perform technologies so advanced, that future
products haven't even been thought of yet, yes, our company is the future, and I can also assure shareholders pressure is being put
on company employees responsible for closing deals and in turn creating real revenue, so watch this space.

I'm very comfortable with my conversation with our founder, all I can personally say is, yes, slowness isn't just a shareholder prospective, hang in there with me, the technology is brilliant, and our customers have finally come to that realization as well in my view.

🥰 Akida Tech.
Agree. The use by date for the AGM 'mistake' has come and gone. Can't afford to stand still for long at the Edge. The Pitt street presentation by Sean was awesome and the pre AGM tech road map by Jon Tapson was just as good.
 
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Not only ESA and NASA are interested in using Akida for space research - ISRO, the Indian Space Research Organisation is, too!

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Another recent addition to the BrainChip team is Ali Kayyam.

I like his ambition to contribute his expertise in machine learning and computer vision in order to solve real-world challenges (cf. his past work experience in diverse fields). That’s exactly what we need to show the world!


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Prophesee and Tobii partner to make event based eye tracking glasses, could this involve Akida?

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Gidday Brainchip supporters,

Last night I had a great phone conversation with Peter, we discussed lots of personal, private stuff, but I asked many questions
in a respectful manner in knowing that Peter has (officially) retired, but as I thought, he is in regular contact with Dr. Tony and
Sean, as in weekly...yes, I did raise my concerns around Antonio and his comments during the AGM and can assure all shareholders
that Peters explanation to me was very reassuring, yes it was a mistake, yes, the shareholders need to be informed and no, we aren't
moving to the US anytime soon, yes, the company is looking into possibly moving from the ASX, and if the BOD thinks it's in our best
interests moving forward, we the shareholders will vote based on what is presented to us at that time.

Peter, as of yesterday, has on-signed the lease of our Perth offices to another entity, meaning Tony has finished working in downtown
Perth and without assuming too much, I believe Tony will be working out of his own home office remotely, but will let Tony or the
company confirm as such.

With the lease cancelled, it will save the company around $160,000 per annum, which is a positive, I understand who and why this
decision to shut down our office came about, and as some have commented, Peter did confirm to me that a Cortical Neural Network
had been proven to work, it is capable of Level 5 in Autonomous Driving (think that is what I heard).

Akida 3 has been witnessed and is unbelievable, programmable and will be able to perform technologies so advanced, that future
products haven't even been thought of yet, yes, our company is the future, and I can also assure shareholders pressure is being put
on company employees responsible for closing deals and in turn creating real revenue, so watch this space.

I'm very comfortable with my conversation with our founder, all I can personally say is, yes, slowness isn't just a shareholder prospective, hang in there with me, the technology is brilliant, and our customers have finally come to that realization as well in my view.

🥰 Akida Tech.

Gidday Brainchip supporters,

Last night I had a great phone conversation with Peter, we discussed lots of personal, private stuff, but I asked many questions
in a respectful manner in knowing that Peter has (officially) retired, but as I thought, he is in regular contact with Dr. Tony and
Sean, as in weekly...yes, I did raise my concerns around Antonio and his comments during the AGM and can assure all shareholders
that Peters explanation to me was very reassuring, yes it was a mistake, yes, the shareholders need to be informed and no, we aren't
moving to the US anytime soon, yes, the company is looking into possibly moving from the ASX, and if the BOD thinks it's in our best
interests moving forward, we the shareholders will vote based on what is presented to us at that time.

Peter, as of yesterday, has on-signed the lease of our Perth offices to another entity, meaning Tony has finished working in downtown
Perth and without assuming too much, I believe Tony will be working out of his own home office remotely, but will let Tony or the
company confirm as such.

With the lease cancelled, it will save the company around $160,000 per annum, which is a positive, I understand who and why this
decision to shut down our office came about, and as some have commented, Peter did confirm to me that a Cortical Neural Network
had been proven to work, it is capable of Level 5 in Autonomous Driving (think that is what I heard).

Akida 3 has been witnessed and is unbelievable, programmable and will be able to perform technologies so advanced, that future
products haven't even been thought of yet, yes, our company is the future, and I can also assure shareholders pressure is being put
on company employees responsible for closing deals and in turn creating real revenue, so watch this space.

I'm very comfortable with my conversation with our founder, all I can personally say is, yes, slowness isn't just a shareholder prospective, hang in there with me, the technology is brilliant, and our customers have finally come to that realization as well in my view.

🥰 Akida Tech.

Sounds like some good news.. Did Peter mention anything about IR improving or how they think they are gong to fix the IR issue?
 

manny100

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Another recent addition to the BrainChip team is Ali Kayyam.

I like his ambition to contribute his expertise in machine learning and computer vision in order to solve real-world challenges (cf. his past work experience in diverse fields). That’s exactly what we need to show the world!


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BRN attracts talented staff for the same reason we hold.
At the Pitt Street presentation during question time Sean said staff want to be part of something that changes the world and of course make a bit of money.
The talent is why we are the leader.
 
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Only Akida actually has on-device learning. There has never been any proof of Loihi having the capability and IBMs tech has never been stated to.

Hi @jtardif999,

that is simply not true.

On a side note: Wouldn’t you expect neuromorphic researchers outside of Intel Labs having called out Mike Davies and his team over the past 6+ years if your claim were accurate?

Also, has any of our BrainChip staff ever contested the claim that Loihi has on-chip learning capabilities? (https://redwood.berkeley.edu/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/Davies2018.pdf)
No? I wonder why.

But let the facts speak for themselves…

Here is a video by fortiss, the Research Institute of the Free State of Bavaria for Software-Intensive Systems, whose researchers have been working with Loihi and SpiNNaker for years and recently also partnered with both BrainChip and Innatera (https://thestockexchange.com.au/threads/brn-discussion-ongoing.1/post-454015).

The gesture recognition demo shown is run on Loihi 1.

“What we do here is on-the-fly learning from few examples - so, in the gesture case just a few seconds of presenting time - and as we want to implement this on neuromorphic hardware, we make use of the neuromorphic hardware’s plasticity processor, which enables learning with local signals, so implementation of local learning rules. In order to prevent catastrophic forgetting in the network, we only update the weights of the last layer of the network.

(…) So using this learning rule, we can implement on-chip adaptation to new classes. And as this happens directly on the neuromorphic processor, it can be implemented with only a very low latency and energy overhead. And this means that we can learn new classes in real-time during inference without interrupting the inference for specific learning procedure [sic].


(…) The third stage is the rapid on-chip learning layer, which is neuromorphic processor’s plasticity layer, and it enables learning only from short demonstrations, which can enhance accuracy and also enable personalisation of gestures.”

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As for the others, they have never been boasted as having on device learning. Just because they may have been touted as neuromorphic doesn’t automatically mean they have any learning on chip! The learning associated with Akida is due to its architecture incorporating the JAST learning rule with STDP. Nothing else on the planet currently has this capability and BrainChip own the IP and patents. I am not aware of any technology other than BrainChips that actually doesn’t do anything more than brute force training off chip followed by inference on chip, that is why I’m fully invested in BrainChip and will continue to be so for as long as it takes. Albeit it’s taking bloody long… 🫤

This claim of yours is equally false.

While the individual on-chip learning capabilities differ from chip to chip (some of them seem to be very basic, although this is all far too technical for me to understand) and none of these capabilities are exactly like those of Akida (which certainly makes it unique in that sense), there are plenty of neuromorphic chips around that are claimed to have the capability to learn on-the-fly during inference, without having to be retrained in the cloud.

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Also Sean put the road map slide up and said every customer asks to see a roadmap showing plans going forward.
The customer is betting their business on AKIDA as a differentiator. Once you are in you stay in.
He said BRN was the Edge leader right now and the vision was that they be for the next 20 years.
By the time quantum computing is big we will all be 'dead and buried.
Incidentally Sean said BRN's biggest risk was that we do not get the roadmap right.
The roadmap follows trends in models that need support. At the moment the trend is LLMs and SSMs.
Pick the wrong horse and its a problem.
Thanks Manny
That's the most informative post I've seen in a while. That statement from Sean explains a lot about the background negotiations going on. Hope the customers are interested in cortical columns. Looks like that is where we are heading next. The good thing is it is what is called a.sticky tech. Once you have a customer you have them for a long time.

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MISSING PARTNERS’ REPORT!

While the new website was being built, MulticoreWare must have suddenly said “Let’s go(,) MYW.AI” and must have taken the NEUROBUS to the extreme EDGX…


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Tech, why have you deleted yesterday's post about your private and personal conversation with Peter? Just to remind us all..


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Well, I'm so happy that Tech has had his little tête-à-tête with our founder and NED Peter van der Made.

Such a great conversation! I'm so very pleased, that Peter has explained what happened with Antonio at the AGM and you are very reassured, oh and thanks for passing that on to the rest of us shareholders.

I'm so pleased you found out about the Perth office closing and the $160,000 saving that the company is going to make (and that you know who made this decision and why).

I’m glad that from this conversation Tech thinks that customers have finally come to the realisation that the tech is great.

I'm thrilled that Peter confirmed that a Cortical Neural Network has been proven to work and is capable of Level 5 in autonomous driving. And I’m especially happy that you know that Akida 3 has been witnessed and is unbelievable and will be able to perform technologies so far advanced, that future products haven't even been thought of you, and that you can assure shareholders pressure is being put on company employees to close deals.

So great, for you Tech, but what about the other approx 45,000 shareholders who deserve to be kept in the loop? What about disseminating information in a way what complies with ASX continuous disclosure rules?

Peter van der Made clearly does not understand his fiduciary duties as a Non Executive Director on the ASX... if he did, he would never have divulged this information to you.

I'd go as far as to say the information on the Cortical Neural Network and Adkia 3 was not on the roadmap and is infact insider information.

Peter clearly has no idea about being a board member, and if he had any moral compass (or understanding of the legal responsibilities in his role as a NED) he would step down immediately.

For more than 3 years, shareholders have been crying out to BrainChip, telling them there is a problem with their IR. BrainChip know there is a problem with their IR (and have acknowledged this for years at previous AGM’s), but they chose to do absolutely nothing to fix it.

If shareholders are not up in arms about this and are not getting fired up and contacting BrainChip to let them of their dissatisfaction and anger, then it seems to me that some shareholders may unfortunately have become infected with the same disease that is endemic at BrainChip…. complacency….
 
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I can only hope that some of his colleagues have spoken to him about his behavior.

We'll find out at the next AGM whether it had any effect.

It would be best if he left the company, as his behavior is damaging to the business.
There won't be another AGM In Australia, we won't be on the ASX
 
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