AVZ Discussion 2022

oxxa23

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So nobody watched this?
It was full up already... audio said it would be available an hour later here..

 
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Winenut

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Used GCQ at Burleigh for basic tax preparation, relaxed no dramas. Upstairs from Justin Lane bar.
Always a good start when your accountant's office is upstairs from a bar
 
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Aeolian

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It was full up already... audio said it would be available an hour later here..

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Spikerama

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cruiser51

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So they can calculate the value......
 
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Mute22

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Easter eggs?

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Skar

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And if the above is correct and you had an SMSF, wouldn't you be better off selling your personally held unlisted AVZ shares to your SMSF for pennies, so the dividend would be taxed at 15% instead? This would also realise your capital loss in personal tax.

Before anyone thinks of doing something like this, please speak to an accountant and familiarize yourself with the concept of a wash sale.
 
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Flight996

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Before anyone thinks of doing something like this, please speak to an accountant and familiarize yourself with the concept of a wash sale.

...and related-party transactions, which are red flags to the ATO, particularly in a SMSF.
 
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Jongo

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...and related-party transactions, which are red flags to the ATO, particularly in a SMSF.
My expectation is that the ATO will be ok so long as the sale of your non-super AVZ shares to your SMSF is done at a transaction value that is prepared by an ATO approved valuation company. I have obtained a quote for the valuation fee, which is $5,500, plus I have submitted a formal query to the ATO via the Business Portal secure mail process, and at present I am waiting for the ATO reponse. The ATO has indicated that their response will be available by 25-Apr-2025, but perhaps they may take longer. If the ATO approves my proposal, I will proceed with the formal valuation of AVZ and complete the transfer of my non-Super AVZ shares to my SMSF before Kobold and RIO, for example, buy AVZ.
 
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Huntian

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...and related-party transactions, which are red flags to the ATO, particularly in a SMSF.
Correct.... can't be done from related entity while de-listed. Potentially can purchase with SMSF from a non-related entity 😉.... could be interested in a win-win arrangement if someone else looking to get some holdings across into their SMSF.

Before I get torched for coming out of the woodwork... I'm just an introverted long time holder that's been lurking in the shadows suffering the same mental/financial strain as everyone else through this fkd up drama. Recent development give a glimmer of hope, however I have no doubt given the mud thrown to date, our enemies are working overtime to screw us further 😟.
 
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Flight996

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My expectation is that the ATO will be ok so long as the sale of your non-super AVZ shares to your SMSF is done at a transaction value that is prepared by an ATO approved valuation company. I have obtained a quote for the valuation fee, which is $5,500, plus I have submitted a formal query to the ATO via the Business Portal secure mail process, and at present I am waiting for the ATO reponse. The ATO has indicated that their response will be available by 25-Apr-2025, but perhaps they may take longer. If the ATO approves my proposal, I will proceed with the formal valuation of AVZ and complete the transfer of my non-Super AVZ shares to my SMSF before Kobold and RIO, for example, buy AVZ.

Getting an ATO ruling in advance is good insurance and shows a commitment to transparency.
 
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oxxa23

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My expectation is that the ATO will be ok so long as the sale of your non-super AVZ shares to your SMSF is done at a transaction value that is prepared by an ATO approved valuation company. I have obtained a quote for the valuation fee, which is $5,500, plus I have submitted a formal query to the ATO via the Business Portal secure mail process, and at present I am waiting for the ATO reponse. The ATO has indicated that their response will be available by 25-Apr-2025, but perhaps they may take longer. If the ATO approves my proposal, I will proceed with the formal valuation of AVZ and complete the transfer of my non-Super AVZ shares to my SMSF before Kobold and RIO, for example, buy AVZ.
They'll be going against their own instructions....it is no longer listed...

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oxxa23

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Flight996

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Correct.... can't be done from related entity while de-listed. Potentially can purchase with SMSF from a non-related entity 😉.... could be interested in a win-win arrangement if someone else looking to get some holdings across into their SMSF.

Before I get torched for coming out of the woodwork... I'm just an introverted long time holder that's been lurking in the shadows suffering the same mental/financial strain as everyone else through this fkd up drama. Recent development give a glimmer of hope, however I have no doubt given the mud thrown to date, our enemies are working overtime to screw us further 😟.

Maybe, but the ATO's data matching algorithms may flag cross-holding transactions undergone with the purpose of avoiding tax.

If the ATO decides to disallow a transaction, the trustee is in a world of pain.
 
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oxxa23

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Maybe, but the ATO's data matching algorithms may flag cross-holding transactions undergone with the purpose of avoiding tax.

If the ATO decides to disallow a transaction, the trustee is in a world of pain.
To be fair... ato are bloody useless... even when their data is incredibly specific and pointed...

But, we could get hit by a bus outside our front door too...
 
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