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The whole AI thing is like milk … you can do a lot of different stuff with it… just add some lemon and you will have creme cheese… and there is more to discover… very exciting… I can only speak for myself, since the deeps. Announcement, I am more confident. Things will moving faster now
 
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Ladies and gentlemen, Akida in Action giving DeepSeek a knock out after he thought he had knocked out the AI industry.


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Correct me if Iam wrong research partners are not defined as partners that will be used in a car ? . Nit picking isn’t the answer to the facts there are no neuromorphic partnerships announced to date that will be known to the market until Mercedes advise on this topic.

Nitpicking? Hang on, you literally wrote
They have no reason to announce any particular partnerships of any kind until such time, so we continue to speculate.

hence my comment about the research partnerships they recently announced, and besides, research partnerships can of course eventually lead to the real deal. Why do you think they are doing such research in the first place?! Just for fun? Would they pick partners they could never ever imagine signing a deal with? And how about Akida in the EQXX - was that not research that could potentially lead to the signing of an IP license?

At least we can agree on “So we continue to speculate.”

We’ll likely need quite a bit of patience, though, as the journalists who were recently shown around MB’s Future Technologies Lab, were told by MB’s neuromorphic researchers that the technology were “still in its infancy” and required “extensive testing and certification” before going into production cars, saying they were expecting the hardware to be available in the 2030s

cf references to various online articles 👇🏻
Today, numerous articles on some of the promising future technologies Mercedes-Benz is exploring were published online, after the carmaker had recently invited journalists to its Future Technologies Lab in Sindelfingen.

And of course - you guessed it - neuromorphic computing was one of them.
(I also find solar coating another interesting concept).

There was also a press release by MB itself:

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Playmobil-Männchen im Einsatz… 😀

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German magazine auto, motor und sport published both an online article and a video on MB & neuromorphic computing earlier today (both in German) that literally confirm what I’ve been suspecting: that Mercedes-Benz is nowhere near to implementing neuromorphic technology at scale into their serial cars…




“Der Weg in die Serie ist noch weit.” - “It’s still a long way to serial cars”.

“Bis neuromorphe Chips ihren Weg ins Auto finden, wird es wohl noch einige Jahre dauern.” - “It’ll probably take a few years / It looks as if it will still take a few years until neuromorphic chips will find their way into (serial) cars.”


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“Diese Technologie steht jedoch noch am Anfang und erfordert umfangreiche Tests und Zertifizierungen, bevor sie in Autos eingesetzt werden kann.”

“However, this technology is still in its infancy and requires extensive testing and certification before it can be used in cars.”

Something similar is said in the video itself around the 5 min mark.


Other articles are behind a paywall, but maybe one of you happens to be a subscriber and could check out whether there are any additional snippets of interest worth sharing?





My guess is that the next Mercedes-Benz LinkedIn post regarding NC will give us some more details about the research collaboration with HKA (Hochschule Karlsruhe) on neuromorphic cameras. Or it might be a post announcing the collaboration between Mercedes and Neurobus that I had spotted on Nov 12 (https://thestockexchange.com.au/threads/brn-discussion-ongoing.1/post-441454).

Here are two more articles by journalists who attended MB’s recent Future Technologies Lab Open House. Both describe NC as a potential solution to drastically cut the energy consumption of SAE Level 4 autonomous functions and quote Mercedes-Benz engineers as saying they were expecting such neuromorphic hardware to become available in the 2030s

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The exact same article can be found on the Handelsblatt website as well:




Also note that Markus Schäfer calls the MB Future Technologies Lab their early-tech kitchen - in my opinion that’s yet another hint that we won’t be seeing the visionary ideas cooked up there implemented in any serial cars about to be released…


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Which also means that BrainChip’s current advantage of already having a commercially available neuromorphic chip or IP is no longer going to be that relevant in a few years’ time. For the time being, research chips will do…
 
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Can somebody please email Mr Dawe and ask for the top 20 that normally accompanies the quarterly reports .

Thanks .
 
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Nitpicking? Hang on, you literally wrote


hence my comment about the research partnerships they recently announced, and besides, research partnerships can of course eventually lead to the real deal. Why do you think they are doing such research in the first place?! Just for fun? Would they pick partners they could never ever imagine signing a deal with? And how about Akida in the EQXX - was that not research that could lead to the signing of an IP license?

At least we can agree on “So we continue to speculate.”

We’ll likely need a quite a bit of patience, though, as the journalists who were recently shown around MB’s Future Technologies Lab, were told by MB’s neuromorphic researchers that the technology were “still in its infancy” and required “extensive testing and certification” before going into production cars, saying they were expecting the
Nitpicking? Hang on, you literally wrote


hence my comment about the research partnerships they recently announced, and besides, research partnerships can of course eventually lead to the real deal. Why do you think they are doing such research in the first place?! Just for fun? Would they pick partners they could never ever imagine signing a deal with? And how about Akida in the EQXX - was that not research that could lead to the signing of an IP license?

At least we can agree on “So we continue to speculate.”

We’ll likely need quite a bit of patience, though, as the journalists who were recently shown around MB’s Future Technologies Lab, were told by MB’s neuromorphic researchers that the technology were “still in its infancy” and required “extensive testing and certification” before going into production cars, saying they were expecting the hardware to be available in the 2030s

cf references to various online articles 👇🏻





Which also means that BrainChip’s current advantage of already having a commercially available neuromorphic chip or IP is no longer going to be that relevant in a few years’ time. For the time being, research chips will do…
Pongy I am going to have to put-you on ignore due to your nit picking and lack of understanding which shows to me your objective is to annoy and Cleary consider yourself the best thing around.
Best day of my life 😜
 
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Can somebody please email Mr Dawe and ask for the top 20 that normally accompanies the quarterly reports .

Thanks .
you could, easy as :)
 
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Solid grey… long time no see
 

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Well they are using an alias, but this looks like DeepSeek's patent:

CN118798303A Large language model training method, question and answer method, equipment, medium and productPatent Translate 20240913

ALIYUN FEITIAN HANGZHOU CLOUD COMPUTING TECH CO LTD

Inventors FENG WENFENG; ZHANG YUEWEI; ZENG ZHENYU

The invention provides a large language model training method, a question and answer method, equipment, a medium and a product, and relates to the technical field of artificial intelligence, the training method comprises the following steps: obtaining long text training data, the sequence length of the long text training data being greater than the maximum length of an input text sequence of a pre-trained large language model; increasing a rotation angle base number of a rotation position code of the pre-trained large language model to obtain a modified pre-trained large language model; and training the modified pre-trained large language model by using the long text training data to obtain a trained large language model. In the embodiment, the pre-trained large language model is trained by acquiring the long text training data and increasing the base number of the rotation angles of the rotation position codes, so that the length of the input text sequence is amplified, and the trained large language model can process the long text sequence; and the answer integrity and accuracy of the large language model on questions dependent on long texts and multi-document comparison are improved.
I'll never forget what Peter told me a few years ago when some of the Brainchip team were visiting China, don't leave your laptops lying around or connect through any of their networks (servers)...such trust.

Yes, I think I'm right in saying that we have 2 patents issued in China, we have been assured the process we followed would insure that any domestic (Chinese) company who attempted to steal our trade secrets would be dealt with by the CCP, that I believe came from the Chinese Patent Attorney based in Los Angeles that Brainchip engaged.

On a personal note...I wouldn't trust a Chinese company if my life depended on it, and NO I'm not a racist, I have taught many Chinese how to play golf and individually they are very nice people, it's the control the CCP has over their citizens worldwide, that's the problem...sleeper cells cover the globe, wake up to the fact that ants work as a team once the consequences are laid bare.

Have a nice evening.
 
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I'll never forget what Peter told me a few years ago when some of the Brainchip team were visiting China, don't leave your laptops lying around or connect through any of their networks (servers)...such trust.

Yes, I think I'm right in saying that we have 2 patents issued in China, we have been assured the process we followed would insure that any domestic (Chinese) company who attempted to steal our trade secrets would be dealt with by the CCP, that I believe came from the Chinese Patent Attorney based in Los Angeles that Brainchip engaged.

On a personal note...I wouldn't trust a Chinese company if my life depended on it, and NO I'm not a racist, I have taught many Chinese how to play golf and individually they are very nice people, it's the control the CCP has over their citizens worldwide, that's the problem...sleeper cells cover the globe, wake up to the fact that ants work as a team once the consequences are laid bare.

Have a nice evening.
I was told by a Chinese man himself while working in China that to win is the most important thing to them even if it’s against the initial agreement. I have had several products developed in China over the years and after receiving the samples I went ahead with large orders only to receive a different product. When questioned why there was a difference to the sample their response is this first one sample. I have heard of many cases over the years in many different businesses that receive the same outcome.
 
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I'll never forget what Peter told me a few years ago when some of the Brainchip team were visiting China, don't leave your laptops lying around or connect through any of their networks (servers)...such trust.

Yes, I think I'm right in saying that we have 2 patents issued in China, we have been assured the process we followed would insure that any domestic (Chinese) company who attempted to steal our trade secrets would be dealt with by the CCP, that I believe came from the Chinese Patent Attorney based in Los Angeles that Brainchip engaged.

On a personal note...I wouldn't trust a Chinese company if my life depended on it, and NO I'm not a racist, I have taught many Chinese how to play golf and individually they are very nice people, it's the control the CCP has over their citizens worldwide, that's the problem...sleeper cells cover the globe, wake up to the fact that ants work as a team once the consequences are laid bare.

Have a nice evening.
We had an Inivation centre in China circa March 2020.. maybe it hadn’t quite come online before covid hit..


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An IT association based in the Ukrainian city of Chernivtsi organised the AI Hills Conference that took place there on Saturday and brought together over 200 participants interested in AI.

Since one of the invited speakers happened to be a gentleman presenting on neuromorphic chips, I decided to have a closer look at the uploaded conference pictures and video, since we’ve known for over a year that Ukraine-based Data Science UA has been playing around with Akida. And bingo - the speaker did indeed represent Data Science UA!



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According to my Google Lens translation, Ilya Babichev started out talking about the advantages and disadvantages of neuromorphic chips in general - the disadvantages being that precision-wise, they have yet to prove themselves more accurate than the “classic” (= von Neumann) architecture, that the software for NC has not yet caught up with the hardware and that well-defined performance benchmarks were still missing.

After introducing AKD1000, he listed at least three different use cases, namely drone detection (obviously a very important real life use case in 2025 Ukraine!), keyword detection and recognition of surface types, such as identifying areas of soil suitable for planting crops with the help of a quadcopter, in areas where forest fires and deforestation have resulted in land that can be repurposed for agriculture.



Wow, great find, Frangipani!
 
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Can somebody please email Mr Dawe and ask for the top 20 that normally accompanies the quarterly reports .

Thanks .

Why don't you do it yourself? Are we your servants? :unsure:
 
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I'll never forget what Peter told me a few years ago when some of the Brainchip team were visiting China, don't leave your laptops lying around or connect through any of their networks (servers)...such trust.

Yes, I think I'm right in saying that we have 2 patents issued in China, we have been assured the process we followed would insure that any domestic (Chinese) company who attempted to steal our trade secrets would be dealt with by the CCP, that I believe came from the Chinese Patent Attorney based in Los Angeles that Brainchip engaged.

On a personal note...I wouldn't trust a Chinese company if my life depended on it, and NO I'm not a racist, I have taught many Chinese how to play golf and individually they are very nice people, it's the control the CCP has over their citizens worldwide, that's the problem...sleeper cells cover the globe, wake up to the fact that ants work as a team once the consequences are laid bare.

Have a nice evening.
When it comes to power no one better than other. e.g tiktok take the same data whatsoever facebook, whatsapp, Instragram, twitter take from us, the only difference is that share that data with US govt while tiktok do the same with ccp.
Right now china is leader in renewables, battery, mining etc and they are far ahead of western world. In AI they are catching up fast with western world.
I am neither for china or against China but matter of fact everyone salute the rising sun. If you donot know how to adjust with that, that will be a negative.
Dyor
 
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Allegations that associates of DeepSeek have made off with a chunk of Open AI and Microsoft data they were not entitled to.
Maybe QV/BRN M/Lockheed-Martin could have closed the entry points presenting opportunities for unauthorised access.
 
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Allegations that associates of DeepSeek have made off with a chunk of Open AI and Microsoft data they were not entitled to.
Maybe QV/BRN M/Lockheed-Martin could have closed the entry points presenting opportunities for unauthorised access.
DS acknowledge using public domain models.
 
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A video going along with that paper was uploaded to YouTube yesterday:



Both paper and video relate to another paper and video published by the same Uni Tübingen authors earlier this year. At a cursory glance, at least the videos (posted about six months apart) appear to be VERY similar:

https://thestockexchange.com.au/threads/brn-discussion-ongoing.1/post-416900


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Now compare the slides to those in the video uploaded October 3:

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In fact, when I just tried to cursorily compare the new paper to the March 15 paper that @Fullmoonfever had linked at the time (https://thestockexchange.com.au/threads/brn-discussion-ongoing.1/post-416313), I discovered that the link he had posted then now connects directly to this new paper, published on September 16, so it seems to be an updated version of the previous paper.

I did notice the addition of another co-author, though: Sebastian Otte, who used to be a PhD student and postdoc at Uni Tübingen (2013-2023) and became Professor at Uni Lübeck’s Institute for Robotics and Cognitive Systems just over a year ago, where he heads the Adaptive AI research group.

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To put the results that our competitors’ neuromorphic offerings fared worse in the benchmarking tests alongside Akida somewhat into perspective:
In all fairness, it should be highlighted that Akida’s superiority was at least partly due to the fact that AKD1000 is available as a PCIe Board, whereas SynSense’s DynapCNN was connected to the PC via USB and - as the excerpt Gazzafish already posted shows - the researchers did not have direct access to a Loihi 2 edge device, but merely through a virtual machine provided by Intel via their Neuromorphic Research Cloud. The benchmarking would obviously yield better comparable results if the actual hardware used were of a similar form factor:

“Our results show that the better a neuromorphic edge device is connected to the main compute unit, e.g., as a PCIe card, the better the overall run-time.”


Anyway, Akida undoubtedly impressed the researchers, and as a result they are considering further experiments: “(…) future work could involve evaluating the system with an additional Akida PCIe card.”


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In an earlier post (https://thestockexchange.com.au/threads/brn-discussion-ongoing.1/post-426404), I had already mentioned that the paper’s first author, Andreas Ziegler, who is doing a PhD in robotics and computer vision at Uni Tübingen, has meanwhile completed his internship at Sony AI in Switzerland (that - as we know - partially funded the paper’s research):

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Fun fact: One of his co-authors, Karl Vetter, however, is no longer with Uni Tübingen’s Cognitive Systems Lab, but has since moved to France, where he has been working as a research engineer for…

🥁 🥁 🥁 Neurobus for the past three months!
It’s a small world, isn’t it?! 😉

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Three days ago, first author Andreas Ziegler gave a talk on the recent table tennis robot research conducted at Uni Tübingen 👆🏻 during the Neuromorphic Vision Hackathon at ZHAW (Zürcher Hochschule für Angewandte Wissenschaften / Zurich University of Applied Sciences), where robotics and neuromorphic computing expert Yulia Sandamirskaya (ex Intel Labs) heads the Research Centre “Cognitive Computing in Life Sciences” at ZHAW’s Wädenswil campus.

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While the content of his presentation is not new for those of you who already read the paper or saw the video, I thought the way he presented it was quite cool, with all the embedded videos! Have a look yourselves:


Anyway, more exposure for Akida and those favourable benchmarking results (even though it is unclear how much influence the hardware’s form factor had, see my post above).



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In Andreas Ziegler’s updated CV (https://andreasaziegler.github.io/), we can now see who his supervisors were during his internship at Sony AI (that funded this research): Raphaela Kreiser and Nagoya Takahashi:

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The revised paper 👆🏻on Uni Tübingen research involving Akida (🏓 🤖), which was partially funded by Sony AI, got accepted for ICRA 2025, the International Conference on Robotics & Automation in Atlanta (19-23 May). 🥳


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As mentioned previously, the additional co-author of the revised version, Sebastian Otte, who used to be a PhD student and postdoc at Uni Tübingen (2013-2023), became a professor at Uni Lübeck’s Institute for Robotics and Cognitive Systems in September 2023, where he heads the Adaptive AI research group. He also leads the University of Lübeck research team that is collaborating with Mercedes-Benz, Intel and other partners on the NAOMI4Radar project (using Loihi 2). Otte is a uni researcher who has got first-hand experience with both Akida and Loihi, and has also expressed his appreciation for both:

https://thestockexchange.com.au/threads/brn-discussion-ongoing.1/post-438969

The other co-author named in Andreas Ziegler’s LinkedIn post, whose Master’s thesis was the initial basis for the research at Uni Tübingen that was to follow and ultimately led to the paper now accepted for ICRA 2025, is Karl Vetter, who left academia last July to work for BrainChip’s partner Neurobus (who are also partnered with Prophesee and Intel).


After winning first place at the European Defense Tech Hackathon in Paris two months ago…

Gregor Lenz, Florian Corgnou and Karl Vetter from BrainChip’s partner Neurobus were part of a team that came in first 🥇 at the European Defense Tech Hackathon, which took place in Paris over the weekend.
Their winning solution titled Automatic event-based detection and tracking of UAVs and Shahed drones in challenging lighting conditions “showcased the ground-breaking potential of neuromorphic event-based cameras (…) paving the way for smarter, faster and more efficient defense-systems”.

As you may have guessed from the mentioning of the Iranian-designed Shahed drones (which are also known by their Russian designation Geran-2), the 34 projects in total were far from being destined for storage in an ivory tower of academia: European defense company Helsing AI was a key partner of that hackathon, which was also supported by the Ministry of Defence of Ukraine.

The challenges were based on real-world problems gathered from our partners, who have delivered solutions to the frontline, from building underwater reconnaissance systems to the interception of Shahed drones and helicopters and swarm coordination in GPS-denied environments.”





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… the team from Neurobus must be keen on defending their title at the upcoming European Defense Tech Hackathon in Munich, held in conjunction with the renowned Munich Security Conference:


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Hopefully with a little help from Akida?
 
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Inferencing....thought to be BRN's strong suit...next frontier of AI

BZAI ....more proactive with news releases


BWI Investment in Blaize (BZAI) Highlights Efficiency as the Key to DeepSeek Advancements
Business Wire
Tue, January 28, 2025 at 6:00 AM CST 2 min read


In This Article:​

BZAI
+8.93%

BZAIW
+13.99%

  • With DeepSeek driving market conversations, Blaize’s focus on low-cost Edge AI chips and scalable small language models positions it as a leader in inferencing—the next frontier of AI.
  • Trump Calls DeepSeek AI a ‘Wake-Up Call,’ Highlights Need for Innovation in AI Methods

Emphasis mine
 
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