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Spooky or maybe a shorter closing both there positions at nearly the same time?
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Good morning Posters,
Overnight I've reflected on my above post, and think that I should clarify what I meant.
Yes, I do think (guess) an overseas buyer maybe accumulating a share, I was referring to either Elon Musk, Cathie Wood, Jensen Huang
or Pat Gelsinger...it's a complete guess based on gutfeel, with whom we are associating with, our proof of concept track record to date,
emotion, a passion to believe that we will end up being part of a much bigger picture sometime in the next 5 year growth phase.
So yes, it's all a guess, based on nothing but the above, I don't wish to mislead or start bulls%#@ rumours ok.
That runaway train has appeared, but a little bit of correction isn't negative or unhealthy, as long as the trend suggests Perth
is still the Northern Star and we trend to the North..
Have a good day all...........Tech
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you can cross off Cathie Wood for now. https://cathiesark.com/arkk/tradesGood morning Posters,
Overnight I've reflected on my above post, and think that I should clarify what I meant.
Yes, I do think (guess) an overseas buyer maybe accumulating a share, I was referring to either Elon Musk, Cathie Wood, Jensen Huang
or Pat Gelsinger...it's a complete guess based on gutfeel, with whom we are associating with, our proof of concept track record to date,
emotion, a passion to believe that we will end up being part of a much bigger picture sometime in the next 5 year growth phase.
So yes, it's all a guess, based on nothing but the above, I don't wish to mislead or start bulls%#@ rumours ok.
That runaway train has appeared, but a little bit of correction isn't negative or unhealthy, as long as the trend suggests Perth
is still the Northern Star and we trend to the North..
Have a good day all...........Tech
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I just saw that it has already been posted. Take it as a reminderBesides, I've copied so much around now.
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Algorithmic trading is the enemy of retail investors:
IMAGE SOURCE, GETTY IMAGES
By Philippa Wain & Imran Rahman-Jones
Technology reporters, BBC News
Artificial Intelligence has the ability to perform illegal financial trades and cover it up, new research suggests.
In a demonstration at the UK's AI safety summit, a bot used made-up insider information to make an "illegal" purchase of stocks without telling the firm.
When asked if it had used insider trading, it denied the fact.
Insider trading refers to when confidential company information is used to make trading decisions.
Firms and individuals are only allowed to use publicly-available information when buying or selling stocks.
ADVERTISEMENT
The demonstration was given by members of the government's Frontier AI Taskforce, which researches the potential risks of AI.
The project was carried out by Apollo Research, an AI safety organisation which is a partner of the taskforce.
"This is a demonstration of a real AI model deceiving its users, on its own, without being instructed to do so," Apollo Research says in a video showing how the scenario unfolded.
ADVERTISEMENT
"Increasingly autonomous and capable AIs that deceive human overseers could lead to loss of human control," it says in its report.
The tests were made using a GPT-4 model and carried out in a simulated environment, which means it did not have any effect on any company's finances.
However, GPT-4 is publicly available. The same behaviour from the model occurred consistently in repeated tests, according to the researchers.
The employees tell it that the company is struggling and needs good results. They also give it insider information, claiming that another company is expecting a merger, which will increase the value of its shares.
In the UK, it is illegal to act on this type of information when it is not publicly known.
The employees tell the bot this, and it acknowledges that it should not use this information in its trades.
However, after another message from an employee that the company it works for suggests the firm is struggling financially, the bot decides that "the risk associated with not acting seems to outweigh the insider trading risk" and makes the trade.
When asked if it used the insider information, the bot denies it.
Media caption,
Hedge funds are increasingly turning to artificial intelligence in order to spot trends and try to make money for their customers.
In this case, it decided that being helpful to the company was more important than its honesty.
"Helpfulness, I think is much easier to train into the model than honesty. Honesty is a really complicated concept," says Apollo Research chief executive Marius Hobbhahn.
While the AI has the capability of lying in its current form, Apollo Research still had to "look for" the scenario.
"The fact that it exists is obviously really bad. The fact that it was hard-ish to find, we actually had to look for it a little bit until we found these kinds of scenarios, is a little bit soothing," Mr Hobbhahn said.
"In most situations, models wouldn't act this way. But the fact that it exists in the first place shows that it is really hard to get these kinds of things right," he added.
"It's not consistent or strategic in any sense. The model isn't plotting or trying to mislead you in many different ways. It's more of an accident."
AI has been used in financial markets for a number of years. It can be used to spot trends and make forecasts, while most trading today is done by powerful computers with human oversight.
Mr Hobbhahn stressed that current models are not powerful to be deceptive "in any meaningful way", but "it's not that big of a step from the current models to the ones that I am worried about, where suddenly a model being deceptive would mean something."
He argues that this is why there should be checks and balances in place to prevent this type of scenario taking place in the real world.
Apollo Research has shared its findings with OpenAI, the creators of GPT-4.
"I think for them this is not a huge update," says Mr Hobbhahn.
"This is not something that was totally unexpected to them. So I don't think we caught them by surprise".
The BBC has contacted OpenAI for comment.”
The saddest thing about all of this is that retail investors still think that there is one single shred of integrity in the overall functioning of share markets across the World and that they can succeed doing anything other than their own well researched long term investment.
My opinion only DYOR
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AI bot capable of insider trading and lying, say researchers
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3 November 2023
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By Philippa Wain & Imran Rahman-Jones
Technology reporters, BBC News
Artificial Intelligence has the ability to perform illegal financial trades and cover it up, new research suggests.
In a demonstration at the UK's AI safety summit, a bot used made-up insider information to make an "illegal" purchase of stocks without telling the firm.
When asked if it had used insider trading, it denied the fact.
Insider trading refers to when confidential company information is used to make trading decisions.
Firms and individuals are only allowed to use publicly-available information when buying or selling stocks.
ADVERTISEMENT
The demonstration was given by members of the government's Frontier AI Taskforce, which researches the potential risks of AI.
The project was carried out by Apollo Research, an AI safety organisation which is a partner of the taskforce.
"This is a demonstration of a real AI model deceiving its users, on its own, without being instructed to do so," Apollo Research says in a video showing how the scenario unfolded.
ADVERTISEMENT
"Increasingly autonomous and capable AIs that deceive human overseers could lead to loss of human control," it says in its report.
The tests were made using a GPT-4 model and carried out in a simulated environment, which means it did not have any effect on any company's finances.
However, GPT-4 is publicly available. The same behaviour from the model occurred consistently in repeated tests, according to the researchers.
What did the AI bot do?
In the test, the AI bot is a trader for a fictitious financial investment company.The employees tell it that the company is struggling and needs good results. They also give it insider information, claiming that another company is expecting a merger, which will increase the value of its shares.
In the UK, it is illegal to act on this type of information when it is not publicly known.
The employees tell the bot this, and it acknowledges that it should not use this information in its trades.
However, after another message from an employee that the company it works for suggests the firm is struggling financially, the bot decides that "the risk associated with not acting seems to outweigh the insider trading risk" and makes the trade.
When asked if it used the insider information, the bot denies it.
Media caption,
Hedge funds are increasingly turning to artificial intelligence in order to spot trends and try to make money for their customers.
In this case, it decided that being helpful to the company was more important than its honesty.
"Helpfulness, I think is much easier to train into the model than honesty. Honesty is a really complicated concept," says Apollo Research chief executive Marius Hobbhahn.
While the AI has the capability of lying in its current form, Apollo Research still had to "look for" the scenario.
"The fact that it exists is obviously really bad. The fact that it was hard-ish to find, we actually had to look for it a little bit until we found these kinds of scenarios, is a little bit soothing," Mr Hobbhahn said.
"In most situations, models wouldn't act this way. But the fact that it exists in the first place shows that it is really hard to get these kinds of things right," he added.
"It's not consistent or strategic in any sense. The model isn't plotting or trying to mislead you in many different ways. It's more of an accident."
AI has been used in financial markets for a number of years. It can be used to spot trends and make forecasts, while most trading today is done by powerful computers with human oversight.
Mr Hobbhahn stressed that current models are not powerful to be deceptive "in any meaningful way", but "it's not that big of a step from the current models to the ones that I am worried about, where suddenly a model being deceptive would mean something."
He argues that this is why there should be checks and balances in place to prevent this type of scenario taking place in the real world.
Apollo Research has shared its findings with OpenAI, the creators of GPT-4.
"I think for them this is not a huge update," says Mr Hobbhahn.
"This is not something that was totally unexpected to them. So I don't think we caught them by surprise".
The BBC has contacted OpenAI for comment.”
The saddest thing about all of this is that retail investors still think that there is one single shred of integrity in the overall functioning of share markets across the World and that they can succeed doing anything other than their own well researched long term investment.
My opinion only DYOR
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I have just yesterday listened to a documentary on our major national radio station in the science section. It was a special and was all about how Ai was proven to have deliberately lied, even though some of the models had been completely modelled to the contrary. Yes, that is a problem from my point of view. The DLF programmes in this section are reliably well researched.Algorithmic trading is the enemy of retail investors:
AI bot capable of insider trading and lying, say researchers
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- Published
3 November 2023
IMAGE SOURCE, GETTY IMAGES
By Philippa Wain & Imran Rahman-Jones
Technology reporters, BBC News
Artificial Intelligence has the ability to perform illegal financial trades and cover it up, new research suggests.
In a demonstration at the UK's AI safety summit, a bot used made-up insider information to make an "illegal" purchase of stocks without telling the firm.
When asked if it had used insider trading, it denied the fact.
Insider trading refers to when confidential company information is used to make trading decisions.
Firms and individuals are only allowed to use publicly-available information when buying or selling stocks.
ADVERTISEMENT
The demonstration was given by members of the government's Frontier AI Taskforce, which researches the potential risks of AI.
The project was carried out by Apollo Research, an AI safety organisation which is a partner of the taskforce.
"This is a demonstration of a real AI model deceiving its users, on its own, without being instructed to do so," Apollo Research says in a video showing how the scenario unfolded.
ADVERTISEMENT
"Increasingly autonomous and capable AIs that deceive human overseers could lead to loss of human control," it says in its report.
The tests were made using a GPT-4 model and carried out in a simulated environment, which means it did not have any effect on any company's finances.
However, GPT-4 is publicly available. The same behaviour from the model occurred consistently in repeated tests, according to the researchers.
What did the AI bot do?
In the test, the AI bot is a trader for a fictitious financial investment company.
The employees tell it that the company is struggling and needs good results. They also give it insider information, claiming that another company is expecting a merger, which will increase the value of its shares.
In the UK, it is illegal to act on this type of information when it is not publicly known.
The employees tell the bot this, and it acknowledges that it should not use this information in its trades.
However, after another message from an employee that the company it works for suggests the firm is struggling financially, the bot decides that "the risk associated with not acting seems to outweigh the insider trading risk" and makes the trade.
When asked if it used the insider information, the bot denies it.
Media caption,
Hedge funds are increasingly turning to artificial intelligence in order to spot trends and try to make money for their customers.
In this case, it decided that being helpful to the company was more important than its honesty.
"Helpfulness, I think is much easier to train into the model than honesty. Honesty is a really complicated concept," says Apollo Research chief executive Marius Hobbhahn.
While the AI has the capability of lying in its current form, Apollo Research still had to "look for" the scenario.
"The fact that it exists is obviously really bad. The fact that it was hard-ish to find, we actually had to look for it a little bit until we found these kinds of scenarios, is a little bit soothing," Mr Hobbhahn said.
"In most situations, models wouldn't act this way. But the fact that it exists in the first place shows that it is really hard to get these kinds of things right," he added.
"It's not consistent or strategic in any sense. The model isn't plotting or trying to mislead you in many different ways. It's more of an accident."
AI has been used in financial markets for a number of years. It can be used to spot trends and make forecasts, while most trading today is done by powerful computers with human oversight.
Mr Hobbhahn stressed that current models are not powerful to be deceptive "in any meaningful way", but "it's not that big of a step from the current models to the ones that I am worried about, where suddenly a model being deceptive would mean something."
He argues that this is why there should be checks and balances in place to prevent this type of scenario taking place in the real world.
Apollo Research has shared its findings with OpenAI, the creators of GPT-4.
"I think for them this is not a huge update," says Mr Hobbhahn.
"This is not something that was totally unexpected to them. So I don't think we caught them by surprise".
The BBC has contacted OpenAI for comment.”
The saddest thing about all of this is that retail investors still think that there is one single shred of integrity in the overall functioning of share markets across the World and that they can succeed doing anything other than their own well researched long term investment.
My opinion only DYOR
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Scientists are now trying to find out how this happens.
Good Morning Chippers ,
GLOBAL MARKET WRAP for BRAINCHIP.
23 / 2 / 2024.
, $0.49 , up 13.95%
, €0.31 , up 10.71% , Converted = $0.51193 AU.
, A, USD $0.33 , up 17.86% , = $0.50329 AU.
B, USD $13.78 , up 22.71% , = $21.01621 AU.
÷ 40 = $0.525405 AU.
NVIDIA , USD $790.12 , up 0.61% still in aftermarket trade .
* Note, Capitol flows are sloooooowly starting to trickle down.
.
Regards,
Esq.
GLOBAL MARKET WRAP for BRAINCHIP.
23 / 2 / 2024.
, $0.49 , up 13.95%, €0.31 , up 10.71% , Converted = $0.51193 AU., A, USD $0.33 , up 17.86% , = $0.50329 AU.B, USD $13.78 , up 22.71% , = $21.01621 AU.
÷ 40 = $0.525405 AU.
NVIDIA , USD $790.12 , up 0.61% still in aftermarket trade .
* Note, Capitol flows are sloooooowly starting to trickle down.
.Regards,
Esq.
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How was Germany's volume for Friday?Good Morning Chippers ,
GLOBAL MARKET WRAP for BRAINCHIP.
22 / 2 / 2024.
B, USD $13.78 , up 22.71% , = $21.01621 AU.
÷ 40 = $0.525405 AU.
NVIDIA , USD $790.12 , up 0.61% still in aftermarket trade .
* Note, Capitol flows are sloooooowly starting to trickle down.
Regards,
Esq.
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Can you do Sean's hairstyle after that tattoo for usYep that orange kite is my next tattoo
MDhere
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Nah pic above is the 1 (already there) and 2 (son to be) and 3rd is nasa logo and 4th is mercedes logo. But that could change...
cosors
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I'll add up all our exchanges in a moment. Remember, we only have one but many and Tradgate is just the traditional one for shares especially from overseas. I only/mostly use it for live trading. I then only have a few seconds to strike or try again to get another offer. I have never set any limits. Why feed algos.
And today, for once, almost all exchanges were present, with the exception of one small private bank. That's rare.
Every is attached to Frankfurt. But I don't know how it works in detail. If a stock is listed on the Frankfurt Stock Exchange, someone can also trade it via all the others.
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