BET Shorting

billyidol

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Short away I was an unlucky bastard who got in at 1.25. DCA down to 90 C so far. These bastards have to buy back at some point

Me too Cameron. I was in around this time last year, my DCA price is 86c.

Absolutely - it hurts looking at it and you question your decision; it's easy to say "buy the dip", "hold on" etc. but I'm in for the long term on this because of the numbers I see right now, the people that are involved in it and the potential for it.

The fact is that based on the numbers and performance, it will turn and that's the thing, no one knows when (because on each side of the ledger, we both think we're right as those who go long and those who short), we can only guess and prepare ourselves as best as we can.

But it will not be a lazy unwinding of positions. The market is very unforgiving of those who bite off more than they can chew and it leads you into a false sense of security. Sometimes it just takes a bit of time. Right now, everyone is smashed because of the US jitters around interest rates and inflation.

Remember, the four most dangerous words in investing are "this time it's different". Also remember that back in July 2007, the then Citi CEO Charles “Chuck” Prince’s made the infamous comment to the Financial Times that global liquidity was enormous and only a significant disruptive event could create difficulty in the leveraged buyout market. “As long as the music is playing, you’ve got to get up and dance” he said. “We’re still dancing.".

And dance they did, with others. Right off the edge of the cliff, no less than two months later, when that significantly disruptive event came along that they were 'too big to fail' from. Just like back then, some of us sat there and wondered "just how long this situation can keep going ?" and that "everyone was making what seemed like easy money" but even fewer saw just how near to the edge they were dancing. But it happened, and how we laughed at the big end of town getting burned by their greed. Because "enough" never is or will be "enough", they always have to push it some more and hope it doesn't bust.

His infamous comment was that it was a race to keep up with competitors who kept loosening lending standards and Citi couldn't afford to drop out. Doesn't that sound like a familiar situation ? Everyone else is making money, taking on risk, shorting this stock. How long can it go on like this ?

Answer: it can't. Not forever. Not if the company continues to perform, because remember, there's always someone bigger and nastier than you to take the other side of a trade and when they get to hear about BET, you might just find the gorillas fighting amongst themselves.

That significantly disruptive event could be anything, but it would have to be a 'good announcement', such as record numbers in the reports, another State selects BET, a key player chooses BET, anything.

Remember that no less than 2 weeks ago, this did 15.6% in a day when management extended their stake and revenues ticked up.
 
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Another 5.5 million shorted on Wednesday. No wonder the price is under pressure, what are they playing at? This is a serious effort to blow up the price short term. 9.64%
 
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Lattelarry

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The bigger the shorting the bigger the squeeze!

The shorters must be trying to get it below $0.58 since they didn't close when it was there last time. Maybe closer to $0.5 - it will be interesting to see how they do - there is a lot of interest at the $0.6 level so I'm not sure if they will get it down to where they want.
 
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Post from Brett M H on hotcrapper- thought worthy of another post.
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Lattelarry

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I don't get MQG's shorting here since the company is far from in trouble. With their resources they could hammer just about any company of this size if they want. But they are really smart people there so they must have a reason but BET's numbers are so good it just doesn't make sense to me when there must be loads more attractive targets around.
 
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I think they are just riding the back of the negative sentiment wave that started with the TAB offer………now with the US macro economics, Covid and Russia/Ukraine news……Macquarie are doing one last shake of the short tree before BET starts to heat up.
Yeah thats about the only thing that makes sense - one last shake and see how many stop losses you can hit. Quite risky though given news is dropping more frequently and you still have to cover all those shares sold short.

I wonder what the cost of borrowing 100M shares is too?
 
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Lattelarry

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Also just noticed that the total I predicted was out by about 9M, meaning that others have closed their shorts. So that position probably is 99% MQG and just 1M from everyone else.
 
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I don’t think we will get to No.1……….as I think that would require another 38M to be shorted!
Yep I can't imagine MQG risk management approving that!
 
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Lattelarry

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How long do you think we will sit at No. 2 for?………..I hope this is just the last shakeout and things turnaround in March.
No idea, they can be very stubborn, maybe even worse when it's just one institution.
I'm hoping we get a few announcements in March that give it a big boost and they are forced to close.

I'm very curious about how they close 100M though!?
 
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billyidol

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Whoever the shorters are, I hope they ALL get righteously burned when the share price turns. And turn it shall, and they shall not know the hour when.

They are playing with fire, which is a great servant but a terrible master. But also, fire is a very cleansing element and we need to clear the decks of these shorters to have a truly level playing field. Let the market really decide what this company is worth, without interference from shorters.
 
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Lattelarry

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Low volume today!!!……not going to eat into that 102M short………..based on volumes the previous 3 days shorts could go up anywhere from 110-124M….still No. 2
Yep - Unless we see another massive transfer then I don't think we will get to no1. I'm also wondering if MQG are out of ammo and needing to go find someone to lend them more shares. Hopefully tomorrow I can go through their trades and get an idea.
 
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I think they are just riding the back of the negative sentiment wave that started with the TAB offer………now with the US macro economics, Covid and Russia/Ukraine news……Macquarie are doing one last shake of the short tree before BET starts to heat up.
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I don't get it either. It slightly concerns me as well, to see it being relentlessly shorted. I sometimes wonder if there is something negative on the horizon that the short positioned investors are aware of that will come to light shortly?

They seem pretty confident as the shorting looks very aggressive, especially given that they don't seem to mind that if they had to cover quickly they could be in trouble. This leads me to think a major positive announcement could be some time away.

The only things I can think of that shorts maybe thinking they are capitalizing on are:
1. The delayed start for fixed odds in NJ,
2. Horse wagering has an older demographic in the USA at the moment and has been slowly stagnating/dying, and getting younger bettors interested could take some time?
3. The industry maybe hesitant to allow fixed odds alongside paramutual.? So they could be thinking it could be a slow and long process?
5. General bad sentiment against any tech / wagering company without profits or profits are too far into the future?

It seems like Betmakers are making all the right moves. If we can assume its revenue run rate currently is at $100 mill given receipts last quarter at approx $25 million. Market cap net of cash approx $450 million, with a stable and industry shrewd management team/company advisors.

I just feel there must be something I am missing?
 
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I don't get it either. It slightly concerns me as well, to see it being relentlessly shorted. I sometimes wonder if there is something negative on the horizon that the short positioned investors are aware of that will come to light shortly?

They seem pretty confident as the shorting looks very aggressive, especially given that they don't seem to mind that if they had to cover quickly they could be in trouble. This leads me to think a major positive announcement could be some time away.

The only things I can think of that shorts maybe thinking they are capitalizing on are:
1. The delayed start for fixed odds in NJ,
2. Horse wagering has an older demographic in the USA at the moment and has been slowly stagnating/dying, and getting younger bettors interested could take some time?
3. The industry maybe hesitant to allow fixed odds alongside paramutual.? So they could be thinking it could be a slow and long process?
5. General bad sentiment against any tech / wagering company without profits or profits are too far into the future?

It seems like Betmakers are making all the right moves. If we can assume its revenue run rate currently is at $100 mill given receipts last quarter at approx $25 million. Market cap net of cash approx $450 million, with a stable and industry shrewd management team/company advisors.

I just feel there must be something I am missing?
It should give you confidence that our CEO bought a whole heap of shares less than a month ago in his super fund. He wouldn’t do that if he wasn’t confident where the company is heading. Patience is key for retail.
 
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I took one out, which was about the negative sentiment in the market related to the bid for Tab. But it was long ago now, so I am not sure if shorter's would be still hammering Bet for it now.

Yes, it would be good to hear from Granny again.:)

I agree the Bet looks solid. It just seems bizarre to me the level of shorting. I think Todd was trying to send the market a message with his large on market purchase recently. Normally when insiders buy large amounts of stock on market, the road ahead is clear. As there is probably no one in a better position to know than the CEO.
 
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I think we might be getting a bit march centric, we won’t see meaningful contributions to profitability from fixed odds for 6-12 months in my opinion, this may be what the shorters are banking on. Ignore this though and keep topping up like I am, even with no fixed odds revenue, pricing should be around the 1-120 mark based on current business. It’s just that the average joe may see a slow uptick in revenue for the first 6 months of fixed odds and be alarmed, the more I think on it I’m sure this is what the shorters are playing at….
Give it 2 years though and a fixed odds bonanza and I don’t think a price of $3 is out of the question, am I dreaming? maybe maybe not….
 
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I know you guys are on the right page, but the lesser educated retail might be expecting things to bounce a bit quicker, it’s the only play I can come up with that the shorters are thinking, everything else is working and going too well for this much activity 🤷‍♂️
 

Lattelarry

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There's a post on HC saying that this is an accumulation tactic by MQG but I don't see this at all - It would be nice if it was but if you look at all the trades they just published its all sells for the last few months.
 
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Lattelarry

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I'm currently processing the MQG trades. There were more purchases this year than what I had thought but I still think its just covering purchasing.
The last purchase by the MQG division thats doing the shorting was on 24/1 and the purchases are generally fairly small. There's another division that purchased some small amounts after this but they are probably acting independently.
Whats interesting too is that the trades in the second filing from 1/2 to 10/2 are almost the same volume as the trades I am looking at from the first disclosure between dates 19/10 - 31/1 - so a massive amount of trading and all of it selling in the start of Feb.
 
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