BRN Discussion Ongoing

[Diogenese]

Yeah, seeing as what Sean said, is obviously pre-prepared, you have to take it at face value, don't you?..

In the first few minutes, he said "what we are offering" but then followed that with "and what we'll (we will) offer people" which can be taken a couple of different ways..

The second part "bring both of these products (AKIDA 2.0 and TENNs separately?) to market as quickly as possible" is also open to interpretation, in my opinion.

So does that mean that even AKIDA 2.0 IP is not "actually" commercially available yet, or is it in relation to actually securing IP deals for them?

Maybe I've been wrong all along

I think this is something, that needs to be clarified, by the Company.

Does somebody want to shoot Tony an email, asking..

Are AKIDA 2.0/AKIDA 2.0-TENNs/TENNs and TENNs Pleiades, currently commercially available, or still in development?

I'm not actually on "talking" terms ..

Hi DB,

I don't see "commercially available" and "still in development" as being mutually exclusive where software is concerned. There are lots of examples of upgrades to commercial software. It is the rule rather than the exception.

My view is that the EAPs have been working with the TeNNs simulation software since after the patent filing and it is being continually upgraded, in part from customer feedback.

As I'd suspected and have been banging on about for some time, we are offering TeNNs as software. What I'm not sure about is whether we are offering the full Akida 2, replete with TeNNs as software. Given the astounding performance of TeNNs, you'd have to think Mercedes and Valeo would have been doing a lot of work with the TeNNs software, and given that both are processing their sensor signals with software, what are the odds?

Remember some month ago, Anil announced they were going to tape-out for Akida 2, of which TeNNs is an integral part, but capable of operating without Akida. That suggests to me that TeNNs had reached a commercially acceptable stage of development. Tape-out is the point of no return.

Now it is possible that there have been further improvements in the interim, but, since we are offering TeNNs as software, it can be updated on the run, not something that can be done with a SoC.

Given that we are offering TeNNs software, this should accelerate income as software does not have the same manufacturing delay as the SoC.

... but, once again I must caution against using such speculation as the basis for investment decisions.

 

[Esq.111]

Gidday Esq.

Some of us had Brainchip linked to Lockheed Martin back in late 2018/2019 but never quite over the line.

The Fact has produced a very nice list, but I'm not the only one thinking why no IP signings, are they all NOW WAITING for
AKD III to surface during 2025, as that's when I personally expect to see it enter from stage left.

Feeling a little frustrated with how our share price is still being "professionally contained" in a band that has no musicians.

Let's start cranking this baby up, a decade is approaching for many of us.

Evening TECH ,

Agree fully.

Think I have been in over five or six years now , in which time there has been many times when management have intimated IMMINENT sales , only to be let down time and time again.

The fact we continue to renumerate in such fashion senior leadership??? Past and present for non tangible results is bewildering to say the least.

Technology obviously works well , so no problems there .... I'll leave it up to others to figure out were the problem may be .

Waiting impatiently like most , and not even remotely amused how holders have been treated thus far.

Regards,
Esq.

 

[manny100]

I just checked the podcast and the mention of AKIDA 2.0 and TENNs is in the first minutes, up to 3min20secs.

If you listen to just these first few minutes, you can see, that AI Inquirer's "interpretations" to put it nicely of what Sean said, are complete and utter Bullshit.

As are his previous statements, as fact, that AKIDA TENNs, TENNs and by extension TENNs Pleiades, as not being currently commercially available.

See ASX Ann dated 3/10/23 " BrainChip announces availability of the 2nd Generation Akida IP Solution"
google - BrainChip announces availability of the 2nd Generation Akida IP Solution
Gen2 included TENNs and ViT.
Some quotes below from the Ann:
" The introduction of Temporal Event Based Neural Nets (TENNs) revolutionises the advanced processing for multi-dimensional streaming and time-series data. This can radically reduce model size and improve performance, as well as efficiency, without compromising accuracy, which is an important consideration for Edge devices."
" Combining the benefits of TENNs with hardware acceleration of Vision Transformer (ViT) models unlocks the potential to create game-changing Edge devices that can process advanced vision and video applications in milliwatts or audio and other similar applications in microwatts at the sensor."
" The second generation MetaTF software enables developers to evaluate the capabilities of Akida, optimize, and customize their designs to get a head start on architecting their System on a Chip (SoC) along with their software solutions. In addition to TensorFlow, MetaTF will support ONNX which allows for greater compatibility across various frameworks including PyTorch."

 

[Diogenese]

See ASX Ann dated 3/10/23 " BrainChip announces availability of the 2nd Generation Akida IP Solution"
google - BrainChip announces availability of the 2nd Generation Akida IP Solution
Gen2 included TENNs and ViT.
Some quotes below from the Ann:
" The introduction of Temporal Event Based Neural Nets (TENNs) revolutionises the advanced processing for multi-dimensional streaming and time-series data. This can radically reduce model size and improve performance, as well as efficiency, without compromising accuracy, which is an important consideration for Edge devices."
" Combining the benefits of TENNs with hardware acceleration of Vision Transformer (ViT) models unlocks the potential to create game-changing Edge devices that can process advanced vision and video applications in milliwatts or audio and other similar applications in microwatts at the sensor."
" The second generation MetaTF software enables developers to evaluate the capabilities of Akida, optimize, and customize their designs to get a head start on architecting their System on a Chip (SoC) along with their software solutions. In addition to TensorFlow, MetaTF will support ONNX which allows for greater compatibility across various frameworks including PyTorch."

Thanks manny,

This reminds us that part of the delay in implementing any AI system is the development of the model, the database of samples of images or sounds, and it needs to be adapted for Akida/TeNNs.

 

[DingoBorat]

Hi DB,

I don't see "commercially available" and "still in development" as being mutually exclusive where software is concerned. There are lots of examples of upgrades to commercial software. It is the rule rather than the exception.

My view is that the EAPs have been working with the TeNNs simulation software since after the patent filing and it is being continually upgraded, in part from customer feedback.

As I'd suspected, we are offering TeNNs as software. What I'm not sure about is whether we are offering the full Akida 2, replete with TeNNs as software. Given the astounding performance of TeNNs, you'd have to think Mercedes and Valeo would have been doing a lot of work with the TeNNs software, and given that both are processing their sensor signals with software, what are the odds?

Remember some month ago, Anil announced they were going to tape-out for Akida 2, of which TeNNs is an integral part, but capable of operating without Akida. That suggests to me that TeNNs had reached a commercially acceptable stage of development.

Now it is possible that there have been further improvements in the interim, but, since we are offering TeNNs as software, it can be updated on the run, not something that can be done with a SoC.

Given that we are offering TeNNs software, this should accelerate income as software does not have the same manufacturing delay as the SoC.

... but, once again I must caution against using such speculation as the basis for investment decisions.

I fully understand, that they will always be "still in development" but I meant as it related directly to commercial availability, as that Allan? guy was saying..

But which you seem to have cleared up, with their "readiness" to go to silicon.

I kind of didn't "remember" that TENNs, was part of the AKIDA 2.0 IP release..

 

[Diogenese]

I fully understand, that they will always be "still in development" but I meant as it related directly to commercial availability, as that Allan? guy was saying..

But which you seem to have cleared up, with their "readiness" to go to silicon.

I kind of didn't "remember" that TENNs, was part of the AKIDA 2.0 IP release..

Hi DB,

These are from an April 2024 slide presentation:

From memory, I think TeNNs does involve a little use of the CPU as well as MACs?

This from way back when:

https://brainchip.com/akida-second-generation/
...
Akida’s advanced acceleration now goes well beyond classification. It has unprecedented support for complex algorithms and models, including high-resolution video object detection, semantic segmentation, and advanced time-series data applications and sequence prediction in low-power Edge devices. This NPU platform supports convolutional, deep learning, and vision transformer networks in hardware. We are in conversations with early adopters now. Products from the 2nd generation platform will be available for general release in Q3 this year [2023].

We will be at EmbeddedWorld 2023, and look forward to seeing you there. Join us at Booth 2-238 or our partner booths to see Akida in action, find out more about the 2nd Generation as well as the burgeoning ecosystem of software and tools firsthand.

 

[manny100]

Asked co pilot: Can TENNs be purchased separately to GEN2"
"Certainly! The second-generation Akida platform from BrainChip includes both Temporal Event-Based Neural Nets (TENNs) and Vision Transformers (ViTs)1. These innovations significantly enhance the platform’s capabilities for intelligent edge applications. Now, to address your question about purchasing TENNs separately, it’s important to note that TENNs are an integral part of the Akida Gen2 platform. They are not offered as standalone components for separate purchase. Instead, when you acquire the Akida Gen2 platform, you get access to the combined power of both TENNs and ViTs, enabling a wide range of applications in areas such as audio processing, speech recognition, vital signs prediction, video object detection, and more1. If you have any further inquiries or need additional details, feel free to ask! "
This does not mean that BRN does not NOW have plans to release TENNs as a separate product. Verbals from BRN indicate that TENNs due to its 'uniqueness' may be released and marketed separately. Its just that Co Pilot could not locate anything on the net to that effect.

 

[Jchandel]

Hi DB,

I don't see "commercially available" and "still in development" as being mutually exclusive where software is concerned. There are lots of examples of upgrades to commercial software. It is the rule rather than the exception.

My view is that the EAPs have been working with the TeNNs simulation software since after the patent filing and it is being continually upgraded, in part from customer feedback.

As I'd suspected, we are offering TeNNs as software. What I'm not sure about is whether we are offering the full Akida 2, replete with TeNNs as software. Given the astounding performance of TeNNs, you'd have to think Mercedes and Valeo would have been doing a lot of work with the TeNNs software, and given that both are processing their sensor signals with software, what are the odds?

Remember some month ago, Anil announced they were going to tape-out for Akida 2, of which TeNNs is an integral part, but capable of operating without Akida. That suggests to me that TeNNs had reached a commercially acceptable stage of development. Tape-out is the point of no return.

Now it is possible that there have been further improvements in the interim, but, since we are offering TeNNs as software, it can be updated on the run, not something that can be done with a SoC.

Given that we are offering TeNNs software, this should accelerate income as software does not have the same manufacturing delay as the SoC.

... but, once again I must caution against using such speculation as the basis for investment decisions.

This is by far one of your most easy to understand posts . You are truly an asset to this group @Diogenese. Thank you.

 

[Diogenese]

This is by far one of your most easy to understand posts . You are truly an asset to this group @Diogenese. Thank you.

Thanks Jc,

I don't intend to be obscure!

I was quite pleased with my Prophesee DVS/TeNNs analogy about object detection and object tracking, but maybe I overdid the technical details?

You see, a pixel is a photovoltaic cell which generates a voltage whose amplitude is proportional to the strength of the light it is exposed to, and ...

 

[manny100]

How do i purchase AKIDA Gen2 which includes TENNs and ViT?
Co pilot:
" The second-generation Akida platform, which incorporates both Temporal Event-Based Neural Nets (TENNs) and Vision Transformers (ViTs), is indeed available for purchase. However, BrainChip has not yet publicly disclosed the pricing details. You can connect with BrainChip’s sales department to inquire about availability and obtain accurate information on purchasing options123. They’ll be able to guide you through the process and provide any necessary assistance. "
It appears that you have to 'engage' with sales before you can get a price.

 

[Diogenese]

How do i purchase AKIDA Gen2 which includes TENNs and ViT?
Co pilot:
" The second-generation Akida platform, which incorporates both Temporal Event-Based Neural Nets (TENNs) and Vision Transformers (ViTs), is indeed available for purchase. However, BrainChip has not yet publicly disclosed the pricing details. You can connect with BrainChip’s sales department to inquire about availability and obtain accurate information on purchasing options123. They’ll be able to guide you through the process and provide any necessary assistance. "
It appears that you have to 'engage' with sales before you can get a price.

Well you do have to negotiate an IP licence.

 

[Guzzi62]

Well you do have to negotiate an IP licence.

How about some smaller companies only needing maybe less than 10.000 chips?

As I understand it, there is nowhere a smaller company can go and purchase 10k chips?

Can you even buy Akida1 over the counter?

I am not a business man and are having a hard time understanding how this all works.

What I can make sense of:

The companies interested in an IP deal is perhaps the companies selling solutions to other companies like TATA.

MB have their own development branch and it's likely quite big with a huge budget and lots of people, we all hope they sign one day. We will never forget the day the SP spiked over 2$ (MB using us in their concept car) only to drop over the next years.

 

[DingoBorat]

This smells like hard manipulation… you can not be so stupid… you write hewlett-Packard correct but messed up brainchip???? Come on

That my low numbered friend, is no mess up..
If it "was" a spelling error, you could understand..
That's not even close.. At least they got the first 2 letters right and there's enough there, that you can still "read" it..

I think we need to get a think tank together here and sort this out once and for all!

 

[Jacob Kiraz]

Gidday Esq.

Some of us had Brainchip linked to Lockheed Martin back in late 2018/2019 but never quite over the line.

The Fact has produced a very nice list, but I'm not the only one thinking why no IP signings, are they all NOW WAITING for
AKD III to surface during 2025, as that's when I personally expect to see it enter from stage left.

Feeling a little frustrated with how our share price is still being "professionally contained" in a band that has no musicians.

Let's start cranking this baby up, a decade is approaching for many of us.

The share price is what it is because everybody is taking the 14 day free trial period and not signing up

 

[DingoBorat]

Ukraine, is now using Robot Dogs in the war against Russia.

Ukraine unleashes ‘four-legged killing machines’ against Putin’s forces

In a real-life version of the 1987 hit Robocop, Ukraine’s military has already deployed 30 British-made robotic dogs for reconnaissance in combat ...

www.intellinews.com

"But the country’s ambitions get even more sci-fi: plans abound for a homemade ‘army of robots’ complete with AI-powered machine guns and driverless cars, reported The Daily Mail"

Apparently operator controlled and not yet autonomous.

I read something somewhere, that "kills" must still be made by human action, with autonomous type weaponry.

If that's true, I don't see that lasting long.

 

[Pom down under]

How about some smaller companies only needing maybe less than 10.000 chips?

As I understand it, there is nowhere a smaller company can go and purchase 10k chips?

Can you even buy Akida1 over the counter?

I am not a business man and are having a hard time understanding how this all works.

What I can make sense of:

The companies interested in an IP deal is perhaps the companies selling solutions to other companies like TATA.

MB have their own development branch and it's likely quite big with a huge budget and lots of people, we all hope they sign one day. We will never forget the day the SP spiked over 2$ (MB using us in their concept car) only to drop over the next years.

 

[Pom down under]

I think we need to get a think tank together here and sort this out once and for all!


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[Pom down under]

Evening TECH ,

Agree fully.

Think I have been in over five or six years now , in which time there has been many times when management have intimated IMMINENT sales , only to be let down time and time again.

The fact we continue to renumerate in such fashion senior leadership??? Past and present for non tangible results is bewildering to say the least.

Technology obviously works well , so no problems there .... I'll leave it up to others to figure out were the problem may be .

Waiting impatiently like most , and not even remotely amused how holders have been treated thus far.

Regards,
Esq.

Hopefully once they finally stop upgrading Akida allowing the customer to incorporate it into a product without them thinking we might as well wait for the next version to be released. Us still waiting patiently on the release of Akida 432

 

[manny100]

Ukraine, is now using Robot Dogs in the war against Russia.

View attachment 68300

Ukraine unleashes ‘four-legged killing machines’ against Putin’s forces

In a real-life version of the 1987 hit Robocop, Ukraine’s military has already deployed 30 British-made robotic dogs for reconnaissance in combat ...

www.intellinews.com

"But the country’s ambitions get even more sci-fi: plans abound for a homemade ‘army of robots’ complete with AI-powered machine guns and driverless cars, reported The Daily Mail"

Apparently operator controlled and not yet autonomous.

I read something somewhere, that "kills" must still be made by human action, with autonomous type weaponry.

If that's true, I don't see that lasting long.

Gen3 will revolutionise robot and Drone warfare.
GEN 3 will be programmable by 'lay people' so operators will be able to self programm their drones and remain at a safer distance.
Drones etc will be able to clearly identify targets without operator input and be capable of making 'split second' unemotional decisions.
AKIDA's power saving will also allow greater flying time for battery powered drones.
Numerous other obvious advantages of AKIDA as well.
The size of the market is unimaginable.
Apart from warfare Gen 3 will also revolutionise commercial Drone and robot use. Deliveries, care, specific business needs etc. Being able to alter your system yourself easily and quickly speaks for itself. Efficiency gains.

 

[manny100]

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