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[Diogenese]

Thank Dodgy Knees.

Back in the mid 1990's the latest IT buzz was about electronic commerce. But there was one significant problem. At that time websites were unable to let a user "maintain state" between pages, meaning the data you entered in one section of the site (e.g. the catalogue) was lost when you navigated to another page (e.g. the checkout). This seem almost unbelievable now but believe me it was a real problem back in the day.

Then we introduced a development and deployment environment call "WebSpeed" (google it) which provided a solution to the problem. Why do that? Well, we had an extensive VAR network that was clambering for a workable and affordable solution to what had been a roadblock to the widespread implementation of e-commerce - which was at the top of many of their customer's must do list. It quickly became a great success.

The difference with AKIDA getting to market is twofold. viz;

1. There was no existing VAR channel (aka eco-system) through which the product could be introduced and
2. As some here refer to it as, AKIDA is to many in the IT industry "science fiction".

Both of those problems were always going to take time and skill to overcome. There can be no doubt that PVDM and AM are visionaries - what they have achieved technically is amazing. So amazing it seems that, apparently, many in the industry either don't believe or are keeping their heads well and truly in the sand. Hello Elon...........

I maintain that management had/has underestimated the task in hand of commercialisation of a ground breaking technology. PVDM should never have uttered the words "explosive sales" and SH should not have told us to "watch the financials." Both of those comments/statements smack of over-promising and under-delivering on the commercial front. Trust is a very fragile thing and saying things like that and not delivering shakes trust. I had my doubts about our CEO's appointment from the outset because his CV does not show experience in taking a revolutionary product to market before. He has plenty of commercial experience and success with existing products/vendors but not with something like AKIDA. I suspect he's learning many lessons, particularly around how to be a public company CEO. In my opinion the one member of mgt who seems to understand appropriate messaging at this stage of the company's development is RT.

As I've said recently, I hope the yearly contains evidence of concrete progress on the commercial front. Not just partnerships and back slapping about how great AKIDA is, but some meat on the bones. I'm hungry..........

The incoherent ramblings of an anonymous internet person so please don't consider anything as advice.

Thanks Toasty,

As you would appreciate, selling software is a whole different ball game from selling hardware SoC IP. ARM has mastered it, but they were still selling their own improved version of well established von Neumann designs. They had to build up their business slowly.

As you say, we are selling voodoo electronics - how can someone get the same results as a tried and tested CNN software classification system with multi-million image model libraries, but using a much compressed model library and using 1/1000 of the power and time? Clearly snake oil!

And we must not overlook the stupendous contribution of Simon Thorpe's group in devising JAST which in itself looks like a conjurer's trick - digital neuromorphic prestidigitations - how did they discern patterns in that plethora of random spikes? .

When I first found BRN and looked at their patents 5 years ago, I was immediately overtaken by FOMO because BRN were giving a podcast seminar to engineers in the US. I was expecting explosive hockey sticks back then, and I still am.

Not that I expected immediate product sales, rather is thought that the audience would immediately recognize the potential.

I think there were only a couple of attendees who had any (peripheral) understanding of the tech. Presumably they were familiar with CNN. That is, they were the people who understood the state-of-the-art at the time (leaving aside the ivory-tower university researchers and their analog neurons). And, being engineers, they probably weren't that much into the stock market.

So yes, it is easy to underestimate the difficulty of introducing such revolutionary tech to the market.

Mind you, PvdM was coming of the relative success of highly awarded BrainChip studio software and the added advantages of the BrainChip accelerator companion hardware.

BrainChip has gone through a series of market re-incarnations:
Studio;
Accelerator;
SNAP;
Akida;
Akida IP.

There came a time when BrainChip was forced to abandon development of the legacy products, tighten its belt, and focus on Akida SoC development.

Since then, they have re-focused on Akida IP, a very hard sell with extended lead times.

So, yes, the company has been forced to change course several times. But none of the management team had a crystal ball, and establishing an entirely new leading edge tech market against the tide of incumbent inertia required a lot of probing to find an entry point.

 

[Diogenese]

Like a Sony / Prophesee stacked camera sensor

I wish.

 

[Diogenese]

FF - great to have you back and after reading this comment I do believe the phrase many are scrabbling for is .... Check and Mate

Isn't that chess, not scrabble?

 

[Diogenese]

It is indeed good to see FF back. And presenting well reasoned observations. The thing I have a problem with is this. If AKD1500 is competitively so important, why is the company not saying so publically. Stealth marketing?? FFS, someone at BRN start waving the flag!!!!

We don't actually have the PCIe boards yet.

 

[Onboard21]

The point I thought interesting in the podcast was when PVDM said the data storage companies use more energy consumption combined that England does in a year. If I heard right, Akida uses only 3% of that energy consumption. (please correct me if I'm wrong). Who wouldn't want to reduce their energy consumption.

 

[toasty]

We don't actually have the PCIe boards yet.

I suppose from an abundance of caution perspective you're right. However, if when the product is produced and tested to function we don't see some chest beating I for one will be VERY disappointed. Time to stop hiding our light under a bush.

And just by the by, it seems to me that selling IP is a form of selling software...........no physical product involved, just code.

 

[Diogenese]

I suppose from an abundance of caution perspective you're right. However, if when the product is produced and tested to function we don't see some chest beating I for one will be VERY disappointed. Time to stop hiding our light under a bush.

And just by the by, it seems to me that selling IP is a form of selling software...........no physical product involved, just code.

Yes, but a little more complicated for the customer.

 

[toasty]

Yes, but a little more complicated for the customer.

Well, sometimes. My speciality was in database and tools (4GL, data extraction, BI) rather than packages. So we were selling stuff for our customers to make other stuff with...

 

[Nobbie1992]

The Facts:

Rob who is a dentist because he keeps his identity secret has listed his house for sale. Rob spent a great deal of time researching his local agents and chooses Browns because they have the highest number of sales and listings in the last 12 months and the principle has received industry awards and has hundreds of compliments on his web page from happy vendors and purchasers complementing him and his team for their honesty and service.

As a result Rob tells Browns that he is in a hurry to sell his house and for the best possible price but he is stressed financially and will need to sell regardless of price. Browns advise Rob that in this market sales are occurring but days on market has increased and so given his circumstances the best strategy is to go to auction with a short but intensive marketing campaign and a number of open houses both on the weekend and weekdays leading up to the auction. Rob was impressed and signs the sales and auction agreement.

Rob a week later is having a coffee at his local café and starts talking to a complete stranger about real estate and mentions he has his house going to auction in two weeks. The stranger replies “I hope you do not have that useless mob Browns doing the auction. They are the worst agents I have seen in 30 years of being involved in real estate investing.”

The stranger is called for his takeaway coffee and leaves the café. Rob has no idea who this person was or what his motivation is but starts to worry about his opinion even though it is completely anonymous and directly opposed to everything he has discovered and his personal opinion having spoken with Browns.

The following day is the first open for inspection. Worried Rob parks up the road to watch. It is a Thursday and Browns have told him that being Thursday there is unlikely to be many people inspecting but it is important to get the message out as passing motorists will see the signs and start to investigate the online sales.

Even though Rob has been told this he becomes worried when only a couple of cars arrive and only a few people enter the property and he then starts to think that the stranger may have been correct.

Rob starts to ask friends and relatives if they think he has chosen the wrong agent. None of these persons live in his area and they all have no knowledge of the agents or real estate but some still venture opinions because everyone is entitled to hold and give an opinion.

They are of limited emotional intelligence and do not consider the consequences of giving such ill-considered uninformed opinions and when one is asked by his wife why he said what he did to Rob he said why would he take any notice of me anyway.

Unfortunately Rob does to the extent that it fuels his anxiety and he starts to worry so much he is loosing sleep. He reads negative things in the press about the real estate market and about a dishonest agent in another city and ignores that the sales figures for his area continue to exceed the national average and his agents excellent reputation. He completely ignores all the evidence that Browns keep performing and telling the truth to their customers.

The next open for inspection is on Saturday and this time the agent arrives and tells Rob that he expects a significant number of people to turn up because of the telephone and email traffic they have had. When Rob is leaving he notices a number of cars parked in the street and people milling around at the gate. Rob leaves.

The agent sets up the house and then positions himself at the front door ready to declare the house open. What the agent did not see was a shadowy male figure at the side window of the house watching as he went about his duties and that immediately he went out the front door that this shadowy figure quickly enter via the back door and relieved himself on the loungeroom coffee table and defecate on the carpet in front of the fireplace before quickly exiting out the back door and leaving by the side gate.

This shadowy figure then waited until all of the interested purchasers had entered to inspect the property whereupon he places notices under the wipers of the parked vehicles maligning the honesty and competency of Browns and recommending another property that is open for inspection with another agent two streets away claiming it represents much better value for money.

The question for you to answer is who is most likely to be the shadowy figure:

1. Is it Rob the home owner with the most at stake?

2. Is it a rival real estate agent trying to break into the area and attempting to destroy Browns reputation?

3. Is it the anonymous stranger who for his own personal reasons wants to ruin Rob’s chances of a sale to pick up a bargain having discovered that Rob has to sell regardless of price?

4. Is it a 'good' Samaritan trying to help Rob by exercising a right to free vandalism and speech?

According to ChatGPT:

"The shadowy figure is most likely to be the rival real estate agent trying to break into the area and attempting to destroy Browns reputation."

 

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[Xhosa12345]

Back for another run FF!

Welcome back!

 

[Murphy]

The Facts:

Rob who is a dentist because he keeps his identity secret has listed his house for sale. Rob spent a great deal of time researching his local agents and chooses Browns because they have the highest number of sales and listings in the last 12 months and the principle has received industry awards and has hundreds of compliments on his web page from happy vendors and purchasers complementing him and his team for their honesty and service.

As a result Rob tells Browns that he is in a hurry to sell his house and for the best possible price but he is stressed financially and will need to sell regardless of price. Browns advise Rob that in this market sales are occurring but days on market has increased and so given his circumstances the best strategy is to go to auction with a short but intensive marketing campaign and a number of open houses both on the weekend and weekdays leading up to the auction. Rob was impressed and signs the sales and auction agreement.

Rob a week later is having a coffee at his local café and starts talking to a complete stranger about real estate and mentions he has his house going to auction in two weeks. The stranger replies “I hope you do not have that useless mob Browns doing the auction. They are the worst agents I have seen in 30 years of being involved in real estate investing.”

The stranger is called for his takeaway coffee and leaves the café. Rob has no idea who this person was or what his motivation is but starts to worry about his opinion even though it is completely anonymous and directly opposed to everything he has discovered and his personal opinion having spoken with Browns.

The following day is the first open for inspection. Worried Rob parks up the road to watch. It is a Thursday and Browns have told him that being Thursday there is unlikely to be many people inspecting but it is important to get the message out as passing motorists will see the signs and start to investigate the online sales.

Even though Rob has been told this he becomes worried when only a couple of cars arrive and only a few people enter the property and he then starts to think that the stranger may have been correct.

Rob starts to ask friends and relatives if they think he has chosen the wrong agent. None of these persons live in his area and they all have no knowledge of the agents or real estate but some still venture opinions because everyone is entitled to hold and give an opinion.

They are of limited emotional intelligence and do not consider the consequences of giving such ill-considered uninformed opinions and when one is asked by his wife why he said what he did to Rob he said why would he take any notice of me anyway.

Unfortunately Rob does to the extent that it fuels his anxiety and he starts to worry so much he is loosing sleep. He reads negative things in the press about the real estate market and about a dishonest agent in another city and ignores that the sales figures for his area continue to exceed the national average and his agents excellent reputation. He completely ignores all the evidence that Browns keep performing and telling the truth to their customers.

The next open for inspection is on Saturday and this time the agent arrives and tells Rob that he expects a significant number of people to turn up because of the telephone and email traffic they have had. When Rob is leaving he notices a number of cars parked in the street and people milling around at the gate. Rob leaves.

The agent sets up the house and then positions himself at the front door ready to declare the house open. What the agent did not see was a shadowy male figure at the side window of the house watching as he went about his duties and that immediately he went out the front door that this shadowy figure quickly enter via the back door and relieved himself on the loungeroom coffee table and defecate on the carpet in front of the fireplace before quickly exiting out the back door and leaving by the side gate.

This shadowy figure then waited until all of the interested purchasers had entered to inspect the property whereupon he places notices under the wipers of the parked vehicles maligning the honesty and competency of Browns and recommending another property that is open for inspection with another agent two streets away claiming it represents much better value for money.

The question for you to answer is who is most likely to be the shadowy figure:

1. Is it Rob the home owner with the most at stake?

2. Is it a rival real estate agent trying to break into the area and attempting to destroy Browns reputation?

3. Is it the anonymous stranger who for his own personal reasons wants to ruin Rob’s chances of a sale to pick up a bargain having discovered that Rob has to sell regardless of price?

4. Is it a 'good' Samaritan trying to help Rob by exercising a right to free vandalism and speech?

Perfect analogy my friend....... and welcome back (in whatever capacity you so chose matey)

If you don't have dreams, you can't have dreams come true!

 

[HUSS]

I find the complete absence of any information about LSTM & Transformers in this podcast extremely exciting.

Previously Peter van der Made said as Acting CEO AKD 2000 was ready to go to engineering shortly.

Ken Scarince explaining the payments recorded in the half yearly said they had bought and paid for all the necessary third party IP for AKD 2000.

Rob Telson was excited in the Carnegie Mellon podcast about transformers for natural language processing.

Anil Mankar said at 2021 Ai Field day there would be a little bit of LSTM in AKD1500.

As a matter of proven science and engineering there are multiple papers supporting that CNN, RNN & SNN are compatible with LSTM and Transformers.

NOW COMPLETE SILENCE. THIS SILENCE HAS TO BE SIGNIFICANT in my opinion.

As for whether this Podcast was just fluff I will remind everyone that various posters here have lauded the ability of Peter van der Made to set out a timetable for the completion of his vision and marvelled that since he did so back in 2015 he has met every technology development target yet those same posters have not given Peter van der Made's statement that AGI of the type he described will be achieved by Brainchip in 2030 approximately. If Bill Gates made the same statement imagine how the World's press would respond.

The third and compelling piece of information in this Podcast comes from the clear statement that by producing AKD1500 without a CPU in fully digital format in 22nm at Global Foundries Brainchip will be swiping the feet out from under all those claiming to be able to produce SNN in analogue as no one developing analogue SNN for the edge can offer such flexibility and scalability because of the yet to be overcome difficulties involved in producing analogue chips.

@Diogenese has expanded on this numerous times and multiple papers have been posted together with links on HC and TSEx. This revealed FACT is SIGNIFICANT and those suggesting it is a fluff podcast clearly have no idea about AKIDA technology revolution and should refrain from commenting until they do. SCIENCE is not about lay opinions.

While not spoken of in great detail at 22nm from Global Foundries the reduction of leakage involved in their design ordinarily produces up to a 70% improvement in power use of a traditional von Neumann designed chip.

This is a well known and understood FACT that anyone and everyone in the semiconductor space just knows so when all those on the Podcast glossed over this FACT and spoke to the huge power saving advantage of AKIDA technology they most likely thought that even your average retail investor in Brainchip would understand what a further up to 70% power saving is not fluff and will mean that when Brainchip presents the AKD1500 to the World it will create ripples throughout the semiconductor industry.

The already inconceivable science fiction of AKD1000 at 300 megahertz outperforming a GPU running at 900 megahertz just gets blown out into something that is beyond Edge Impulses understanding of what constitutes science fiction. Imagine the reaction that Nviso will have to what AKD1500 can do????

This is my opinion only so feel free to urinate all over these known provable FACTS for your own malicious purposes and continue to claim this was just a fluff Podcast.
FF

AKIDA BALLISTA

VERY WELCOME BACK FF!! Very thoughtful post!!

 

[Murphy]

Perfect analogy my friend....... and welcome back (in whatever capacity you so chose matey)

If you don't have dreams, you can't have dreams come true!

Forgot to mention earlier, FF, I hope your hiatus was not as an outcome of ill-health. If it was, I hope all is resolved now or at least on the improve. No need to reply, mate, as this is absolutely, no one else's business. Just reinforcing my Mum's mantra that if you don't have your health, you don't have anything.
Cheers


If you don't have dreams, you can't have dreams come true!

 

[Fact Finder]

I think the whole idea, of having an automated driving system, that needs the driver to still pay attention, is flawed, as it defeats the whole purpose of it being automated in the first place.

I can't imagine being in the "drivers" seat of an SDC and constantly monitoring everything, in case it f*%ks up..

I imagine, that it would be more stressful, than just having full control!

The whole "idea" is so that you can relax and take your mind off the road..

It will only be truly achieveable, with dedicated road infrastructure, in my humble opinion.

The article said that this was the 14TH TIME a Tesla has driven or been driven into a stationary emergency vehicle. In the old days three times was a proof and no one ever got to doing the same stupid thing 14 times without someone calling a halt.

Having stood on major highways at night in the rain directing cars around serious accidents with white gloves and a torch I think I would now refuse to do so with Tesla vehicles failing to stop for a full size emergency vehicles with flashing lights.

Typical techie attitude. Sell it anyway we will send out updates until it works. I need the money to build a rocket ship to take me to Mars. This attitude is perhaps OK for mobile phones but a tonne of metal travelling at a 100 kph is an entirely different beast.

People are not lab rats.

My opinion only DYOR
FF

AKIDA BALLISTA

 

[SharesForBrekky]

Not sure if anyone has brought this up from the latest podcast, but quite interesting the superheroes both Nandan & Peter chose. Nandan picked his father and Peter picked Albert Einstein.

I think Rob asking this question is quite a worthwhile question because I feel generally it could say a lot about the character of the person he's interviewing. Can't remember what superheroes there were in previous podcasts but Nandan looking up to his father who has been both so strong-willed and positive while fighting cancer for the past 4 years, and with Einstein whom Peter has looked up to for a long time.

Peter mentioned Einstein's ability to look out the box and envision solutions nobody could even think about coming up with, which I'm sure a lot of you can relate Peter to.

 

[BaconLover]

I think the whole idea, of having an automated driving system, that needs the driver to still pay attention, is flawed, as it defeats the whole purpose of it being automated in the first place.

I can't imagine being in the "drivers" seat of an SDC and constantly monitoring everything, in case it f*%ks up..

I imagine, that it would be more stressful, than just having full control!

The whole "idea" is so that you can relax and take your mind off the road..

It will only be truly achieveable, with dedicated road infrastructure, in my humble opinion.

12 car companies caused autonomous driving accidents last year and we only hear about Tesla.
Ideally, yes, we would be better of removing human error element from the roads, but we are way off from it.

So, at this stage, it is drivers responsibility to take care on the road, even if he/she uses autonomous feature, be ready to respond to emergency.

I'm still against these journos vendetta against one person and company who leads the world in electric vehicles and what they offer.
No different to some people like Nanalyze who talks always rubbish about Brainchip because it hasn't been taken over yet.

 

[Fact Finder]

We all have and are entitled to our own opinions here on TSE, so please don't have a " hissy fit " and make false assertions about my post of the recent podcast being fluff made for malicious purposes .....

I'm sorry but l have decided to express my opinion about you and others and your claim that everyone has a right to their opinion think its a hissy fit.

So if it was as you say not malicious what is your excuse?

Ignorance of the FACTS and what Brainchip has achieved and a willingness to say anything that pops into your head because well what does it matter if you express opinions of no substance?

Go and scold someone who cares two hoots about your right to free speech.

I am invested in this company for one reason which is to make a profit. Your opinions have no value unless supported by FACTS.

As such I will not tolerate the argument from you and others that 'I have no idea what this is all about, I have done little to no research, I did not understand what I was reading anyway' but I am going to say this is fluff because it is my constitutional right to speak my mind no matter how it affects your investment because this is my opinion.

I have set out why this Podcast is light years away from being fluff. I invited you to urinate on my argument. Saying I have had a hissy fit and claiming you have a right to an opinion is not a response to the stated FACTS.

Either put your contrary FACTS or skulk back under your rock.

My opinion only FF

AKIDA BALLISTA

 

[skutza]

1. Clear evidence that this stock has been smashed by shorters.
2. Clear evidence that many, many, many are very interested in Brainchip.
3. Clear evidence that Brainchip is becoming a solution for many many companies.
4. Clear evidence that you don't have to join dots, they are just bonuses. Look at the social media posts and the many professional people that acknowledge everything Brainchip are achieving.
5. Clear Evidence that Fact Finder doesn't like TESLA (Even though I have a model Y performance arriving soon! It's ok because I will only drive it with my hands or knees if eating...)
6. Clear evidence that soon (whatever that means for many of you, I know what it means for me) AKIDA will be used and AKIDA 1500 is a sold product waiting to be delivered.

Where is this evidence?

And many other places that anyone wants to look. I am so gonna be father of the year when this thing breaks. (well I already kinda am, but even more so lol)

HA I'm locked and loaded baby, 2023 is going to be awesome, can feel it in my bones.

 

[Fullmoonfever]

This came up as featured in the latest edition and link takes you to the below article which may have been posted before?

BrainChip tapes out its AI chip in 22nm FD SOI

BrianChip has taped out its AKD1500 event based machine learning chip on the low power GlobalFoundries 22nm FD-SOI technology.

www.eenewseurope.com

BrainChip has taped out its latest AKD1500 event based machine learning chip on the low power GlobalFoundries 22nm fully depleted silicon-on-insulator (FD-SOI) technology.

The reference design is a key milestone is part of validating BrainChip’s IP across different processes and foundries. It has also been working with Renesas on integrating the IP, called Akida, into a chip that taped out last month.

• Renesas tapes out spiking neural network chip
• NASA looks to BrainChip’s spiking neural network chip
• Akida spiking neural processor could head to FDSOI

The AKD1500 uses the latest features of BrainChip’s AI IP in combination with the ultra-low leakage FDX22 process for always-on, at-sensor applications or other low-power embedded applications in AIoT, industrial, consumer and automotive markets.

For always-on AI at the sensor, Akida can offload feed-forward networks without the use of a CPU, which enables extremely energy efficient intelligent sensors. For other low-power embedded applications, the CPU solely performs sensor fusion processes or runs the application with Akida managing all the AI acceleration to significantly minimize CPU workload and system load, freeing up the MCU for other general-purpose computation.

Spiking neural networks​

The AKD1500 is designed as an accelerator reference chip, using quad/octal SPI interfaces for MCU modules and PCIe for extensible cards, which assists partners in developing and demonstrating their solutions as a stepping stone to integrating the Akida IP into their production SoCs.

• BrainChip joins Intel Foundry Services to drive neuromorphic AI
• Brainchip ships first mini PCIexpress board with spiking neural network chip
• BrainChip provides details of neural network architecture

“This is an important validation milestone in the continuing innovation of our event-based, neuromorphic Akida IP, even if it is fully digital and portable across foundries,” said Anil Mankar, Co-Founder & Chief Development Officer at BrainChip. “The AKD1500 reference chip using GlobalFoundries’ very low-leakage FD SOI platform, showcases the possibilities for intelligent sensors in edge AI.”