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Tothemoon24

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Very cool, maybe it can help clean up this forum.

No but in all seriousness, great find.
Does anyone know anything about Nilfisk? They seems rather large, probably someone you see often without realising it if you aren't in the space.
Hi Damo I don’t think it’s related to Brainchip , I take it as a strong positive to see theses emerging products : looks to be linked to Brain Corp

After a quick read of todays post , it seems there’s a few nervous Nellys about & as usual making fools of themselves.
 
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Interesting you say that Dingo..

It comes across as you have nothing of quality to counter other than an attack the messenger.. What quality of person does that?

At no point do you address either pertinent question that both significantly influence the company’s valuation..

For any sound minded individual, don’t get sucked into what the best writers and researchers and posters say about a company.. Please learn how to put aside your emotions and invest with your common sense an amount you can afford to lose or apply Sound risk management by cutting your losses quickly..

Listening to the likes of Dingoes and Factual Finding OPINIONS DYOR just play into your emotional and irrational dopamine quick fix side despite their likely best intentions..

Learn to read a chart and understand that pinning your hopes on finding one big winner at all costs is the quick way to kill your account and destroy your investing capital..

GLTAHs especially the ones that can’t see the forest from the trees..
"It comes across as you have nothing of quality to counter other than an attack the messenger.. What quality of person does that?"

Even the fact, that you consider yourself a "messenger" delivering unbiased news, is a complete joke.
 
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A quick question or two for the over zealous and Brainchip inspired.

Does it concern you at all that the Semiconductor space has been in a roaring bull market for the last 12 months and Brainchip is still languishing in the gutter?

Are you aware that ARM as the benchmark leader in the IP and Royalty space in the Semiconductor market, reportedly with a high 90s% market share in the space had 2.7billion in annual revenue last year, yet it posted a $110mill net loss for the most recent quarter?

Lastly, Sean Hehir says Brainchip is also an IP and royalty bearing company as its financial model.. Of all these wonderful new partners, none have IP deals assuming due to Gen 2 is not readily available yet outside of EAP’s. (If it is openly available, it’s another well kept secret by the company).. With IP being a 3-4 year cycle from R&D to product on market for sale, what’s your maximum pain level if another year passes without any royalty revenue from the BRN pioneers in Socionext, Ford, Valeo and Renesas? In other words, will you continue to back in the Board and Management at that stage?

If I were a shareholder I would be voting a resounding YES to the remuneration report purely because Id rather judge the current management and BOD on atleast 12 months of performance with the opportunity of Gen 2..

Thoughts welcome.
Edge AI is an industry of the near future and its getting closer. Your post is just hysteria in action. ARM is not going broke in a hurry.
Once Edge demand picks up so will BRN.
If you buy BRN you take a punt on the future. If you do not like a punt best sell and buy a blue chip - although even the blueys get flogged in markets from time to time.
 
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I was kicked off HC for life for berating Sunny. This place is all I had left. Now I have nowhere else to go. Please make it stop.

"look what they've done to my forum ma"
 
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Slade

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My theory’s FF are based on cycles..

The next disruptive tech, young people becoming prominent etc etc usually occurs after a clean out/recession/depression in the economy.. I’m talking about every 18-20 years, and a 4-5 year recovery, not the 2 we’ve just encountered..

If history were to repeat, potentially dosruotive companies with disruptive tech like BRN, will start to become house hold names and leaders in the early 2030s when the big companies are forced to innovate again and cannot rely on the status quo to maintain market share..

That for me, and history does tend to repeat, gives BRN a 3-4 term at window to get some market penetration with solid products with mainstream generational leadership potential, all the while staving off takeover attempts and competition from big players..

BRNs partners are all I will
Focus on for now. Hearing them say ‘will’ and ‘flood the market’ is the best confirmation one can get.. I think we all just have different timelines..

So definitely patience required I believe.. My biggest disappointment would be if the BOD panics and succumbs to a cheap sub $4bill takeover in the next few years as that would hurt a lot of patient long termers. On that front what is needed is more cornerstone investors like the founder PVDM, to take significant positions and assure BRN a pathway to do its thing…

That’s all I have to say. For now..
“That’s all I have to say. For now..”
Thank you, much appreciated.
 
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Atlassian sells to consumers.
BRN needs to sell licenses to OEM's. There-in lies a big difference.
Yes it would be great if we are in Scala3, and Samsung devices, etc
But let's not create a rod for our own back when the next 4C comes around.
Our current *hot* partners are all producing development solutions (edge boxes, Development Kits etc) that can be hopefully given away at no profit, to companies that want to put Akida into their products that will be sellable to the consumer, and result in revenue for us. There won't be anything discernable in the 4C.

No one here, no matter what their comment style, will really vote to oust the BoD, if they are holding.
Better to look to those large holdings who might want to put a couple of their own on the board. What better way to do this than force a spill in May?
HI Iseki
The first point you make was clearly not understood by many as I was reading generally across all of the different media sites I check from time to time. It is however a critical point to understand as you have pointed out 'BRN ,,, sell licenses to OEM's'.

I have been hoping that someone would put this together other than myself because there are some who make a living out of attacking everything I put up and trying to drown it.

However if one takes this point and keeps it in mind when listening to the last Microchip podcast you will hear possibly the most significant comment so far in this podcast series in my opinion.

I am not quoting exactly but suggesting that you go and listen again to the part where Microchip is talking about the combining of AKIDA technology with Microchip's 8 bit MCU and their customers.

This is the OEM model in operation.

Brainchip partners with an OEM and an application is developed and this OEM not Brainchip then goes to its established customer base and says we have something that you may be interested in because in our opinion it will greatly enhance what you are doing with us.

If you are an existing customer of Microchip there is no doubt Microchip will know what you need and be bringing something that has application to your situation and you will definitely listen because you trust in the existing relationship.

Does it mean definite sales of course not. The odds though of a sale are clearly much higher in this situation than if Brainchip by itself knocked on the Microchip customer's door in a lone bid to convince the customer to add AKIDA technology.

If you then add in that other partners like OnSemi for intelligent airbag sensors and Infineon given what they said on their respective podcasts may be doing or about to be doing exactly the same thing with AKIDA technology and their products with their existing customer bases the benefits to be gained from the multiplier effect of an OEM sales model becomes apparent.

As we know there are tens of other published confirmed partnerships that fit into the same category and the CFO of Edge Impulse certainly sees no reason to doubt that AKIDA technology could be headed for widespread adoption.

My opinion only DYOR
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I assume the company strategy changed now. They are no more signing IPs but rather developing partnerships. That way they are developing a big ecosystem and the impact will be felt when all partners started coming out with products.
Dyor
The reason I think about there is a change in strategy is
1. If we sell only the IP from where will we get software support for the same. We sell our 1st Ip more than 3 years ago and still a no commercial product.
2. Developing ecosystem is need of hour. If we ask each partner to invest in Ip that will mean each partner has to commit before joining. But with partnership brainchip can retain better margins. And on top it would had become very difficult to develop an ecosystem
3. Suppose we sign 50 ips by now that will mean an income of 50-100 millions but it was next to impossible without a proper partner support.
4. Now we have more than 50 partners (known) that means we are becoming product ready. Yes we may had lost that 50-100 million dollar income but it is a wise investment for future success of company.
So I believe we are more happy to sell our IP through our partners than to sell it directly.
Dyor
 
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An oldie but a goodie: This has been posted previously but it’s good to get a reminder that Brainchip is in the right place at the right time.

I have cherry-picked some quotes from an interview with a company that understands that the future is at the Edge – devices that are not connected to the cloud. I hope they are using AKIDA -DYOR

Emphasis mine

We sell over 500 million devices each year," said Kim. "We're committed to making every one of those devices intelligent in some way."

“The future of AI is on the edge”


Artificial Intelligence (AI) is coming to every device near you”

“The "edge" in this case refers to all the devices and processors that we interact with every day of our lives”

“Data processing at the edge will mean not having to connect to a cloud server, which in turn will enable data processing and analysis to happen in real time.”

“Self-driving cars, for example, can't afford to wait on remote servers for instructions that need split-second timing to avoid accidents.”

“That could change in the near future as powerful new AI technologies are designed to operate within all the phones, laptops, and appliances around us -- all without having to connect to processors in the cloud.”

AI is going to be embedded in everything that we do, everything that we touch, and everything that we use,"

"Outside of AI, a lot of what needs to be done is in edge computing investments,"

"We still care about AI at the center. We care about AI in the cloud. But we're much more interested in AI at the edge. At the edge, you have much less compute power and much less data. But because of use cases like autonomous driving, you still need to have good decision-making at the edge. So what can you do with less data and less compute power at the edge?"

“We sort of fell into general processing units, known as GPUs, because that was what we had, Kim said. "That's helped us tremendously in AI, but it wasn't purpose-built for AI."

“New chip architectures
, Kim said, will help accelerate AI's expansion beyond the cloud with more effective, yet more efficient processors that are better suited to life on the edge in that they can do more with less compute power and memory than their general-purpose counterparts.”

“Such orchestration would allow, for example, a TV to draw on the computing power of a phone in the same room to run a game. That's the vision Kim articulated for the future of edge computing, which he said Samsung is actively perusing.”

"We particularly like it because it plays to our strength. We don't have this big cloud infrastructure, but we have more devices at the edge than just about anybody."

 
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A quick question or two for the over zealous and Brainchip inspired.

Does it concern you at all that the Semiconductor space has been in a roaring bull market for the last 12 months and Brainchip is still languishing in the gutter?

Are you aware that ARM as the benchmark leader in the IP and Royalty space in the Semiconductor market, reportedly with a high 90s% market share in the space had 2.7billion in annual revenue last year, yet it posted a $110mill net loss for the most recent quarter?

Lastly, Sean Hehir says Brainchip is also an IP and royalty bearing company as its financial model.. Of all these wonderful new partners, none have IP deals assuming due to Gen 2 is not readily available yet outside of EAP’s. (If it is openly available, it’s another well kept secret by the company).. With IP being a 3-4 year cycle from R&D to product on market for sale, what’s your maximum pain level if another year passes without any royalty revenue from the BRN pioneers in Socionext, Ford, Valeo and Renesas? In other words, will you continue to back in the Board and Management at that stage?

If I were a shareholder I would be voting a resounding YES to the remuneration report purely because Id rather judge the current management and BOD on atleast 12 months of performance with the opportunity of Gen 2..

Thoughts welcome.
I am here for Akida 5.0 and CES 2038.
Hopefully we are back to 20 cents by then.
Looking forward to all the podcasts and upramping along the way.
Fingers crossed I am still alive by then.
Not advice obviously.
 
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I still assume there is a lot is going on behind closed doors, firing the CEO because it's taken too long for us shareholds to see profits can have a negative effect and will not paint a good picture for Brainchip....if they are seen to unable to get their sh*t together.

Been transparent to your share holders as to what the company is doing, why delays and what the company is doing about it, or even how busy the team is...a road map / updated investor presentation is deffently needed right about now,

For all we know Sean may be signing left right and centre NDA and inking contract deals as we agrue which is better than we can hope or dream, or alternatively we have been hoodwinked..time will tell

Maybe juding on effort might have been the better option :cool:
I suspect there might be a reluctance to provide an investor update currently, possibly due to a shift in the business model, which could be a sensible decision.

The following is my interpretation based on recent partnership details and CES content. I'm not a tech industry expert, but this is my attempt to read between the lines. If you prefer to avoid speculation, you may want to skip the rest.

Plan A was to sell IP licenses, allowing the license owner to independently develop products. However, this plan did not unfold as expected, not going down that rabbit hole.

Plan B has emerged as a necessary pivot, directing us towards product development and application-specific solutions in collaboration with multiple partners.

This strategy offers a risk-free scenario for the companies we collaborate with as "partners." They gain access to the IP and receive support either at no cost or through hourly consulting fees. This allows them to develop and market a product to an end-user customer or OEM with the potential for success. If the product doesn't sell, they face no financial loss, avoiding the risk of investing millions in a license for IP they might struggle to deploy, while we invest possible years in development without a return. This arrangement is not favorable for us.

However, these corporations, i.e Microchip and Onsemi, boast multi-billion-dollar revenues and extensive resources. The reality is that we have encountered challenges in independently penetrating the market. The most efficient path to bringing our products to market now and mainstreaming SNNs, paving the way to return to plan A, involves riding the coattails of these major players as they compete in the currently hyped edge AI space. The commercial details surrounding the IP in all these partnerships are still unclear.

Even though it represents a tangible step forward with actual signs of progress, this doesn't result in an inspiring update or an outcome from their own efforts that management is likely to emphasise.

Again, this is my current interpretation and could be entirely off the mark.
 
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In the podcasts with Microchip, these guys sound like they are ready to go. With that being said, given that they won't be going through megachips or renesas, does that mean they will need to sign an IP deal with us before they sell any products with our IP?

If yes, this could be a much needed near term announcement that we have all been waiting for!!
 
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View attachment 54677

Nvidia partners with Luminar.

MB dumps Valeo for Luminar.

MB partners with Nvidia

Is there a cart/horse thing going on here?

Luminar has foveated lidar which focusses the laser dots on a point of interest (POI), and this gives it longer range for detecting/classifying POIs.

Luminar use software NNs in processing lidar data:

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US2022309685A1 NEURAL NETWORK FOR OBJECT DETECTION AND TRACKING


[0014] FIG. 3 is a block diagram of an example software architecture for an autonomous vehicle in which the techniques of this disclosure can be implemented;

[0081] The classification module 112 is generally configured to determine classes (labels, categories, etc.) for different objects that have been identified by the segmentation module 110 .

Now I wouldn't presume to tell Luminar their business, but ...
 
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HI Iseki
The first point you make was clearly not understood by many as I was reading generally across all of the different media sites I check from time to time. It is however a critical point to understand as you have pointed out 'BRN ,,, sell licenses to OEM's'.

I have been hoping that someone would put this together other than myself because there are some who make a living out of attacking everything I put up and trying to drown it.

However if one takes this point and keeps it in mind when listening to the last Microchip podcast you will hear possibly the most significant comment so far in this podcast series in my opinion.

I am not quoting exactly but suggesting that you go and listen again to the part where Microchip is talking about the combining of AKIDA technology with Microchip's 8 bit MCU and their customers.

This is the OEM model in operation.

Brainchip partners with an OEM and an application is developed and this OEM not Brainchip then goes to its established customer base and says we have something that you may be interested in because in our opinion it will greatly enhance what you are doing with us.

If you are an existing customer of Microchip there is no doubt Microchip will know what you need and be bringing something that has application to your situation and you will definitely listen because you trust in the existing relationship.

Does it mean definite sales of course not. The odds though of a sale are clearly much higher in this situation than if Brainchip by itself knocked on the Microchip customer's door in a lone bid to convince the customer to add AKIDA technology.

If you then add in that other partners like OnSemi for intelligent airbag sensors and Infineon given what they said on their respective podcasts may be doing or about to be doing exactly the same thing with AKIDA technology and their products with their existing customer bases the benefits to be gained from the multiplier effect of an OEM sales model becomes apparent.

As we know there are tens of other published confirmed partnerships that fit into the same category and the CFO of Edge Impulse certainly sees no reason to doubt that AKIDA technology could be headed for widespread adoption.

My opinion only DYOR
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I do think this will be a very productive partnership.

You will get Akida 1500 plus your choice of Microchip's version of an arm cortex-m7 or an arm cortex-a7 and software to help you program it.
(m7 could be better for us that the arm m-85 which comes with its own ai add on Ethos.

You can then ask any of the fab companies to put it all together in a chip of your own, using the models and software you have developed on the Microchip evaluation kit.
 
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The HC forum is like a car accident on the highway... you don't want to look, but you still sneak a glance... and T&J is like the vehicle with the total wreck where you think, "Oh crap, that's bad." Unbelievable, the guy 😂 sorry, had to get that out.
 
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wilzy123

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I am here for Akida 5.0 and CES 2038.
Hopefully we are back to 20 cents by then.
Looking forward to all the podcasts and upramping along the way.
Fingers crossed I am still alive by then.
Not advice obviously.

WHAT A 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

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Good Morning,

I have to say that I agree with the posts some have made in regards to Nandan's podcast series.

He has briefly interviewed a number of market players whom all send the same type of message, that is, AI is everywhere, education
has been taking a positive form, the net has been cast wide and far to the point that the questions being put forward by inquiring parties
is endless, the scope of which is being driven by the human imagination, AI has possibly changed the human prospective to the point
where nothing is impossible anymore.

It's clear to me at least that the journey we have all been on has turned a major corner, we have all become more educated to the point
where companies are now being approached to actually design and produce a product/s, meaning things have definitely moved onto the
next phase in the business cycle, not just for us, but for all companies in this space, that has to be seen as a huge positive.

"We don't make the sensors, we make them smart"

How many years ago did Brainchip achieve all 5 modalities in silicon...oh yes, AKD 1000.

Sensors were a huge part of CES this year, we are and have always been positioned at the right place in time to succeed.

And finally, for the ones who like to moan and keep focusing on how much money they have lost on paper (but strangely enough still
hold our stock) there has been no one more patient up to this point than Peter, who has been waiting a lifetime to see his dream become
reality, but money isn't his driving passion now is it, and there within lies the problem for many.

Have a positive day ahead, be assured that we are on the right track to succeed.......just my views....Tech :coffee:;)
Hi @TECH, I agree with your sense of BRN having turned the corner, but my view is that: we won't know that for sure until we see consistent and growing monies in the 4Cs. The eco system is becoming more compelling and is growing very fast lately, and with some very exciting names, so that all continues to build an underlying belief. So I'm thinking that the next (nearly due) 4C probably won't see much revenue and we know that there are no new contracts, however my hope is that we begin to see something in the March Qtrly

I have strong respect for your belief and steadfastness, and on the whole am very appreciative of what you bring here.

Excitement is something that I feel, and I like to be excited, however at times excitement can simply be the front runner for a let down, so I watch my excitement levels particularly with regard to investments, and I certainly watch very carefully the "thing" of getting attached to outcomes, not saying I've got that lifetime challenge down, but I'm playing at being mindful there.

While the education grows here, none of us long termers knew when we initially began building positions that the company would be shifting to an IP sales model, and the extended timeframes that this move would entail, even now many newer investors still do not understand the process and how it is impacting income for BRN. So income has become a slow burn, this has not been helped by the macro economic environment we now find enveloping the world, and war never helps anything, management have played that card and it's obvious it hasn't helped.

I have mentioned this before, and I will say it again, I am not so sanguine or bullish as some here about global economic prospects going forward, that doesn't mean I am all that negative, but a big fascination of mine (and has long been) is with regard to political, historic and socio/economic research, and there is "stuff" going on out there that concerns me, and I am certainly mindful of it - I read widely and a lot. Primarily I want success and I hope and pray (again) for good things and bountiful returns for those here who are invested.

So this concern is not so much with the disruptive tech which BRN is working on taking to the world, but rather that things here on earth don't get too wacky (messed up) before BRN/Akidas can get widespread traction out there in the world of business/commerce, that is another timeframe I look at.

I'm confident in what BRN are doing and I am well enough researched to know that the tech is outstanding. The company have certainly made mistakes, and some of that has been /is very annoying to me, but I think they are building the basis for success into the future (but as I said there are real concerns there IMO). On the management front if I were at the AGM I would have questions about their failure to use the ASX platform to announce a plethora of worthwhile information to Australian investors. I am well aware others will have different questions

There have been mistakes, there has also clearly been very good progress, I don't expect perfect, but as Sean said he should be judged on results, and I would also take that as: he would therefore be responsible for what has or hasn't happened.

With regard to Peter I remain a big fan (although it is IMO unfortunate that he made the "explosive growth" remark, but I think at the time certain external economic factors had not taken hold) Peter has invented something that could change the world, which would make him a person of some genius, he has for a long time come across as a humble man of high integrity. But I wouldn't know if money was a driving passion for him, and to be quite honest I hope that it is. So I don't agree with your sentiment @TECH, with regard to "and there within lies the problem for many". I am here to make money and am totally comfortable with that sentiment.

I don't love BRN, but I have not sold a single share (and am thinking of buying more, it's a few years, but maybe I will) and at present I remain in the green, however I do have empathy for holders here who are taking a beating (i really think that the Mercedes reveal was unfortunate, and created unrealistic expectations and set many retail investors up for bad manipulation by malevolent actors). Having said that I don't like some who come here wanting to be serial whingers who apparently take pleasure in slagging off other people here who continue to do excellent research and remain strong in their investment sentiment. That kind of behaviour is what losers get into. If you have something to say, yes say it, but needing to say it several times a day, every day, means you have most likely got.....well good luck with it.

At the end of the day we all pushed the buy button, and as far as I am concerned, that is where the ultimate responsibility lies - observe what is moving inside and if you need, or want to, take action. And as you might say Tech have a good evening.
 
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Proga

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Just a few comments:

1. A second strike, a spill and election of Directors does not touch the position of CEO. His/Her position is unaffected.

2. It has been stated more than once and in some detail by the Chair at the last AGM that as Brainchip cannot afford to match market salaries dollar for dollar to attract the right people they provide shares as part of the salary package.

3. Work is such a ‘sh-t’ you have to pay people to do it.

4. I cannot name anyone from my life experience who refused to take their pay on pay day.

My opinion only DYOR
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2. It has been stated more than once and in some detail by the Chair at the last AGM that as Brainchip cannot afford to match market salaries dollar for dollar to attract the right people they provide shares as part of the salary package.

Spot on mate. And why they have to sell a portion of them to meet their tax obligations
 
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The HC forum is like a car accident on the highway... you don't want to look, but you still sneak a glance... and T&J is like the vehicle with the total wreck where you think, "Oh crap, that's bad." Unbelievable, the guy 😂 sorry, had to get that out.
It's just not BRN. Every lithium and graphite stock is being over run with trolls. Look at the SP price not the fundamentals lol

This might end HC. It's going to be left with trolls fighting each other. Investors are leaving in droves. They're sick of wasting time filtering through the crap
 
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