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If ARM was an arm, BRN would be its biceps💪!
It's amazing how all the trolls are coming out to play right now! He-he-he!

NAH-NAH -NEE-NAH-NAH-NAH!

Not gonna get our shares! Bum-bums!
 
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robsmark

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It's amazing how all the trolls are coming out to play right now! He-he-he!

NAH-NEE-NAH-NEE-NAH-NAH!

Not gonna get our shares! Bum-bums!

Where are the trolls Bravo? I’ve read this page from top to bottom and can’t see any?
 
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Bravo

If ARM was an arm, BRN would be its biceps💪!
Where are the trolls Bravo? I’ve read this page from top to bottom and can’t see any?
SPROGGO!!! As if that's not troll's name...
 
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robsmark

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How come you know Sproggo's history so well?
Lol only 14 posts or so.
Easy to get the gist
Equals no trollish behavior
 
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Might be worthwhile to do a little digging on some of the names/terms mentioned here
Spoon feeders need only apply.
 
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As I’ve been saying for a long time now that just because there isn’t a license agreement announced does not mean that customers aren’t designing proof of concepts and getting to production with akida, because the customers simply do not want it to be announced due to NDA’s and other confidentiality reasons but people just want sugar hits and not want to wait for the fruit to bear.

Antonio said-
“Every commercial situation is different you know and plus there are confidentiality issues with our partners that we have to be mindful of as well, we can’t forward announce anything that they’re doing, allow me to stress that a little bit more.
When somebody takes a license from us most likely it is way at the front end design cycle and so at best, at best they’re 2 to 3 years out from having production in any sort of meaningful volume, so to be honest they might not even get there so given the time frames plus all the other features that they have to work on that they haven’t done yet at the time they’ve taken a license from us you know our licensee might want to wait a bit before tipping the market with respect to to what technology they’re working on or what product they’ll be producing and naturally this impacts how we make announcements to the market place.
You know for example have you heard of anyone in the world saying that they’re designed into the Galaxy s26 or the iPhone 16? I mean you haven’t heard that it’s too early.
Now I’m pretty confident I don’t think I’m saying anything wrong by saying I’m sure a lot of decisions with respect to those products have already been made but there’s no announcements because they’re not tipping the market yet so there’s a lot of nuances and variances”
When somebody takes a license from us most likely it is way at the front end design cycle and so at best, at best they’re 2 to 3 years out from having production in any sort of meaningful volume, so to be honest they might not even get there so given the time frames plus all the other features that they have to work on that they haven’t done yet at the time they’ve taken a license from us you know our licensee might want to wait a bit before tipping the market with respect to to what technology they’re working on or what product they’ll be producing and naturally this impacts how we make announcements to the market place.”

What’s your take on this comment? Especially in respect to my highlighted section. What is he saying here? To be honest, they might not even get there? I’m confused
 
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Hugging Face, Kissing Ass, Whatever etc

O to be a good friend of NVDA

Knock, knock...this would surely elevate share price >59 cents

(Free to dream)

 
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Damo4

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Bloodbath? Hahaha
By now this is a standard week for BRN holders.
Bring on Akida2

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Not worried about the financials at this stage. Company is growing, Akida is receiving much deserved attention. Great team of professionals and experts. Good communication and resources. Go team : )
 
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Apologies if I posted this before but pretty sure I haven't (didn't get the download again notice)
Type Akida in the search function.
Or read the lot.🤯
 

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I am trying to reconcile the many good and considered posts positing that Akida IP may be in Valeos SCALA 3 or some of the 2024 Mercedes models (out later this year) with the understandably limited information from our company regarding commercially sensitive business dealings and indeed license agreements.

Unless valeo or Mercedes have taken one of the two licenses through megachips or are relying on the 2 node renesas licence then I cannot help but think it highly unlikely that these companies would announce upcoming products to the market, take orders for those products and move to produce those products without the contractual wherewithal in place to guarantee the terms of the relationship with all suppliers.

It may well be that the original EAP agreements or for instance the terms of the partnership agreement with Valeo ( some of which were announced at the time of the partnership announcement) were adequate to cover all future eventualities but I think this seems unlikely. I know that Dio has suggested that with respect to valeo this may well be the case (and I do regard his posts/views highly) but I must admit I am less confident. The reference to milestone payments and the like is certainly reassuring but this seems more aligned to the product development phase than the production phase. It doesn’t mean of course that the agreement doesn’t contain licence fee or production terms clauses but there is not as far as I can see any reference to them.

My understanding of the relevant ASX listing requirements is that certain commercially sensitive licence agreements need not be announced to the market and this may provide an out for our company. however, we would in this case still expect an upfront revenue kicker to show up in the accounts which I do not believe it has done as yet.

Whilst it appears highly highly likely that our working relationship with valeo and merc continue I am hoping that our inclusion in their future products is imminent and not too many iterations away.

I look forward to anyone’s thoughts that may help me to achieve some clarity on this issue.

Cheers.
 
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Yes, the 1H23 report reflects a lacklustre 6 months for the company from a sales perspective.

How some shareholders on here were expecting anything different though is beyond me. What company in their right mind was going to sign an IP licence with Brainchip in the first half of 2023 when Akida 2.0 benefits are right around the corner? As Sean noted in the AGM, the second generation of Akida with its incredible improvements and additional functionality, was developed as a result of direct feedback from customers as to their requirements.

Considering lead adopters have been engaged with the benefits of Akida 2.0 for a short while now with general availability supposedly available now as per @Fact Finder recent post, we should surely be expecting some sales conversions. My personal timeframe to start seeing some more numbers on the boards (IP licences) is 6-12 months. We've been patient. Leeway has been given for much longer than anticipated but with the release of the 2.0 platform, there are no more excuses to deliver tangible, financial results.
 
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Nearly time to sell company to the chinese
 
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Quiltman

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I am trying to reconcile the many good and considered posts positing that Akida IP may be in Valeos SCALA 3 or some of the 2024 Mercedes models (out later this year) with the understandably limited information from our company regarding commercially sensitive business dealings and indeed license agreements.

Unless valeo or Mercedes have taken one of the two licenses through megachips or are relying on the 2 node renesas licence then I cannot help but think it highly unlikely that these companies would announce upcoming products to the market, take orders for those products and move to produce those products without the contractual wherewithal in place to guarantee the terms of the relationship with all suppliers.

It may well be that the original EAP agreements or for instance the terms of the partnership agreement with Valeo ( some of which were announced at the time of the partnership announcement) were adequate to cover all future eventualities but I think this seems unlikely. I know that Dio has suggested that with respect to valeo this may well be the case (and I do regard his posts/views highly) but I must admit I am less confident. The reference to milestone payments and the like is certainly reassuring but this seems more aligned to the product development phase than the production phase. It doesn’t mean of course that the agreement doesn’t contain licence fee or production terms clauses but there is not as far as I can see any reference to them.

My understanding of the relevant ASX listing requirements is that certain commercially sensitive licence agreements need not be announced to the market and this may provide an out for our company. however, we would in this case still expect an upfront revenue kicker to show up in the accounts which I do not believe it has done as yet.

Whilst it appears highly highly likely that our working relationship with valeo and merc continue I am hoping that our inclusion in their future products is imminent and not too many iterations away.

I look forward to anyone’s thoughts that may help me to achieve some clarity on this issue.

Cheers.

Good points ...

With reference to Valeo, a "Joint Development " agreement can have numerous commercial iterations. There was agreement with Valeo that would cover some of BrainChips development costs, but no insight to what the commercial outcome of a successful "development using Akida" would be like.

From articles in 2020

Tech developer BrainChip (BRN) has signed a joint development agreement with European automotive supplier Valeo for its Akida system.

Valeo supplies sensors and systems for autonomous vehicles (AV) and advanced driver assistance systems (ADAS).

The tier-one auto supplier will incorporate BrainChip’s Akida neuromorphic System-on-Chip (SoC) as a neural network processor in Valeo’s sensing system.

The SoC will be developed to process data and learn in a way that is a lot more focused and streamlined than previous system architectures.

The low-power, reliable system will bypass the need for an exterior processing unit to integrate large amounts of sensor data, and instead provide a potentially better and more elastic solution in one compact package.


Most likely commercial outcome, IMHO, is a royalty from sales.
Something like 1% - 2%
And this would only become " worthy of ASX announcement" on sales being achieved. Even though Valeo have pre-orders etc, what happens if Valeo goes bust, or production fails etc. etc.
So my logic goes, it's been 3.5 years. Valeo scientists were lauding Spiking Neural Networks as the future back in 2018, they choose to work with BrainChip, so Valeo have been at it for more than 5 years, nothing has been announced that the joint development has been terminated. Is it SCALA 3 ? Very good chance, but not definite. We could still be "developing"
 
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