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Could someone who knows stuff please have a look at this and confirm ours is better?

“Better” is open for interpretation. I’d say different and limited. It seems to be a chip that can be trained to do a specific task in a way that is generally acceptable to call it AI. Not in my opinion, but seemingly accepted by many others. But then I could do the same in a sequential programmimg language also. No AI need be involved.

For each pixel
if( pixel changes from previous state) then
do something
end if
Store current pixel state for next iteration
end loop

A couple of things that stood out for me were:
1) “GrAI VIP can handle MobileNetv1–SSD running at 30fps for 184 mW, around 20× the inferences per second per Watt compared to a comparable GPU”

Comparing it to a power-hungry GPU is a bit naughty. Everyone knows they are power hungry and anyway, GPUs don’t do inferences per se—just sledgehammer, power hungry, high level maths. Well considering multiplication to be high level that is.

Akida has helped achieve 1000fps and uses µW


2) it uses 16 but floating point in calcs. That would be compute intensive.


3) the system can be trained, but I saw nothing about it learning.

and
4) it seems very specific to processing images only. Although they do also mention audio, bit their example is only for video.

IMHO it seems like they are closer to a normal, and single tasked, CNN and are using the word neuromorphic in a very loose manner. Pretty much just as a buzz word—probably to get search engines to find the article. Sure they call things neurons, but so to do many other implementations call memory cells neurons, and call what they have neuromorphic.

As @jtardif999 stated, they don’t mention synapses, and I don’t accept that if you have neurons, then synapses naturally follow. They should, in a true neuromorphic implementation, but so many are using that term for things that are very loosely modelled on only part of the brain.

As an example I refer to ReRAM implementations of “neuromorphic” systems. They store both state and weight in memory cells, and use the resistive state of memory cells to perform analogue addition and multiplication. But I think all such “neuromorphic” implementations suffer the same limitation of not being able to learn, they can only be trained. And once trained for a task, that is the only task they do until re-trained. And if that is all you want, then is your definition of “better”.

This raises a VERY relevant question, is Akida too good. The world has time-and-time again gone with simple to understand, and simple to use solutions, over complex multi-faceted solutions. The world especially likes mass-produced widgets that do a required task well-enough. Some of these other “neuromorphic” solutions may prove to be just that. People seem happy to throw money multiple times at an inferior product rather than pay extra for the product they really need.

There’s enough room in the TAM for multiple players. I’m happy for Akida to occupy the top spot, solving the more difficult problems, and leave the more mundane to others.
 
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Not sure if this helps but does give some insight into Grai and their original AI Neuronflow Architecture on the GrAI One and they have now moved to the GrAI VIP as an evolution so I could be wrong but, expect the underlying architecture of the VIP is just some enhancements and not something entirely new or ground breaking.

Whilst obviously suitable for certain cases and close to Akida in particular areas eg digital, event based, would appear no on device learning and indicate to me still not near Akida overall.

Original May 22 paper attached.

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Not sure if this helps but does give some insight into Grai and their original AI Neuronflow Architecture on the GrAI One and they have now moved to the GrAI VIP as an evolution so I could be wrong but, expect the underlying architecture of the VIP is just some enhancements and not something entirely new or ground breaking.

Whilst obviously suitable for certain cases and close to Akida in particular areas eg digital, event based, would appear no on device learning and indicate to me still not near Akida overall.

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This is an awesome find, thank you!



I am looking for the slide from a BrainChip presentation that shows Graimatter next to BrainChip with a few of the other chips to the right


Anyone know which one it's from? I thought it was 2022 AGM preso
 
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@uiux @misslou

Not sure if this helps but does give some insight into Grai and their original AI Neuronflow Architecture on the GrAI One and they have now moved to the GrAI VIP as an evolution so I could be wrong but, expect the underlying architecture of the VIP is just some enhancements and not something entirely new or ground breaking.

Whilst obviously suitable for certain cases and close to Akida in particular areas eg digital, event based, would appear no on device learning and indicate to me still not near Akida overall.

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I am hoping that if I force feed enough of the underlying maths into my head it's going to magically just start making sense one day
 
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If ARM was an arm, BRN would be its biceps💪!
Hey Brain Fam,

I only just realised this morning after reading the article linked below that Sony and Valeo have a connection. I must be a bit slow on the up-tick but, better late than never as the saying goes. At 2022 CES, Sony announced two electric cars, the Vision-S 01, a sedan to take on the Tesla Model 3, and the Sony Vision-S 02. For these EVs, Sony had partnered with Magna Steyr, Almotive, Valeo, and Bosch.

I haven't checked the the Vision-S 01 yet but the Vision-S 02 sedan has 40 sensors comprised of cameraas, radars and LiDARS.

Naturally, I'm not jumping to any conclusions 😇 but I thought this was VERY interesting!

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“Better” is open for interpretation. I’d say different and limited. It seems to be a chip that can be trained to do a specific task in a way that is generally acceptable to call it AI. Not in my opinion, but seemingly accepted by many others. But then I could do the same in a sequential programmimg language also. No AI need be involved.

For each pixel
if( pixel changes from previous state) then
do something
end if
Store current pixel state for next iteration
end loop

A couple of things that stood out for me were:
1) “GrAI VIP can handle MobileNetv1–SSD running at 30fps for 184 mW, around 20× the inferences per second per Watt compared to a comparable GPU”

Comparing it to a power-hungry GPU is a bit naughty. Everyone knows they are power hungry and anyway, GPUs don’t do inferences per se—just sledgehammer, power hungry, high level maths. Well considering multiplication to be high level that is.

Akida has helped achieve 1000fps and uses µW


2) it uses 16 but floating point in calcs. That would be compute intensive.


3) the system can be trained, but I saw nothing about it learning.

and
4) it seems very specific to processing images only. Although they do also mention audio, bit their example is only for video.

IMHO it seems like they are closer to a normal, and single tasked, CNN and are using the word neuromorphic in a very loose manner. Pretty much just as a buzz word—probably to get search engines to find the article. Sure they call things neurons, but so to do many other implementations call memory cells neurons, and call what they have neuromorphic.

As @jtardif999 stated, they don’t mention synapses, and I don’t accept that if you have neurons, then synapses naturally follow. They should, in a true neuromorphic implementation, but so many are using that term for things that are very loosely modelled on only part of the brain.

As an example I refer to ReRAM implementations of “neuromorphic” systems. They store both state and weight in memory cells, and use the resistive state of memory cells to perform analogue addition and multiplication. But I think all such “neuromorphic” implementations suffer the same limitation of not being able to learn, they can only be trained. And once trained for a task, that is the only task they do until re-trained. And if that is all you want, then is your definition of “better”.

This raises a VERY relevant question, is Akida too good. The world has time-and-time again gone with simple to understand, and simple to use solutions, over complex multi-faceted solutions. The world especially likes mass-produced widgets that do a required task well-enough. Some of these other “neuromorphic” solutions may prove to be just that. People seem happy to throw money multiple times at an inferior product rather than pay extra for the product they really need.

There’s enough room in the TAM for multiple players. I’m happy for Akida to occupy the top spot, solving the more difficult problems, and leave the more mundane to others.
Fantastic explanation, thanks very much.

And thanks to everyone else who knows stuff and generously shared that knowledge.

I loved being educated, especially when it comes to this investment.
 
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Fantastic explanation, thanks very much.

And thanks to everyone else who knows stuff and generously shared that knowledge.

I loved being educated, especially when it comes to this investment.


The research paper that @Fullmoonfever shared is amazing. Hands down the biggest education resource I've seen for a long time, covering lots of the competitive landscape


Amazing read. Recommended.

Thanks again @Fullmoonfever
 
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Hey Brain Fam,

I only just realised this morning after reading the article linked below that Sony and Valeo have a connection. I must be a bit slow on the up-tick but, better late than never as the saying goes. At 2022 CES, Sony announced two electric cars, the Vision-S 01, a sedan to take on the Tesla Model 3, and the Sony Vision-S 02. For these EVs, Sony had partnered with Magna Steyr, Almotive, Valeo, and Bosch.

I haven't checked the the Vision-S 01 yet but the Vision-S 02 sedan has 40 sensors comprised of cameraas, radars and LiDARS.

Naturally, I'm not jumping to any conclusions 😇 but I thought this was VERY interesting!

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Here's a conclusion for you Bravo:

Sony and Valeo have connection
 
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If ARM was an arm, BRN would be its biceps💪!
Here's a conclusion for you Bravo:

Sony and Valeo have connection


Affirmative U-bby-baby! And here's the other conclusion:

Valeo and BrainChip have a connection! 🤭
 
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Therefore, it is highly likely that someone at Valeo has advised someone at Sony, that Akida is the best god damn neuromorphic chip on the planet!
 
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This is an awesome find, thank you!



I am looking for the slide from a BrainChip presentation that shows Graimatter next to BrainChip with a few of the other chips to the right


Anyone know which one it's from? I thought it was 2022 AGM preso
Is this the one uiux
 

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Therefore, it is highly likely that someone at Valeo has advised someone at Sony, that Akida is the best god damn neuromorphic chip on the planet!

There's always that one guy
 
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@Baisyet


Nah, there is one that has 5 or so competing products on it, with Brainchip and Graimatter towards the bottom left of the slide
 
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Is this the one uiux

Although that preso has this:


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Which gives insight into what that $$$$ spent was in the 4C..


AKD1500


Reading this slide makes me think that AKD2000 will be the 2nd interation of AKD1500, which is similar to the performance enhancements reported from the 2nd batch of AKD1000
 
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Although that preso has this:


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Which gives insight into what that $$$$ spent was in the 4C..


AKD1500


Reading this slide makes me think that AKD2000 will be the 2nd interaction of AKD1500, which is similar to the performance enhancements reported from the 2nd batch of AKD1000
Im on the move is this what akd3000 is about below

Post in thread 'BRN Discussion 2022' https://thestockexchange.com.au/threads/brn-discussion-2022.1/post-117381
 
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