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I'm afraid to jump up & down over today's announcement about partnering with Unigen until I get clarification.

The wording mentions "Unigen will provide end-to-end solutions for the Cupcake Edge AI Server, from engineering to mass production."
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"Unigen, founded in 1991, is an established global leader in the design and manufacture of stuff"
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Unigen markets its products to both enterprise and client OEMs worldwide focused on embedded, industrial, networking, server, telecommunications, imaging, automotive, and medical device industries. Unigen also offers best-in-class electronics manufacturing services (EMS), including new product introduction and volume production.

I've yet to work out what this "Cupcake" platform thing is, but the optimist in me translates the announcement to be Brainchip and Unigen are getting together to make and sell a versatile device called the Cupcake Edge AI Server. Being a versatile platform device, it can presumably be sold to others who will stick sensors on it and make all sorts of devices. If that's so, it gets things rolling big-time. So why hasn't the SP gone through the roof today??? Let me down gently if I'm wrong.
Share price would have gone through the roof two years ago. At this point the only things that’ll impact the share price significantly is revenue and new stellar ip licenses. With revenue being the preferred one obviously.
Nevertheless great partnership.
 
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Getupthere

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What are you expecting for the Jan- March quarterly?
And if revenue is down for that quarterly, will you sell?
As @Mccabe84 said you don't have to keep them.
I don’t understand what is wrong with you guys.

Revenue won’t happen for 2 to 3 years after a new IP deal has been signed.

Im not talking about revenue I’m talking about IP deals. .

EAP customers expressed their need for supplementary features in Akida 2.0 over a year ago.

That was requested 12 to 18 months ago.

The honeymoon period has finished and management have had more than enough time to convert lookers into buyers!

Don’t worry about me selling buddy.

The boys club will be broken up before I sell.
 
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Perhaps BRN don’t see it as being an earth shattering announcement at this stage and so viewed the ASX platform as unwarranted. I think there was something written somewhere about the Cupcake server needing time to gain market traction and it sounds like we are going to be in their next version anyway - so this is probably a much slower burn than say the Edge Box is.
As I recall it, BRN have not put anything on the ASX platform other than mandatory notices such as Director Interests Notices, 4C's, Application for quotation of securities, and other such, for a good number of years now.

So all of the Technology Partners - ARM, Intel, Prophesee, SiFive etc,

the Enablement Partners - AI Labs, Edge Impulse, NViso, Emotion3D, CVEDIA, GMAC Intelligence,

the Integration Partners - Teksun, Lorser, Quantum Ventura, Tata..........

NONE of these have been announced on the ASX (again as I recall it - please correct me if I am wrong) there are a large number of other companies which BRN are working with that I didn't mention above and most of these were not announced on the ASX either.

This is my biggest annoyance with the company (although now after, over more than 8 years, my forebearance with regard to some things BRN related have to be looked at in a more critical light), a number of years ago BRN made a mess of not announcing Ford as a partner (because of NDA responsibilities) and received a "notice" from the ASX demanding clarification regarding their mistake in putting the announcement together according to ASX rules.

Since then BRN have had their heads up their arses' with regard to using the ASX announcement platform, BRN made a mistake with the Ford ann., all BRN has to do is follow straightforward ASX rules to use the ASX platform (which virtually every other listed company does) to keep the Australian investment community informed on any progress they are making, why BRN continue to have their heads buried where they should not be is beyond belief.

It militates against the best interests of the company, and therefore it is not working in the best interests of share holders, my position is that BRN management are in denial on this subject, and they need to get over it, it is not as if they are hitting a lot of home runs lately. Regardless of whether Sean Hehir is talking up "a lot of excitement", the SP is literally in the gutter, and IMO some good advertising (which is free on the biggest platform in Australia) should be used to our advantage, if they have an NDA then we know they cannot talk about it, but all the companies in the "eco-system" are on the BRN website - so why are NONE of them on the ASX .........go fucking figure. Obviously I am not happy about this subject, or BRNs' evasive tactics when SHers try to broach the matter with them (2023 AGM for instance)

To add insult to injury, they continue to make basic errors with so many of their announcements, where they don't seem to understand what a calendar is, and how dates need to be included for the purposes of proper account keeping and administration, and ASX rules, which most other public companies seem to be able to understand. This is, as I said basic stuff, and Kim Clark (company Secretary) needs to get a rocket from someone at headquarters because the mistakes keep coming.
 
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As I recall it, BRN have not put anything on the ASX platform other than mandatory notices such as Director Interests Notices, 4C's, Application for quotation of securities, and other such, for a good number of years now.

So all of the Technology Partners - ARM, Intel, Prophesee, SiFive etc,

the Enablement Partners - AI Labs, Edge Impulse, NViso, Emotion3D, CVEDIA, GMAC Intelligence,

the Integration Partners - Teksun, Lorser, Quantum Ventura, Tata..........

NONE of these have been announced on the ASX (again as I recall it - please correct me if I am wrong) there are a large number of other companies which BRN are working with that I didn't mention above and most of these were not announced on the ASX either.

This is my biggest annoyance with the company (although now after, over more than 8 years, my forebearance with regard to some things BRN related have to be looked at in a more critical light), a number of years ago BRN made a mess of not announcing Ford as a partner (because of NDA responsibilities) and received a "notice" from the ASX demanding clarification regarding their mistake in putting the announcement together according to ASX rules.

Since then BRN have had their heads up their arses' with regard to using the ASX announcement platform, BRN made a mistake with the Ford ann., all BRN has to do is follow straightforward ASX rules to use the ASX platform (which virtually every other listed company does) to keep the Australian investment community informed on any progress they are making, why BRN continue to have their heads buried where they should not be is beyond belief.

It militates against the best interests of the company, and therefore it is not working in the best interests of share holders, my position is that BRN management are in denial on this subject, and they need to get over it, it is not as if they are hitting a lot of home runs lately. Regardless of whether Sean Hehir is talking up "a lot of excitement", the SP is literally in the gutter, and IMO some good advertising (which is free on the biggest platform in Australia) should be used to our advantage, if they have an NDA then we know they cannot talk about it, but all the companies in the "eco-system" are on the BRN website - so why are NONE of them on the ASX .........go fucking figure. Obviously I am not happy about this subject, or BRNs' evasive tactics when SHers try to broach the matter with them (2023 AGM for instance)

To add insult to injury, they continue to make basic errors with so many of their announcements, where they don't seem to understand what a calendar is, and how dates need to be included for the purposes of proper account keeping and administration, and ASX rules, which most other public companies seem to be able to understand. This is, as I said basic stuff, and Kim Clark (company Secretary) needs to get a rocket from someone at headquarters because the mistakes keep coming.
What a joke BrainChip has become.
But wait Wilzy123 will will show us the light, with his FAMOUS BURNING BIN BOY. 🔥
 
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As I recall it, BRN have not put anything on the ASX platform other than mandatory notices such as Director Interests Notices, 4C's, Application for quotation of securities, and other such, for a good number of years now.

So all of the Technology Partners - ARM, Intel, Prophesee, SiFive etc,

the Enablement Partners - AI Labs, Edge Impulse, NViso, Emotion3D, CVEDIA, GMAC Intelligence,

the Integration Partners - Teksun, Lorser, Quantum Ventura, Tata..........

NONE of these have been announced on the ASX (again as I recall it - please correct me if I am wrong) there are a large number of other companies which BRN are working with that I didn't mention above and most of these were not announced on the ASX either.

This is my biggest annoyance with the company (although now after, over more than 8 years, my forebearance with regard to some things BRN related have to be looked at in a more critical light), a number of years ago BRN made a mess of not announcing Ford as a partner (because of NDA responsibilities) and received a "notice" from the ASX demanding clarification regarding their mistake in putting the announcement together according to ASX rules.

Since then BRN have had their heads up their arses' with regard to using the ASX announcement platform, BRN made a mistake with the Ford ann., all BRN has to do is follow straightforward ASX rules to use the ASX platform (which virtually every other listed company does) to keep the Australian investment community informed on any progress they are making, why BRN continue to have their heads buried where they should not be is beyond belief.

It militates against the best interests of the company, and therefore it is not working in the best interests of share holders, my position is that BRN management are in denial on this subject, and they need to get over it, it is not as if they are hitting a lot of home runs lately. Regardless of whether Sean Hehir is talking up "a lot of excitement", the SP is literally in the gutter, and IMO some good advertising (which is free on the biggest platform in Australia) should be used to our advantage, if they have an NDA then we know they cannot talk about it, but all the companies in the "eco-system" are on the BRN website - so why are NONE of them on the ASX .........go fucking figure. Obviously I am not happy about this subject, or BRNs' evasive tactics when SHers try to broach the matter with them (2023 AGM for instance)

To add insult to injury, they continue to make basic errors with so many of their announcements, where they don't seem to understand what a calendar is, and how dates need to be included for the purposes of proper account keeping and administration, and ASX rules, which most other public companies seem to be able to understand. This is, as I said basic stuff, and Kim Clark (company Secretary) needs to get a rocket from someone at headquarters because the mistakes keep coming.
Sean Hehir doesn't give a fuck about LOYAL SHAREHOLDERS.
 
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As I recall it, BRN have not put anything on the ASX platform other than mandatory notices such as Director Interests Notices, 4C's, Application for quotation of securities, and other such, for a good number of years now.

So all of the Technology Partners - ARM, Intel, Prophesee, SiFive etc,

the Enablement Partners - AI Labs, Edge Impulse, NViso, Emotion3D, CVEDIA, GMAC Intelligence,

the Integration Partners - Teksun, Lorser, Quantum Ventura, Tata..........

NONE of these have been announced on the ASX (again as I recall it - please correct me if I am wrong) there are a large number of other companies which BRN are working with that I didn't mention above and most of these were not announced on the ASX either.

This is my biggest annoyance with the company (although now after, over more than 8 years, my forebearance with regard to some things BRN related have to be looked at in a more critical light), a number of years ago BRN made a mess of not announcing Ford as a partner (because of NDA responsibilities) and received a "notice" from the ASX demanding clarification regarding their mistake in putting the announcement together according to ASX rules.

Since then BRN have had their heads up their arses' with regard to using the ASX announcement platform, BRN made a mistake with the Ford ann., all BRN has to do is follow straightforward ASX rules to use the ASX platform (which virtually every other listed company does) to keep the Australian investment community informed on any progress they are making, why BRN continue to have their heads buried where they should not be is beyond belief.

It militates against the best interests of the company, and therefore it is not working in the best interests of share holders, my position is that BRN management are in denial on this subject, and they need to get over it, it is not as if they are hitting a lot of home runs lately. Regardless of whether Sean Hehir is talking up "a lot of excitement", the SP is literally in the gutter, and IMO some good advertising (which is free on the biggest platform in Australia) should be used to our advantage, if they have an NDA then we know they cannot talk about it, but all the companies in the "eco-system" are on the BRN website - so why are NONE of them on the ASX .........go fucking figure. Obviously I am not happy about this subject, or BRNs' evasive tactics when SHers try to broach the matter with them (2023 AGM for instance)

To add insult to injury, they continue to make basic errors with so many of their announcements, where they don't seem to understand what a calendar is, and how dates need to be included for the purposes of proper account keeping and administration, and ASX rules, which most other public companies seem to be able to understand. This is, as I said basic stuff, and Kim Clark (company Secretary) needs to get a rocket from someone at headquarters because the mistakes keep coming.
Mate seriously the podcasts have mentioned enough companies, they have to be engaged with us, surely and many more, but it's Top Secret remember not a word but they'll say stuff in podcasts, my opinion the nxt run most CATS will be out
 
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Just found this report on PDF.

Unfortunately, no mention of Akida, neuromorphic etc on a search....more of a general overview on first pass.

Haven't had time to read propely as on phone.

FWIW.

HERE



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Michael Hafner, Vice President MB.OS Base Layer and MBUX at Mercedes-Benz
 
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Proga

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I don’t understand what is wrong with you guys.

Revenue won’t happen for 2 to 3 years after a new IP deal has been signed.

Im not talking about revenue I’m talking about IP deals. .

EAP customers expressed their need for supplementary features in Akida 2.0 over a year ago.

That was requested 12 to 18 months ago.

The honeymoon period has finished and management have had more than enough time to convert lookers into buyers!

Don’t worry about me selling buddy.

The boys club will be broken up before I sell.
My understanding was IP deals don't have to be signed until they go into commercial production using Akida.

I'm not sure what you mean by - Im not talking about revenue I’m talking about IP deals - I thought the common revenue model BRN are using was $1m up front for the IP deal and then royalties for every product containing Akida IP sold.
 
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The only announcements they seem to get right is when they issue themselves free share they fn don’t deserve.
 
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That old story, the lack of ASX announcements. One thing is really hard to understand. It's common sense on ASX, all ASX listed companies do it. We search for such information in podcasts and conference vids, while shareholders of other companies just read an announcement.
The magic word is: INVESTOR PRESENTATION
Substantial part of announcements, can move SP or bring new investors to the company. Why there is just nothing? The presentations exist on Youtube, it is no rocket science to put this in pdf form and do it official as announcement.
There have to be actions in the interest of the shareholders, that's the nature of a listed company.
"The SP does what the SP does" as statement is just a joke in comparison to the non-existing announcement politics.
Maybe a professional for all things ASX is needed in the management to make things better.
The fact some people don't realise, further funding rounds with such a low MC and an extended cashburn rate will be a pain for existing shareholders, tons of new shares will flow the market.
Worst case could be an RS while the SP is down, a guarantee for losing more money.
 
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Put an order through for another little parcel of shares... I am super excited. Another great partnership 👏 👌...and CES 2024 around the corner. Instos loading up, shorters closing down.
Revenue coming!... gotta be 😊 with all that surely. Dont stress on the little things.
He who dares wins.
Good luck everyone. Have a merry xmas and a happy and safe new year. Looking forward to some 🚀🚀🚀 gifs very soon.
 
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My understanding was IP deals don't have to be signed until they go into commercial production using Akida.

I'm not sure what you mean by - Im not talking about revenue I’m talking about IP deals - I thought the common revenue model BRN are using was $1m up front for the IP deal and then royalties for every product containing Akida IP sold.
You need IP signing for future royalties.

Without IP signings you have nothing.

It’s quite simple…..You won’t have to worry revenue if you don’t have signed companies in the first place.

I’m sorry it’s not hard to understand.
 
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Put an order through for another little parcel of shares... I am super excited. Another great partnership 👏 👌...and CES 2024 around the corner. Instos loading up, shorters closing down.
Revenue coming!... gotta be 😊 with all that surely. Dont stress on the little things.
He who dares wins.
Good luck everyone. Have a merry xmas and a happy and safe new year. Looking forward to some 🚀🚀🚀 gifs very soon.
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As I recall it, BRN have not put anything on the ASX platform other than mandatory notices such as Director Interests Notices, 4C's, Application for quotation of securities, and other such, for a good number of years now.

So all of the Technology Partners - ARM, Intel, Prophesee, SiFive etc,

the Enablement Partners - AI Labs, Edge Impulse, NViso, Emotion3D, CVEDIA, GMAC Intelligence,

the Integration Partners - Teksun, Lorser, Quantum Ventura, Tata..........

NONE of these have been announced on the ASX (again as I recall it - please correct me if I am wrong) there are a large number of other companies which BRN are working with that I didn't mention above and most of these were not announced on the ASX either.

This is my biggest annoyance with the company (although now after, over more than 8 years, my forebearance with regard to some things BRN related have to be looked at in a more critical light), a number of years ago BRN made a mess of not announcing Ford as a partner (because of NDA responsibilities) and received a "notice" from the ASX demanding clarification regarding their mistake in putting the announcement together according to ASX rules.

Since then BRN have had their heads up their arses' with regard to using the ASX announcement platform, BRN made a mistake with the Ford ann., all BRN has to do is follow straightforward ASX rules to use the ASX platform (which virtually every other listed company does) to keep the Australian investment community informed on any progress they are making, why BRN continue to have their heads buried where they should not be is beyond belief.

It militates against the best interests of the company, and therefore it is not working in the best interests of share holders, my position is that BRN management are in denial on this subject, and they need to get over it, it is not as if they are hitting a lot of home runs lately. Regardless of whether Sean Hehir is talking up "a lot of excitement", the SP is literally in the gutter, and IMO some good advertising (which is free on the biggest platform in Australia) should be used to our advantage, if they have an NDA then we know they cannot talk about it, but all the companies in the "eco-system" are on the BRN website - so why are NONE of them on the ASX .........go fucking figure. Obviously I am not happy about this subject, or BRNs' evasive tactics when SHers try to broach the matter with them (2023 AGM for instance)

To add insult to injury, they continue to make basic errors with so many of their announcements, where they don't seem to understand what a calendar is, and how dates need to be included for the purposes of proper account keeping and administration, and ASX rules, which most other public companies seem to be able to understand. This is, as I said basic stuff, and Kim Clark (company Secretary) needs to get a rocket from someone at headquarters because the mistakes keep coming.
Just as with the dotcom boom, the ASX does not understand leading edge technology. They got their fingers burnt then and now they are p!ssing their diapers that AI will bite them on the arse (apologies: Spellcheck doesn't know about arses ).

We embarrassed Ford, Mercedes blew our cover , and we've had our hockey sticks confiscated and earned yellow cards for both, and there's puck-all we can do about it.

What's the point of blowing our trumpet until we have product in the market in a meaningful way?

There isn't enuf cash in the ASX to recognize the true value of Akida, and yes, the present share price is woeful, but the long game is the Nasdaq, and they will check our report card.

We can't get Nasdaq until we have steady income. We know the position the company has adopted, so, until we have a few big names signed up, for me, this is just a paper loss and I'm biting my tongue.

I do emphasize with anyone who is forced to sell at current prices. That is wicked bad luck, but the bitter lesson I have learned is that any rise without income will be followed by an inevitably larger fall.

I don't see the failure to temporarily pump the SP as a reason to doubt my investment thesis.
 
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Why Fear The Artificial Intelligence Revolution?​


Peter van der Made
Forbes Councils Member
Forbes Technology CouncilCOUNCIL Post


Peter van der Made is the founder and CTO of BrainChip Ltd. BrainChip produces advanced AI processors in digital neuromorphic technologies.





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There has been much talk, even at top-level conferences, about the perceived dangers of artificial intelligence. In this article, I want to clarify and confront some of those fears from a purely technical point of view. Please bear with me, as this discussion is a little technical.


First, let's examine what a computer is and how it differs from the brain.


A digital computer is using a processor that runs programs that are stored in memory. These programs have to be meticulously constructed using human intelligence and can do clever things. Ever since the dawn of the computer, they have been better than humans at storing massive amounts of data and performing fast calculations.





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The human brain is very different in construction. There is no central processor, and there is no separate memory unit. The brain consists of a 3-D maze of billions of cells, called neurons, that have thousands of connections to other cells. It is those connections that store information in an analog electrochemical way throughout the brain. Eighty-six billion neural cells constantly process this information.

The brain has many modules that perform different functions and are integrated into a functioning entity. This is a highly simplified concept of the brain. Trillions of signals are transmitted and processed at the same time. The information contained in the connections between cells is constantly updated as we perceive the world through our senses and as we learn. This vast number of connections, signals and cells makes the brain difficult to understand, although a lot of progress has been made over the last 10 years. The brain is very efficient, consuming the equivalent of 20 watts of energy.


Computer programmers have been trying to emulate the processes of the brain by developing a software algorithm called a neural network. These programs create abstract emulations of the cells and connections of the brain but at significantly lower complexity and scale. The storage of the brain is distributed throughout, but computers have a central memory. This is one of the major bottlenecks; Each of the many thousands of virtual connections must be accessed at every cycle, thus causing memory access contention.

Next, the stored data needs to be processed together with input sensory information that is received from a camera or by other means, such as text. The next bottleneck is computing power and power consumption. Computing this many values takes a lot of power, thousands to millions of times more than the brain consumes.

Neural network programs do not learn how the brain learns by constantly updating itself. Instead, they must be trained using another algorithm called backpropagation. In this algorithm, the values stored in the virtual connections between simulated neurons are first estimated and then refined again and again until the output error is minimized. The larger the network, the more values need to be computed in this elaborate way.

This process requires massive amounts of hand-labeled training data. The labels are needed to compute the error during training. For example, ChatGPT3 used 175 billion parameters and was trained using massive amounts of text over several months until it learned the order of words in a sentence. It is artificial, but it is not intelligent.


What is intelligence anyway? It is more than acquiring and applying knowledge and includes the ability to create, invent, imagine and find new solutions. It is the ability to adapt to new challenges, finding solutions with incomplete data, imagination and creativity, and is central to human survival. Current artificial intelligence systems do not adapt. They do not learn beyond their initial training. They are cause-and-effect machines; the same set of input features results in the same or very similar output.


What about the future? Will neural networks evolve to the complexity of the human brain? This is not possible with the current technology. There are several limiting factors. The model used to emulate neural cells is too simple. Brain neurons are complex computational units that integrate thousands to hundreds of thousands of inputs over spatial and time dimensions, with predictive functions essential to learning. Those functions are completely missing in artificial neural networks.

To evolve artificial neural networks to the next level, a whole new model needs to be developed that more closely resembles the function of biological neural cells and the structure of the brain. Neural network models are getting larger and larger, requiring incremental computing and electrical power and cooling. While the brain, with 86 billion neurons and 100 trillion parameters, uses the equivalent of just 20 watts of energy, these large artificial neural networks consume megawatts.

There is no need to fear the evolution of artificial intelligence. Just like the introduction of the small computer in the 1970s caused a shift in the way we do things, the broader use of artificial intelligence will cause a shift as well. Some jobs will be automated and disappear, while new jobs will be created, and many jobs will become more efficient because of AI tools.


Any new technology can be used and abused and can be used for peaceful purposes and for warfare; that is just human nature. With the current lack of intelligence in artificial intelligence, discussions about when these systems become smarter than humans are just so much hot air.

Generative AI systems are trained to perform a single task. ChatGPT generates text, and Dali generates images from text; that is all they can do. Artificial intelligence can be used to create interesting and useful tools, but it is not capable of spontaneously learning a new task or having any desire or emotion. Those are reserved for human intelligence, which we can and should direct to make the world a better place.
 
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