BRN Discussion Ongoing

[Makeme 2020]

Hi BL

Rob’s always promoting edge impulses too!

Either they’re good mates as they would be moving in the same circles, or

We r working with them on something, or

As they’re in the same industry they’re just supporting each?

I’m hopeful a product comes out as Edge Impulses are kicking goals!

Cheers

Zach Shelby the founder of Edge Impulse was a Ex Arm VP, Probably good friends with Rob.

 

[Stable Genius]

Just watching the news while having lunch.

Boeing just awarded $34M to build a unmanned aircraft for defence.

How much of that’s heading our way?

 

[Dang Son]

From the article what can they say? It reads to me that SiFive is contacting all specialist chip ip producers to ensure that risc-v is compatible with all of them. To their credit Brainchip have been the first to respond. If there is no $ value of the work both parties are applying to the joint effort, and no estimate of the expected $'s out then it wont fly with the ASX. I know it is frustrating. Better to take heart in the fact that here aren't lots of BS announcements that only undermine the cred of the management.

I don't consider it unreasonable to expect company updates on news worth events, not necessarily market sensitive nor in breach of NDA but keeping the market appropriately updated officially through ASX.

What are the ASX Listing Rules?

When must a listed entity disclose information to the market via the market operator?

Under Listing Rule 3.1, an entity must disclose all information concerning it that it becomes aware of from any source and of any character, if a reasonable person would expect the information to have a material effect on the price or value of its securities.

 

[Diogenese]

I don't consider it unreasonable to expect company updates on news worth events, not necessarily market sensitive nor in breach of NDA but keeping the market appropriately updated officially through ASX.

What are the ASX Listing Rules?

When must a listed entity disclose information to the market via the market operator?

Under Listing Rule 3.1, an entity must disclose all information concerning it that it becomes aware of from any source and of any character, if a reasonable person would expect the information to have a material effect on the price or value of its securities.

Hi Dang Son,

Are there any exceptions to Rule 3.1?

 

[TECH]

I have been in contact with the founder of this company, check out this link...www.orbai.ai/about-us

"That would be very interesting, as we are looking for a partner in the hardware sector that is working with SNNs"

Potentially another opportunity, doors must remain open as we expand our reach, in my opinion of course...

 

[Straw]

Geez those bots are going to have to get a lot more generous if they are going to get my shares.
Just not trying hard enough! (have to be at least many more 100s % increases)

 

[ndefries]

I have been in contact with the founder of this company, check out this link...www.orbai.ai/about-us

"That would be very interesting, as we are looking for a partner in the hardware sector that is working with SNNs"

Potentially another opportunity, doors must remain open as we expand our reach, in my opinion of course...

that is great - it is creative companies like this that show how good our model is going to prove. They get a chip from us, play with it and we become part of their business model and collect $.

 

[uiux]

View attachment 4713
this image from SiFive article is the perfect example of the 64 pack of AKIDA as an NPU that Diogenus spoke of.
My take is that Sifive are fishing for completion to AKIDA and will come back as NASA did with Brainchip as sole supplier because nobody else has one to compete

That diagram is a single Akida chip

 

[davidfitz]

I mean, it's none of my business, but does anyone know why Edge Impulse is promoting Brainchips partnership on their Twitter page?

Seems odd to that they come on our podcast, boasts about Neuromorphic Edge AI, which is low power alternative that takes up energy of only AAA batteries for a long period of time (hmm, now where have I heard that before? ) on their social media on a daily basis, shares Brainchips partnership with other companies, and a few other social media exchanges around.

I'm struggling to see why, may be someone could help.

View attachment 4712

They are also part of the Edge AI and Vision Alliance which appears to be growing quite steadily. I have mentioned this before but you will see some familiar names especially the ones we are working with or have sold our IP to.

Overtime I expect we will have a close relationship with a majority of them.

Members - Edge AI and Vision Alliance

Alliance Members A who’s who of the industry The Edge AI and Vision Alliance is a collaboration to accelerate the adoption of AI and practical computer vision features in products and systems. We’re honored to count the following companies as our members. (Click on any logo to learn more about...

www.edge-ai-vision.com

Alliance Members​

A who's who of the industry​

The Edge AI and Vision Alliance is a collaboration to accelerate the adoption of AI and practical computer vision features in products and systems.

 

[Iseki]

I don't consider it unreasonable to expect company updates on news worth events, not necessarily market sensitive nor in breach of NDA but keeping the market appropriately updated officially through ASX.

What are the ASX Listing Rules?

When must a listed entity disclose information to the market via the market operator?

Under Listing Rule 3.1, an entity must disclose all information concerning it that it becomes aware of from any source and of any character, if a reasonable person would expect the information to have a material effect on the price or value of its securities.

The key word is material. If a news item pumps the price by 5% and it then drops back a few days later when the news item is understood to be a $0 collaboration with no budgeted outcome, it's not material, IMHO

 

[Bravo]

Could someone please email Peter Van Der Made to inform him that there are more than 5 senses because he might want to include some of these in the next gen AKIDA 2000 and AKIDA 3000.

 

[Diogenese]

I have been in contact with the founder of this company, check out this link...www.orbai.ai/about-us

"That would be very interesting, as we are looking for a partner in the hardware sector that is working with SNNs"

Potentially another opportunity, doors must remain open as we expand our reach, in my opinion of course...

Hi Tech,

orbai has a pending patent application for the method, and one for the system architecture:

WO2019246116A1 APPARATUS AND METHOD FOR UTILIZING A PARAMETER GENOME CHARACTERIZING NEURAL NETWORK CONNECTIONS AS A BUILDING BLOCK TO CONSTRUCT A NEURAL NETWORK WITH FEEDFORWARD AND FEEDBACK PATHS

A method of forming a neural network includes specifying layers of neural network neurons. A parameter genome is defined with numerical parameters characterizing connections between neural network neurons in the layers of neural network neurons, where the connections are defined from a neuron in a current layer to neurons in a set of adjacent layers, and where the parameter genome has a unique representation characterized by kilobytes of numerical parameters. Parameter genomes are combined into a connectome characterizing all connections between all neural network neurons in the connectome, where the connectome has in excess of millions of neural network neurons and billions of connections between the neural network neurons.

A method of forming a neural network includes specifying layers of neural network neurons. A parameter genome is defined with numerical parameters characterizing connections between neural network neurons in the layers of neural network neurons, where the connections are defined from a neuron in a current layer to neurons in a set of adjacent layers, and where the parameter genome has a unique representation characterized by kilobytes of numerical parameters. Parameter genomes are combined into a connectome characterizing all connections between all neural network neurons in the connectome, where the connectome has in excess of millions of neural network neurons and billions of connections between the neural network neurons.

I haven't read the whole patent, just abstracts, because I value the remnants of my sanity.

They talk of "parameter genomes" and "connectomes". My uninformed guess is that the "parameter genomes" may be somewhat equivalent to individual neuron "weights" in a SNN. The "genome" is the combination of all "parameter genomes" in the whole SNN, so the genomes could be equated to the overall model used in a real SNN, and from which the weights are derived.

Returning to Figure 2, parameter genomes are expanded into connectomes 206. More particularly, the parameter genomes are put through a set of mathematical stages to form a connectome. A connectome characterizes all connections between all neurons in the connectome of the neural network. The neural network connectomes can have on the order of thousands of connections per neuron and contain billions of neurons or more. The parameter genomes are expanded into a connectome in accordance with an algorithmic process with a deterministic mathematical model. In one embodiment, the deterministic mathematical process receives numeric parameter to generate a two-dimensional grayscale map. Multiple two-dimensional grayscale maps may then be combined to produce a final grayscale map.
...
An example is a multiply, which is a pixel-by-pixel multiplication of the two input pixels to get the output pixel, which is done for every pixel in the maps. Generation of procedural maps and combining them in mathematical operations is commonly used in many 2D and 3D drawing and modelling software programs for digital art and visual effects, but we show a novel use of them to expand parameters to maps, and compositing those maps using these operations to make a probability map to define connections from neurons in one layer to neurons in another layer.

It is an iterative design process:

The best aggregated neural network connectomes are then selected 210 and tested against design criteria 212. If the design criteria is not met (212 - No), control returns to blocks 204-212. If the design criteria is met (212 - Yes), the final neural network is deployed..
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US2019385704A1 APPARATUS AND METHOD FOR UTILIZING A PARAMETER GENOME CHARACTERIZING NEURAL NETWORK CONNECTIONS AS A BUILDING BLOCK TO CONSTRUCT A NEURAL NETWORK WITH FEEDFORWARD AND FEEDBACK PATHS

All 20 claims are subject to objection/rejection by USPTO:

https://register.epo.org/documentView?number=US.201916437838.A&documentId=1-14-US++164378380JP1+

The fact that the patent may be rejected would not, on its own, prevent orbai implementing their process. However, if it infringes earlier patents which are still in force would be a problem.

 

[Yak52]

With a CLOSE of AUD$1.05 on both the USA & EURO Markets last night its embarrassing to see on the ASX that BRN falling back down to 98c level after a $1.01 daily high.
What will tonights overseas markets reaction be?

The shorters are still here though they are probably the common variety not the Insto kind at this point. The 1.3 mil shorts taken out on Tuesday would seem to support this thought. A half decent 4C and the smell of crispy Shorters will be very strong!

And it would not seem totally impossible to have an Announcement with News before the 4C comes out late next week either reading the tea leaves. Shorters have become reckless perhaps? ouch!

Too much media news around Ai and BRN and collaborations for this puppy to stay so low.

The ONE thing we can rely on is the 4C will have more revenue than the last one did. That will be a positive indicator that likely will increase SP regardless of how much revenue that is.

My opinions only, DYOR.

Yak52

 

[Dang Son]

Hi Dang Son,

Are there any exceptions to Rule 3.1?

Would a reasonable person expect the information to have a material effect on the price or value of the entity’s securities? Is the information within one of these categories?
1. It would be a breach of law to disclose the information
2. The information concerns an incomplete proposal or negotiation
3. The information concerns matters of supposition or is insufficiently definite to warrant disclosure
4. The information is generated for internal management purposes
5. The information is a trade secret . Is the information confidential?
Would a reasonable person expect the information to be disclosed in the circumstances?
Has ASX advised that in its opinion the information is no longer confidential?
If No , The information must be disclosed immediately under Listing Rule 3.1

~Considering the news articles in question are mutually agreed media releases concerning product development partnerships, they are most likely reasonable to be expected for ASX disclosure
The company is happy to inform of its progress achievements via global media but not on the appropriate official ASX chanel .
There seems to me to be a disconnect with disclosure logic between Brainchip Inc CA and the ASX market.
Brainchip has an ASX compliance advisor based in Sydney whose advice values possible don't align with shareholder interests. IMO

 

[Diogenese]

Would a reasonable person expect the information to have a material effect on the price or value of the entity’s securities? Is the information within one of these categories?
1. It would be a breach of law to disclose the information
2. The information concerns an incomplete proposal or negotiation
3. The information concerns matters of supposition or is insufficiently definite to warrant disclosure
4. The information is generated for internal management purposes
5. The information is a trade secret . Is the information confidential?
Would a reasonable person expect the information to be disclosed in the circumstances?
Has ASX advised that in its opinion the information is no longer confidential?
If No , The information must be disclosed immediately under Listing Rule 3.1

~Considering the news articles in question are mutually agreed media releases concerning product development partnerships, they are most likely reasonable to be expected for ASX disclosure
The company is happy to inform of its progress achievements via global media but not on the appropriate official ASX chanel .
There seems to me to be a disconnect with disclosure logic between Brainchip Inc CA and the ASX market.
Brainchip has an ASX compliance advisor based in Sydney whose advice values possible don't align with shareholder interests. IMO

Thanks Dang Son,

I'm sure no BrainChip employees would be working counter to shareholder interests, even those in nefarious places like Sydney. Perhaps the ASX is the final arbiter on what gets to be an ASX announcement.

 

[Fox151]

With a CLOSE of AUD$1.05 on both the USA & EURO Markets last night its embarrassing to see on the ASX that BRN falling back down to 98c level after a $1.01 daily high.
What will tonights overseas markets reaction be?

The shorters are still here though they are probably the common variety not the Insto kind at this point. The 1.3 mil shorts taken out on Tuesday would seem to support this thought. A half decent 4C and the smell of crispy Shorters will be very strong!

And it would not seem totally impossible to have an Announcement with News before the 4C comes out late next week either reading the tea leaves. Shorters have become reckless perhaps? ouch!

Too much media news around Ai and BRN and collaborations for this puppy to stay so low.

The ONE thing we can rely on is the 4C will have more revenue than the last one did. That will be a positive indicator that likely will increase SP regardless of how much revenue that is.

My opinions only, DYOR.

Yak52

Wouldn't you be filthy being a shorter if the next announcement bounces it back to $2.40...

 

[thelittleshort]

With a CLOSE of AUD$1.05 on both the USA & EURO Markets last night its embarrassing to see on the ASX that BRN falling back down to 98c level after a $1.01 daily high.
What will tonights overseas markets reaction be?

The shorters are still here though they are probably the common variety not the Insto kind at this point. The 1.3 mil shorts taken out on Tuesday would seem to support this thought. A half decent 4C and the smell of crispy Shorters will be very strong!

And it would not seem totally impossible to have an Announcement with News before the 4C comes out late next week either reading the tea leaves. Shorters have become reckless perhaps? ouch!

Too much media news around Ai and BRN and collaborations for this puppy to stay so low.

The ONE thing we can rely on is the 4C will have more revenue than the last one did. That will be a positive indicator that likely will increase SP regardless of how much revenue that is.

My opinions only, DYOR.

Yak52

 

[Dang Son]

That diagram is a single Akida chip

Wow thanks uiux, that make Dio's vision of a 64 gang AKIDA that much more impressive.

 

[VictorG]

Sleep tight shorters, once you lose all your money, you can get a job as WANCA's

 

[wilzy123]

With a CLOSE of AUD$1.05 on both the USA & EURO Markets last night its embarrassing to see on the ASX that BRN falling back down to 98c level after a $1.01 daily high.
What will tonights overseas markets reaction be?

The shorters are still here though they are probably the common variety not the Insto kind at this point. The 1.3 mil shorts taken out on Tuesday would seem to support this thought. A half decent 4C and the smell of crispy Shorters will be very strong!

And it would not seem totally impossible to have an Announcement with News before the 4C comes out late next week either reading the tea leaves. Shorters have become reckless perhaps? ouch!

Too much media news around Ai and BRN and collaborations for this puppy to stay so low.

The ONE thing we can rely on is the 4C will have more revenue than the last one did. That will be a positive indicator that likely will increase SP regardless of how much revenue that is.

My opinions only, DYOR.

Yak52