AVZ Discussion 2022

[Carlos Danger]

If this is the case you better tell AVZ and ICC arbitration lawyers who must have forgotten the memo…. Isn’t the whole ICSID case on this very fact? The ownership of 13559 is and always was AVZ and the interim orders were to restore that back to AVZ?

Or am I wrong in that? That these hot shot international lawyers have completely missed the point August alleges?

@Carlos Danger

Mate, I was thinking of asking for a rebuttal to Cohens assertions from our resident 'i'm no commercial lawyer but...'

thanks mate, those were my thoughts as well. He has not read fully the ICSID emergency findings

Interesting to see Jens agrees 100% with August

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The central issue is that the decree issuing Dathcom an exploitation licence was illegally rescinded. There is no provision in the Mining Code to rescind a licence because of disharmony amongst stakeholders. At the same time AVZ was meeting all its contractual obligations, and making good progress towards building a mine and production facilities. This cannot be denied.

However,

• Cominiere's corrupt dissolution of the Dathcom JV in April 2023, was illegal
• Cominier's sale of 15% of Dathcom to Zijin Mining was corrupt and therefore illegal
• All but $US6m of $US33.4m payment to Cominiere corruptly went in commissions, expenses and snacks
• Cominiere's decision, in conjunction with CAMI to wind up Dathcom and return PR13359 to its own name was corrupt
• Kalemie High Court's decision to uphold Cominiere's behavior, but denying AVZ the opportunity to defend or be heard was corrupt
• Cominiere's decision to split PR13359 into PR13359 (S) and PR15775 (N) was illegal
• Cominiere's decision to award Jinjiang Lithium, a subsidiary of Zijin Mining, the northern part (PR15775) of Manono was corrupt
• The $US70m payment for PR15775 went corruptly to the DRC president's 'favourite charity' instead of to going to treasury

See the pattern of corrupt or illegal behavior by the DRC and its agencies?

Nigel makes it very clear in the appeal letter that triggered the ICSID arbitration under the DRC mining code that the main purpose of the appeal is the ‘survival of the acquired rights’ for Dathcom

This has obviously now changed in that Dathcom recognise the cancellation decree and are seeking the PE for the entirety of 13359

So it’s a bit complex in this case due to the waiver and other purported partial relinquishment of 13359 by Cominiere giving the north as 15775 to Manono Lithium with different parameters than the original split

But the revival (survival enacted under law) of acquired rights for an applicant under the DRC mining code is 100% possible imo

August’s other point that KoBold will be granted a new licence makes absolutely no sense under the DRC mining code as they would need to go through the DFS process again before applying for a new PE

 

[cruiser51]

What do you do mate, someone sits there talking absolute shit and lies about you and jumping at shadows, you point out their error, they keep going, then they try to drag others in like most lame bullies do, then those who struggle to think for themselves cheer on the retard, then you defend yourself more and try to get the chat back on topic, and they keep going, then you realise this is just one of those ppl who has some serious issues so you think fuck it I'll remain silent and be the better man and eventually the tool learns to shut his mouth, but then some other ppl come along thereafter and inevitably has beef with the imbecile, and the fuckwit in his delusions starts accusing you of being that same person even though you just gave them multiple likes. So they drag you back into it, and if you remain silent now, you'll be guilty in the eyes of the mob by default

Eventually you would expect the crowd would understand what they're actually dealing with but instead you get simpletons giving the retard likes for chasing ghosts and attempting to drag the forum into the shit. Then at the end of it you get the blame for daring to defend yourself. Fuck that, there comes at time where you must stick up for yourself regardless of the opposition

Im pro AVZ, pro board (always have been), pro any forum poster who can have a laugh and is seeking the best for AVZ, Im anti anyone seeking to destroy or steal off AVZ, and I also would like to see ATH as a base price, but im not pro complete fuckwits like Davo, Hoots, toilet. Let's face it, this tool, literally will call anyone the enemy if they dare say anything that he doesnt agree with, then he will screenshot all their posts and miraculously attempt to convince himself(and others) that there is no way there could be more than one person he doesnt get along with on earth so they must all be the same person. The guys possibly the most mentally deranged dude ive seen on a forum, we're talking serious psychosis. Then you point that obvious fact out and the guy comes back and says 'you have mental issues', like what, wtaf, is he 4yrs old. Remember when you were a little kid and you'd say something stupid like you're ugly and the other kid would reply 'no you are'. That's ol' mate Davo the cricus clown forum cheerleader right there

It's Sunday, you could try going to the church, or a mosque, or the pub, the football, anything, just to relax.

 

[Yaseen]

It's Sunday, you could try going to the church, or a mosque, or the pub, the football, anything, just to relax.

Done that too, Just watched the Dee's upset the Bears, was a good game

 

[Mr Inappropriate]

August is showing his true colours here. He’s pretending to be in our corner, and telling us all to shut up and enjoy the scraps that might come our way.

The idea that an illegal act (revocation of our licence) cannot be undone through legal means is illogical. The fact that parties are apparently trying to restore 13359 to Dathcom as a precondition for sale proves this as false. Otherwise, Kobold could just sling us some cash to drop the ICSID case and fuck off.

He’s a Kobold stooge, IMO. Engage with extreme caution.

Edit: I’m not stating that ICSID can force the reinstatement of our license, but other courts in the DRC almost certainly can.

 

[ptlas]

been totally open that I use to post under ohreally before anyone said anything, the rest is your paranoid schizophrenia that youre attempting to rope others into and you attempting to come to terms with the fact that there is many people who enjoy free speech and are willing to call you out for the complete dickwad you prove yourself to be at times

carry on all you like, im over your bs buddy, water off a ducks back, go cry to ASIO or your mum, but stop trying to drag the forums into the shit again, its beyond lame, grow the fuck up, discuss the stock or fuck off to the crapper and chase the figments of your twisted

And why are you so bothered what some anonymous bod on the interweb writes?

If you're over it then STFU you annoying little turd

 

[Winenut]

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The central issue is that the decree issuing Dathcom an exploitation licence was illegally rescinded. There is no provision in the Mining Code to rescind a licence because of disharmony amongst stakeholders. At the same time AVZ was meeting all its contractual obligations, and making good progress towards building a mine and production facilities. This cannot be denied.

However,

• Cominiere's corrupt dissolution of the Dathcom JV in April 2023, was illegal
• Cominier's sale of 15% of Dathcom to Zijin Mining was corrupt and therefore illegal
• All but $US6m of $US33.4m payment to Cominiere corruptly went in commissions, expenses and snacks
• Cominiere's decision, in conjunction with CAMI to wind up Dathcom and return PR13359 to its own name was corrupt
• Kalemie High Court's decision to uphold Cominiere's behavior, but denying AVZ the opportunity to defend or be heard was corrupt
• Cominiere's decision to split PR13359 into PR13359 (S) and PR15775 (N) was illegal
• Cominiere's decision to award Jinjiang Lithium, a subsidiary of Zijin Mining, the northern part (PR15775) of Manono was corrupt
• The $US70m payment for PR15775 went corruptly to the DRC president's 'favourite charity' instead of to going to treasury

See the pattern of corrupt or illegal behavior by the DRC and its agencies?

Nicely said Flight

 

[Winenut]

August is showing his true colours here. He’s pretending to be in our corner, and telling us all to shut up and enjoy the scraps that might come our way.

The idea that an illegal act (revocation of our licence) cannot be undone through legal means is illogical. The fact that they parties are apparently trying to restore 13359 to Dathcom as a precondition for sale proves this as false. Otherwise, Kobold could just sling us some cash to drop the ICSID case and fuck off.

He’s a Kobold stooge, IMO. Engage with extreme caution.

Edit: I’m not stating that ICSID can force the reinstatement of our license, but other courts in the DRC almost certainly can.

Totally agree.....

I've wanted to post STFU to August after reading some of his quasi legal babble speak recently

Fuck me...."illegal" activity got us into this fucking hell-hole

Don't tell me there's no "legal" avenue to use to fix it

What fucking planet does he think he's on!!!?

 

[Mr Inappropriate]

Totally agree.....

I've wanted to post STFU to August after reading some of his quasi legal babble speak recently

Fuck me...."illegal" activity got us into this fucking hell-hole

Don't tell me there's no "legal" avenue to use to fix it

What fucking planet does he think he's on!!!?

it would be good if someone with an X account asked them directly if they were associated with, or acting on behalf of, Kobold.

 

[Yaseen]

And why are you so bothered what some anonymous bod on the interweb writes?

If you're over it then STFU you annoying little turd

oh the irony, dude really, just let it rest

 

[Yaseen]

Totally agree.....

I've wanted to post STFU to August after reading some of his quasi legal babble speak recently

Fuck me...."illegal" activity got us into this fucking hell-hole

Don't tell me there's no "legal" avenue to use to fix it

What fucking planet does he think he's on!!!?

felt exactly the same

 

[Goldenboy]

So what he’s saying is $2.00 US?

Nigel makes it very clear in the appeal letter that triggered the ICSID arbitration under the DRC mining code that the main purpose of the appeal is the ‘survival of the acquired rights’ for Dathcom

This has obviously now changed in that Dathcom recognise the cancellation decree and are seeking the PE for the entirety of 13359

So it’s a bit complex in this case due to the waiver and other purported partial relinquishment of 13359 by Cominiere giving the north as 15775 to Manono Lithium with different parameters than the original split

But the revival (survival enacted under law) of acquired rights for an applicant under the DRC mining code is 100% possible imo

August’s other point that KoBold will be granted a new licence makes absolutely no sense under the DRC mining code as they would need to go through the DFS process again before applying for a new PE

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Me thinks August is a cunt with another agenda

 

[Yaseen]

A quick question to Grok also tells me Felix can overturn the cancelled licence, especially considering the reform he's supposedly promising the yanks, and in fact I'd honestly assume it's a given and a must, so for August (with all due respect to him) he seems to either be slightly mislead or there's possibly another agenda at play. I'd give him the benefit of the doubt for now

 

[DiscoDanNZ]

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Nice work Samus and Ashlee!

How come every time we stop discussing the dollarydoo figure some fucker brings it back up? Thought $12 was decided on

 

[cruiser51]

it would be good if someone with an X account asked them directly if they were associated with, or acting on behalf of, Kobold.

Social media is social media.

I don't have a clue who August is, he could be the mayor of Timbuktu.

So Cath gave US$20 million to AVZ to fight their legal cases, did the wrong dd and can kiss their money goodbye, because AVZ can not get 13359 back and no lease, no ML.
I think Mr. Pei would throttle his legal advisers and elevate them from the ground by their testicles, if that was the case.

I don't think the Chinese are stupid, they started making fire crackers a long time ago.

They got 13359 North for US$33 million in mars bars and timtams, don't give a fuck and are happily building their mine.
It is not them who created this problem, but the Congolese under the guidance of CKK, mind you a stand in for a stand in, the ideal fall guy.

The Chinese are smarter than Kobold and Kobold has AI, not only that, according to August the yanks have all the cards.
Pity they don't have the real Trump card, Manono.

 

[whales]

Nigel makes it very clear in the appeal letter that triggered the ICSID arbitration under the DRC mining code that the main purpose of the appeal is the ‘survival of the acquired rights’ for Dathcom

This has obviously now changed in that Dathcom recognise the cancellation decree and are seeking the PE for the entirety of 13359

So it’s a bit complex in this case due to the waiver and other purported partial relinquishment of 13359 by Cominiere giving the north as 15775 to Manono Lithium with different parameters than the original split

But the revival (survival enacted under law) of acquired rights for an applicant under the DRC mining code is 100% possible imo

August’s other point that KoBold will be granted a new licence makes absolutely no sense under the DRC mining code as they would need to go through the DFS process again before applying for a new PE

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complex and maybe fake news about seeking all of the 13359 tenement back to Dathcom .
Or situation has changed from the USA seeking all of the tenement and no Zijin / Comminiere involvement in Manono for minerals for security.
Tightening the pressure against corruption and obtaining all the benefits from Manono.
As the MOU signed by NIgel and Kobold was to get the South returned and allow Zijin the North?
and a takeover at fair value paid by Kobold.

Yes an MOU only but agreeing to delay court proceeding .?
AVZ surely would have been given positive conditions to agree to that.

 

[ptlas]

Social media is social media.

I don't have a clue who August is, he could be the mayor of Timbuktu.

So Cath gave US$20 million to AVZ to fight their legal cases, did the wrong dd and can kiss their money goodbye, because AVZ can not get 13359 back and no lease, no ML.
I think Mr. Pei would throttle his legal advisers and elevate them from the ground by their testicles, if that was the case.

I don't think the Chinese are stupid, they started making fire crackers a long time ago.

They got 13359 North for US$33 million in mars bars and timtams, don't give a fuck and are happily building their mine.
It is not them who created this problem, but the Congolese under the guidance of CKK, mind you a stand in for a stand in, the ideal fall guy.

The Chinese are smarter than Kobold and Kobold has AI, not only that, according to August the yanks have all the cards.
Pity they don't have the real Trump card, Manono.

August is just one of a long list, who in the espionage world would be called 'sleeper agents'.

They rock up in the interweb and start posting supportive posts for side A.
These gradually become more frequent as they grow their audience/ followers and gain more credibility.
Then when the lay of the land changes, or they need it to change, they continue with their well reasoned arguments to flip 180 to side B.

There is usually a simple reason why their new argument is fatally flawed. Often, it's an omission.

In this case it is that DRC acted illegally.

I would bet that even in North Korea, illegal governmental acts could be reversed.

He's full of scheisser.

What puzzles me is why their every post is dissected when everyone knows their game?

You can tell which side a player is on by the direction they kick the ball.

 

[wombat74]

August knows the ICSID process will prevent anyone (except Chinese) getting their hands on Manono . Kobold prides themselves on being ethical . They can't partake in corrupt activities . When the ICSID exposes the DRC Government for massive Corruption re Manono Kobold will have no choice but to walk away . August seems to be developing a chip on his shoulder .

 

[cruiser51]

August is just one of a long list, who in the espionage world would be called 'sleeper agents'.

They rock up in the interweb and start posting supportive posts for side A.
These gradually become more frequent as they grow their audience/ followers and gain more credibility.
Then when the lay of the land changes, or they need it to change, they continue with their well reasoned arguments to flip 180 to side B.

There is usually a simple reason why their new argument is fatally flawed. Often, it's an omission.

In this case it is that DRC acted illegally.

I would bet that even in North Korea, illegal governmental acts could be reversed.

He's full of scheisser.

What puzzles me is why their every post is dissected when everyone knows their game?

You can tell which side a player is on by the direction they kick the ball.

Come on PT, in modern football they often kick the ball back to build a new attack, did you forget?

Even during an attack they do it to confuse the enemy, it is called a tickie back.

But on social media, unless you have met the people, you simply don't know who you are dealing with.

So whatever August says, is whatever August says, words on a screen, and that is the end of it.
It wont spoil my shiraz.

 

[DiscoDanNZ]

Social media is social media.

I don't have a clue who August is, he could be the mayor of Timbuktu.

I doubt it.

 

[Samus]

I've said it before but: