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Diogenese

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How much longer would neuromorphic technology extend battery life in your opinion?
Hi wilson,

Inference is a very compute-heavy task, but Akida excels in this.

It's difficult to find power usage stats for a particular task, much less comparison between different processors. However, this is a comparison between Akida and Jetson for KWS:
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https://brainchip.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/BrainChip_Benchmarking-Edge-AI-Inference-1.pdf

That's 33.17 : 756 less power for KWS, about 250 times less power for the KWS task using 2 nodes (4 NPUs) of Akida. Remember that Akida 1000 does have a relative large "standby" power usage of about 1 W, but if Akida 1500 is used, there is no dedicated Cortex processor. I don't know the standby power for Nvidia. Akida 2 is said to be 8 times more efficient than Akida 1. Then there's TENNs which is even more efficient.

In performing inference, Akida 2 is potentially more than 1000 times more efficient than the GPU-based Jetson Nano.

However, some hearing aid glasses do not use AI, so it's not an apples : apples comparison:

https://www.wired.com/review/essilorluxottica-nuance-audio-glasses/

The Nuance Audio builds on technology the company pioneered last year for its Ray-Ban Meta glasses, which pipe audio to the wearer via open-ear speakers built into each arm of the specs. There’s no camera or intelligence (nor an Awkwafina voice option) on the Nuance Audio, as these speakers are meant to amplify ambient sounds captured by the directional microphones and send them to, or at least near, your ears. You can’t even see the speakers on the glasses or pinpoint where the sound is coming from while you’re wearing them. It’s just … there.
 
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Frangipani

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How much longer would neuromorphic technology extend battery life in your opinion?

Hi @wilson,

sorry, I don’t have any technical background, so I need to rely on what we’re being told by our company or others in this field.

In that same CES 2025 interview I quoted from in my previous post, Steve Brightfield said the following:

“… and we announced this fall Akida Pico, which is microwatts, so we can use a hearing aid battery and have this run for days and days doing detection algorithms [?]. So it is really applicable to put on wearables, put it in eye glasses, put it in earbuds, put it in smart watches.” (from 4:18 min)







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You may also want to have a look at this:

 
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As fascinating as the technology is, I don't think I'm going too far out on a limb by saying for us here it's all about the share price.
Just watching how the price has been manipulated over the last several years, when the inevitable price sensitive announcement drops 🙏🏻 I hope the share price reflects the achievement and it isn't contained and controlled by whoever the scumbags are who have been doing the manipulating.

It's not manipulation that keeping the share price down, it's our board who refuse to make announcements through the ASX about our own company. The board who won't do anything to keep current (and potential) shareholders informed.

The board who says the share price will do what the share price will do.

The blame lies squarely at their feet.
 
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It's not manipulation that keeping the share price down, it's our board who refuse to make announcements through the ASX about our own company. The board who won't do anything to keep current (and potential) shareholders informed.

The board who says the share price will do what the share price will do.

The blame lies squarely at their feet.
They don't care there going to America
 
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Interesting talk, talks about spiking neural networks, not Brainchip, but raising awareness of the energy efficiency.

Perhaps someone with a lot more technical knowledge than me can post a comment 🤔
 
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It's not manipulation that keeping the share price down, it's our board who refuse to make announcements through the ASX about our own company. The board who won't do anything to keep current (and potential) shareholders informed.

The board who says the share price will do what the share price will do.

The blame lies squarely at their feet.

Its not the lack of announcements, its the lack of sales....
 
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Hopefully they aren't limiting themselves to analog designs.

Also a mention of RRAM. We heard Coby Hanoch of Weebit recently say that they were working on something with Brainchip.

Role: Analog Devices (ADI) is exploring heterogeneous AI compute platforms that blend traditional digital architectures with emerging, non-conventional approaches, including but not limited to analog compute, in-memory processing, and neuromorphic hardware.
The Frontier AI team is seeking a senior technical contributor to launch and lead this long-term, cross-functional initiative. The role focuses on exploration, prototyping, and platform definition, with the ultimate goal of enabling ultra-efficient AI compute solutions that can scale across ADI’s wide variety of applications, spanning robotics, health wearables, audio systems, energy, and much more!
This is a strategic and ongoing initiative, not a one-off research project.
The role requires technical depth, program execution, and the ability to engage both internal stakeholders across functions and external organizations, in particular the startup ecosystem.
Key responsibilities:
  • Lead the early-stage definition and execution of ADI’s next-generation AI compute initiative
  • Evaluate and prototype non-traditional computing paradigms, including analog signal-chain AI, in-memory compute (e.g SRAM or RRAM), neuromorphic systems (e.g., event-driven or spiking architectures).
  • Architect hybrid compute platforms that integrate low-power, unconventional elements with traditional digital compute blocks
  • Translate architectural advances into deployable systems for high-impact ADI markets, driving ultra-low latency, ultra-low power, and ultra-local adaptability (on-device learning) in application domains spanning robotics, consumer devices, automotive, industrial, and other areas.
  • Run internal proof-of-concept trials both with internal groups (e.g., Field-Programmable Gate Arrays, FPGAs) and with external startups focused on non-traditional AI compute.
  • Author and maintain core technical documents, such as Compute Exploration Plan, Architecture Whitepapers, Prototype Specification (initial system build targets)
  • Partner with ADI \Corporate Strategy and Development, and platform leaders to align on roadmap, application fit, and integration potential
  • Stay abreast of leading AI compute research and technical practicalities of implementation and drive the team towards advancing state of the art.
Qualifications:
  • 10+ years of experience in hardware systems, embedded compute, and AI platform development
  • Strong understanding of Artificial Intelligence (AI) and Machine Learning (ML) workload requirements and their impact on compute hardware
  • Technical exposure and knowledge of state-of-the-art of non-traditional architectures such as analog multiply-accumulate units, in-memory-compute, spiking neural networks
 
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Frangipani

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EssilorLuxottica must have been one of the companies Steve Brightfield was referring to in his CES 2025 interview with Don Baine aka The Gadget Professor, when he said:

https://thestockexchange.com.au/threads/brn-discussion-ongoing.1/post-446882

“(…) I talked to some manufacturers that have glasses, where they put microphones in the front and then AI algorithms in the arm of the glasses, and it doesn’t look like you’re wearing hearing aids, but you’re getting this much improved audio quality. Because most people have minor hearing loss and they don't want the stigma of wearing hearing aids, but this kind of removes it - oh, it's an earbud, oh, it's glasses I am wearing, and now I can hear and engage."

DB: “Sure, I could see that, that's great. So does this technology exist? Is that something someone could purchase in a hearing aid, for example?”

SB: “Actually, I’ve seen manufacturers out on the floor doing this.
We are working with some manufacturers to put more advanced algorithms in the current ones in there, yes
.”


He didn’t specify which manufacturers or even confirm BrainChip were working with any of those manufacturers that were exhibiting at CES (note he didn’t say “I’ve seen manufacturers on the floor doing this. We are working with some of those manufacturers…”).

What this little dialogue does imply though, is that BrainChip’s technology is not yet implemented in any of the models that are already commercially available, such as the Nuance Audio OTC (Over The Counter) Hearing Aid Glasses that EssilorLuxottica launched earlier this year.

In January 2024, @Tothemoon24 had posted about their prototype to be displayed at CES 2024:



With their fully developed solution, EssilorLuxottica clinched an award in Digital Health at CES 2025:


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A month later, they had received FDA clearance and EU Certifications, which paved the way to make Nuance Audio available to consumers in the US and Europe:


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Here are more details about the Nuance Audio hearing glasses courtesy of Soundly, “a single destination for hearing aid research, shopping, and expert care”, including a recent video review:






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The Nuance Audio hearing glasses are now also available for purchase here in Germany, where they sell for 1100 €.


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One drawback is their limited battery life (8-10 hours per charge) - that’s where neuromorphic technology could come in handy, extending the battery life of future models of such hearing aid eyewear.


I am a bit confused now as to whether or not there is any AI involved in the technology inside the Nuance Audio frames, since the Wired article @Diogenese shared claims there isn’t, although an interview from CES 2025 (see video from 5 min or the transcript) suggested to me that the software running on the glasses “capturing the sound, cleaning the sound” was something similar to the audio denoising algorithms BrainChip has been demoing? 🤔


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Anyway, regardless of whether or not there are any AI algorithms in the arm of the Nuance Audio hearing glasses, Steve Brightfield may technically still have referred to EssilorLuxottica when mentioning in his CES interview that he had “talked to some manufacturers that have glasses, where they put microphones in the front and then AI algorithms in the arm of the glasses” and confirming to Don Baine that he had actually seen manufacturers on the CES 2025 floor promoting this technology… 😉

Just prior to CES 2025, EssilorLuxottica had announced the acquisition of Pulse Audition, a French start-up that uses AI-driven noise reduction and voice enhancement embedded in their eyeglasses (“Pulse Frames”).
Their algorithms are designed to run only on the Pulse Frames.


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EssilorLuxottica Acquires Pulse Audition's Audio Glasses Tech​

The acquisition brings Pulse Frames' AI-driven technology and audio signal processing—as well as a team of highly skilled professionals—into EssilorLuxottica's portfolio, which includes its new Nuance Audio Glasses.

Written by
Karl Strom

Published on
EssilorLuxottica Acquires Pulse Audition's Audio Glasses Tech


EssilorLuxottica, Milan, Italy, the global leader in eyewear and creator of Nuance Audio Glasses, has announced the purchase of Pulse Audition, a French company that has developed AI software for a hearing glasses product, called Pulse Frames. Pulse Audition, based in Vallauris (near Cannes), France, is a startup that uses AI-driven noise reduction and voice enhancement software embedded in eyeglasses to enable individuals with hearing loss to better comprehend speech, even in challenging, noisy environments.

EssilorLuxottica is introducing its Nuance Audio glasses which feature advanced speech-in-noise software and an open-ear amplification system for people with perceived mild to moderate hearing loss. Nuance hopes to gain FDA approval for the product in the first half of 2025.

Nuance Audio Glasses use directional microphones and advanced speech-in-noise processing software to transmit sound to the open ear.
Nuance Audio Glasses use directional microphones and advanced speech-in-noise processing software to transmit sound to the open ear.

According to EssilorLuxottica, the acquisition brings Pulse Audition’s proprietary technologies, expertise in AI software development, embedded AI, and audio signal processing—as well as a team of highly skilled professionals—into EssilorLuxottica's portfolio. By integrating these capabilities, the Group plans to complement its exisiting proprietary hardware and software offerings, further elevating the quality of its products and solutions. The move builds on the Group’s strategic focus on hearing solutions, following its acquisition of Nuance Hearing in 2023.

“We continuously explore market opportunities in AI and big data, and this acquisition in France— one of our home countries— is a perfect fit with our long-term goals and investments in hearing solutions,” noted EssilorLuxottica Chairman & CEO Francesco Milleri and Deputy CEO Paul du Saillant in a press statement. “It reinforces our commitment to advancing the next category of computing platforms, also in Europe. We are excited to welcome this talented team in our Group and look forward to further unlocking the enormous potential in the underserved hearing space.”

HearingTracker Founder and Audiologist Abram Bailey, AuD, and Audiologist Matthew Allsop have favorably reviewed Nuance Audio glasses, along with several other experts in the field. It appears to be a promising new form factor for people seeking help for milder hearing loss and a discrete solution for hearing in noise. Both companies are displaying their products at this year's CES 2025 in Las Vegas on January 7-10 (see HearingTracker's CES 2025 preview).
 
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BrainShit

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Hi wilson,

Inference is a very compute-heavy task, but Akida excels in this.

It's difficult to find power usage stats for a particular task, much less comparison between different processors. However, this is a comparison between Akida and Jetson for KWS:
View attachment 85012



https://brainchip.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/BrainChip_Benchmarking-Edge-AI-Inference-1.pdf

That's 33.17 : 756 less power for KWS, about 250 times less power for the KWS task using 2 nodes (4 NPUs) of Akida. Remember that Akida 1000 does have a relative large "standby" power usage of about 1 W, but if Akida 1500 is used, there is no dedicated Cortex processor. I don't know the standby power for Nvidia. Akida 2 is said to be 8 times more efficient than Akida 1. Then there's TENNs which is even more efficient.

In performing inference, Akida 2 is potentially more than 1000 times more efficient than the GPU-based Jetson Nano.

However, some hearing aid glasses do not use AI, so it's nor an apples : apples comparison:

https://www.wired.com/review/essilorluxottica-nuance-audio-glasses/

The Nuance Audio builds on technology the company pioneered last year for its Ray-Ban Meta glasses, which pipe audio to the wearer via open-ear speakers built into each arm of the specs. There’s no camera or intelligence (nor an Awkwafina voice option) on the Nuance Audio, as these speakers are meant to amplify ambient sounds captured by the directional microphones and send them to, or at least near, your ears. You can’t even see the speakers on the glasses or pinpoint where the sound is coming from while you’re wearing them. It’s just … there.

In addition...

Comparison TargetPower Saving (Akida)
Most power-efficient AI chipsUp to 10x lower
Standard data center architectures (CPU/GPU)Up to 1,000x lower
Data center (task-specific)~97% more efficient
Typical edge device operationMicro-watts to milli-watts


Akida neuromorphic chips provide a substantial reduction in power consumption—ranging from 10x to 1,000x—compared to conventional AI hardware, making them highly suitable for energy-constrained edge and battery-powered AI applications. Typical energy consumption is about 3 picojoules per synaptic operation (in 28nm technology)

Brainchip's Akida (and especially Akida Pico) leads in maximum power savings, followed by Innatera Pulsar and T1, which are closely matched.

Actually you operate within a magic triangle between:
  • Power consumption
  • Workloads
  • Accuracy

Source 1: https://brainchip.com/what-is-the-akida-event-domain-neural-processor-2/
Source 2: https://brainchip.com/brainchip-introduces-lowest-power-ai-acceleration-co-processor/
Source 3: https://www.businesswire.com/news/h...-Neuromorphic-Capabilities-to-M.2-Form-Factor
Source 4: https://marc-kennis.squarespace.com...esearch-initiation-report-20-08-2021-zpgy.pdf
Source 5: https://buyzero.de/blogs/news/unvei...inchip-and-innateras-contributions-to-edge-ai
 
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Bravo

If ARM was an arm, BRN would be its biceps💪!
Hi wilson,

Inference is a very compute-heavy task, but Akida excels in this.

It's difficult to find power usage stats for a particular task, much less comparison between different processors. However, this is a comparison between Akida and Jetson for KWS:
View attachment 85012



https://brainchip.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/BrainChip_Benchmarking-Edge-AI-Inference-1.pdf

That's 33.17 : 756 less power for KWS, about 250 times less power for the KWS task using 2 nodes (4 NPUs) of Akida. Remember that Akida 1000 does have a relative large "standby" power usage of about 1 W, but if Akida 1500 is used, there is no dedicated Cortex processor. I don't know the standby power for Nvidia. Akida 2 is said to be 8 times more efficient than Akida 1. Then there's TENNs which is even more efficient.

In performing inference, Akida 2 is potentially more than 1000 times more efficient than the GPU-based Jetson Nano.

However, some hearing aid glasses do not use AI, so it's nor an apples : apples comparison:

https://www.wired.com/review/essilorluxottica-nuance-audio-glasses/
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The Nuance Audio builds on technology the company pioneered last year for its Ray-Ban Meta glasses, which pipe audio to the wearer via open-ear speakers built into each arm of the specs. There’s no camera or intelligence (nor an Awkwafina voice option) on the Nuance Audio, as these speakers are meant to amplify ambient sounds captured by the directional microphones and send them to, or at least near, your ears. You can’t even see the speakers on the glasses or pinpoint where the sound is coming from while you’re wearing them. It’s just … there.

Dear Dodgy-Knees,

Thank you! This is such a phenomenal explanation!!!

I know I can’t possibly be the only one to feel so grateful for your contributions to this forum.

B 🌺
 
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Diogenese

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I am a bit confused now as to whether or not there is any AI involved in the technology inside the Nuance Audio frames, since the Wired article @Diogenese shared claims there isn’t, although an interview from CES 2025 (see video from 5 min or the transcript) suggested to me that the software running on the glasses “capturing the sound, cleaning the sound” was something similar to the audio denoising algorithms BrainChip has been demoing? 🤔


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Anyway, regardless of whether or not there are any AI algorithms in the arm of the Nuance Audio hearing glasses, Steve Brightfield may technically still have referred to EssilorLuxottica when mentioning in his CES interview that he had “talked to some manufacturers that have glasses, where they put microphones in the front and then AI algorithms in the arm of the glasses” and confirming to Don Baine that he had actually seen manufacturers on the CES 2025 floor promoting this technology… 😉

Just prior to CES 2025, EssilorLuxottica had announced the acquisition of Pulse Audition, a French start-up that uses AI-driven noise reduction and voice enhancement embedded in their eyeglasses (“Pulse Frames”).
Their algorithms are designed to run only on the Pulse Frames.


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EssilorLuxottica Acquires Pulse Audition's Audio Glasses Tech​

The acquisition brings Pulse Frames' AI-driven technology and audio signal processing—as well as a team of highly skilled professionals—into EssilorLuxottica's portfolio, which includes its new Nuance Audio Glasses.

Written by
Karl Strom

Published on
EssilorLuxottica Acquires Pulse Audition's Audio Glasses Tech's Audio Glasses Tech


EssilorLuxottica, Milan, Italy, the global leader in eyewear and creator of Nuance Audio Glasses, has announced the purchase of Pulse Audition, a French company that has developed AI software for a hearing glasses product, called Pulse Frames. Pulse Audition, based in Vallauris (near Cannes), France, is a startup that uses AI-driven noise reduction and voice enhancement software embedded in eyeglasses to enable individuals with hearing loss to better comprehend speech, even in challenging, noisy environments.

EssilorLuxottica is introducing its Nuance Audio glasses which feature advanced speech-in-noise software and an open-ear amplification system for people with perceived mild to moderate hearing loss. Nuance hopes to gain FDA approval for the product in the first half of 2025.

Nuance Audio Glasses use directional microphones and advanced speech-in-noise processing software to transmit sound to the open ear.
Nuance Audio Glasses use directional microphones and advanced speech-in-noise processing software to transmit sound to the open ear.

According to EssilorLuxottica, the acquisition brings Pulse Audition’s proprietary technologies, expertise in AI software development, embedded AI, and audio signal processing—as well as a team of highly skilled professionals—into EssilorLuxottica's portfolio. By integrating these capabilities, the Group plans to complement its exisiting proprietary hardware and software offerings, further elevating the quality of its products and solutions. The move builds on the Group’s strategic focus on hearing solutions, following its acquisition of Nuance Hearing in 2023.

“We continuously explore market opportunities in AI and big data, and this acquisition in France— one of our home countries— is a perfect fit with our long-term goals and investments in hearing solutions,” noted EssilorLuxottica Chairman & CEO Francesco Milleri and Deputy CEO Paul du Saillant in a press statement. “It reinforces our commitment to advancing the next category of computing platforms, also in Europe. We are excited to welcome this talented team in our Group and look forward to further unlocking the enormous potential in the underserved hearing space.”

HearingTracker Founder and Audiologist Abram Bailey, AuD, and Audiologist Matthew Allsop have favorably reviewed Nuance Audio glasses, along with several other experts in the field. It appears to be a promising new form factor for people seeking help for milder hearing loss and a discrete solution for hearing in noise. Both companies are displaying their products at this year's CES 2025 in Las Vegas on January 7-10 (see HearingTracker's CES 2025 preview).

I haven't got the tech specs, but it seems that Pulse Audition's Pulse Frames is software:

"purchase of Pulse Audition, a French company that has developed AI software for a hearing glasses product, called Pulse Frames. Pulse Audition, based in Vallauris (near Cannes), France, is a startup that uses AI-driven noise reduction and voice enhancement software embedded in eyeglasses to enable individuals with hearing loss to better comprehend speech, even in challenging, noisy environments. "

Using software AI is unlikely to improve the battery life. So have EssilorLuxottica bought a white elephant? ... if they'd just waited till after CES 2025 ...
 
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jrp173

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Its not the lack of announcements, its the lack of sales....


Sure. but there is still news that could be released as non price sensitive that could help to support the share price....
 
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jrp173

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One would think they would have to have a reason for that though surely? If they thought it was in the best interests of the company to release more, I would have thought they would.

It's absolutely in the best interest of the company (and shareholders) for BRN to release both price sensitive and non price sensitive ASX announcements, just like other companies, but Antonio made it clear at the AGM, that he is the one blocking ASX announcements.

There was a question from a shareholder about why we don't make announcements via the ASX.

This is what Antonio said at the AGM....

---------------------------------------------------


We, of course, we're all looking for material announcements and we wanted to be meaningful. Of course, these are significant players, some of these technology partners, you're partnering with their insignificant players within the industry - non price sensitive and price sensitive.

And your comment on non-price sensitive announcements is noted.

And it is an active discussion at the board in terms of how we can fulfill non price sensitive announcements. That message has been heard. Look, I'll fall on the sword, right? Given the history of the company, I have swung whoops, apologies, I have swung the pendulum the other way in terms of being conservative, right? I don't want to get the company into trouble. I'm being too conservative.

I'll take the heat. Please shoot all arrows at me. Not my fellow board members, not Sean, that is Antonio. I'm too conservative, right?

I'm gonna fix that. I will fix that

________________________________________

Let's see if they do fix it .....
 
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Worth a listen imo. Not sure if prev posted but podcast from a couple of months ago talking to Tony, Jon, Rudy, Kris & Olivier.

A lot on TENNS in its workings and performances and some other snippets.



 
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When are people's predictions for when we might see share price back up at the previous highs?

For this question its best to ask Ra.

In 2026, the stars will weave a celestial tapestry above the Great Pyramids of Giza, aligning with their ancient geometry during the equinoxes on March 20 and September 22, when day and night balance perfectly. As the sun rises, kissing the pyramids’ edges, Orion’s Belt—Alnitak, Alnilam, and Mintaka—will hover in alignment with the three pyramids, mirroring their layout as seen by the ancients. Sirius, the brightest star, may trace a path echoing the pyramids’ southern shafts, while the equinox sun casts precise shadows, binding earth and cosmos in a timeless celestial embrace.
 
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and before people say impossible to know and so on, I realise that. I am just wondering what people's expectations are? I seriously think it could be there in 2 or 3 years given the sector.


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and before people say impossible to know and so on, I realise that. I am just wondering what people's expectations are? I seriously think it could be there in 2 or 3 years given the sector.
In for the longhaul and a US Market listing
 

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and before people say impossible to know and so on, I realise that. I am just wondering what people's expectations are? I seriously think it could be there in 2 or 3 years given the sector.
It is imminent. Watch the financials
 
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Nice to see Brainchip next door to our new partner Andes. Check out the last photo.


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