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It beggars belief that the Chinese have done little to ensure safety of their assets in the DRC. You’d have thought they would have made some noise by now but I also suspect the amount of corruption they’ve undertaken is making it a bit tricky to act.

They’ve stolen a few hundred billion in resources and will just let US potentially get a lot more influence in the DRC with just a few 10s of million worth of military aid?
How do you know the Chinese are idle?

I would say the activities of the Chinese, anywhere in the world, are only advertised, if it suits them.

But assuming that the Chinese are sitting on their hands, watching the situation from the side lines, is not something I would do.

They highly likely are busy undermining Felix, especially now he has run crying to Trump and offering him all the minerals he wants.
It is not something the Chinese, after giving Felix the red carpet treatment and a corrective snub for not kissing Xi's ring the way Xi wanted, find amusing.

I would not be too surprised, if Kabila hand in hand with the Chinese are extremely active to make Felix disappear quick smart.

Looking at what has been happening in the DRC, I would say the Tshisekedi clan has become too greedy to the liking of the Chinese masters.
And because Felix has not been able to listen to the kind, gentle hints of his Chinese masters, his time has come for a spell. (spill?)

IMO
 
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How do you know the Chinese are idle?

I would say the activities of the Chinese, anywhere in the world, are only advertised, if it suits them.

But assuming that the Chinese are sitting on their hands, watching the situation from the side lines, is not something I would do.

They highly likely are busy undermining Felix, especially now he has run crying to Trump and offering him all the minerals he wants.
It is not something the Chinese, after giving Felix the red carpet treatment and a corrective snub for not kissing Xi's ring the way Xi wanted, find amusing.

I would not be too surprised, if Kabila hand in hand with the Chinese are extremely active to make Felix disappear quick smart.

Looking at what has been happening in the DRC, I would say the Tshisekedi clan has become too greedy to the liking of the Chinese masters.
And because Felix has not been able to listen to the kind, gentle hints of his Chinese masters, his time has come for a spell. (spill?)

IMO
Interesting take and I’m sure there is some merit to it. I guess my point was more on why did Felix buddy up with US and not China? Hence my comment that China has done little - at least publicly. It seems there might be some communication breakdown with Felix and Xi …

But I take the point in another post that China doesn’t really get too involved with politics in that sense. They just wanna keep giving bags out and corrupting everyone. So probably can’t be relied upon compared to the US in this type of intervention.
 
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Bloody hell!!! Things must be good if Roon is showing a little positivity.
Things must be good if you returned to the flock too.

Good to see you again.

Good to see @JAG still alive and kicking.

Good luck to us all.
 
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I've got my toes, my fingers and my balls all crossed that this actually comes through and we get a decent price. to be out of this shite show would be so so good.
 
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Interesting take and I’m sure there is some merit to it. I guess my point was more on why did Felix buddy up with US and not China? Hence my comment that China has done little - at least publicly. It seems there might be some communication breakdown with Felix and Xi …

But I take the point in another post that China doesn’t really get too involved with politics in that sense. They just wanna keep giving bags out and corrupting everyone. So probably can’t be relied upon compared to the US in this type of intervention.

DR Congo: The Tshisekedi Family is Looting Katanga Dry​

written by Editorial March 3, 202512:19 am

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Katanga is nothing but a huge mining pit

Miners denounce the systematic looting of their province’s vast resources.
After several weeks of negotiations, a meeting was arranged. Several members of Katangan civil society, labor unions, and mining cooperatives agreed to testify in a secret location. They denounce the plundering that their provinces are subjected to, primarily Haut-Katanga (Lubumbashi) and Lualaba (Kolwezi), which were split from the larger Grand Katanga region in 2015.

Speaking out is dangerous in this country. “There’s a real crackdown led by the military and security agents, mostly from Kasai, against those who break the silence,” explains one of our sources, adding: “It must be said that illegal mining brings colossal sums to the presidential family and unscrupulous entrepreneurs.”

“Enough is enough,” says a leader of a mining cooperative in Lualaba, whose artisanal mining zone (ZEA) was seized by Christian Tshisekedi, described as the most present member of the presidential family in this province.

“Since 2019, things have significantly worsened. Katanga has become the cash cow for the presidential family, which siphons off the wealth of our provinces, especially Lualaba, but invests nothing,” explains one of our interlocutors.

According to the new mining code, more money should have gone into provincial coffers. “But almost nothing has been done, while the presidential clan, with its many frontmen and partners, mainly Chinese but also Lebanese or Indian, pockets tens of millions of dollars each month by pillaging tailings and waste rock that mostly belong to Gécamines (the successor to the Union Minière du Haut Katanga, a company that is 100% owned by the Congolese state) and private companies like ERG, a partner of Gécamines,” he continues.

Unwelcome largesse

“Under Governor Katumbi, copper production was lower, international market prices were less favorable, and there was less cross-border trade, yet investments were numerous,” asserts a Gécamines unionist. “Today, with the advantages brought by the 2018 mining code and investments moving into production phases, governors have far more means, but nothing is being done. If we ask where the money goes, the answer is simple: everyone comes to take their share in Lubumbashi and Kolwezi. National ministers regularly visit our provinces just to collect their envelope.” And he points particularly at the national Defense Minister or Interior Minister who “rushed here upon their appointments. They don’t come for sightseeing or to encourage us; they come to take their cut.”

RDC: Kabila – Katumbi meet over “risks of power drifts in Congo”

The new mining code stipulated that revenues exceeding a billion dollars since 2018 in Lualaba should be pre-allocated to community infrastructure projects. “But the new government quickly issued a decree to circumvent this obligation. Now, these revenues go into a common account of the governorate, creating ambiguity about where the funds are going, which rarely serve Katangan interests,” continues one of our experts, highlighting “the Excellence Fund. A structure financed by funds from Haut-Katanga and Lualaba and managed by the wife of the President. The goal of this fund is certainly commendable, but it is a private initiative drawing from our provincial treasuries. There’s also the famous National Fund for Reparations to Victims of Sexual Violence (Fonarev), whose sole purpose is to divert 11% of mining royalties. It too is managed by the Belgian wife of the Congolese Head of State.”

$320 billion!

While the use of these revenues raises questions, experts emphasize what they call the “illegal seizure of numerous Gécamines tailings and others.”

“Tailings are deposits of extracted minerals classified according to their copper and cobalt content and stored for future use,” explains one of them.
These tailings often accumulated around mines. They usually contained lower-grade ores which, today, thanks to technological advancements, hold real treasures. “Gécamines has an accurate cadastre of these tailings and their copper and cobalt content. The big advantage of these tailings is that no further exploration or excavation work is needed; you just load the ore onto trucks and bring it to a plant for processing. It’s very easy money,” he explains further, armed with a table listing all these tailings and waste rocks along with staggering figures. Tailings pile 401, for example, contains 90 million tons of copper ore. Pile 611 shows 71 million tons. The price per ton of copper, steadily rising for years, is now nearing $9,000. “Do the math, these are unimaginable numbers. With current techniques, experts at Gécamines estimate that these tailings and waste rocks can produce 298 million tons of copper metal and over 1.9 million tons of cobalt. At current rates, the total value of these assets could reach $320 billion currently under threat of looting by the Tshisekedi family.”

RDC: Tshisekedi’s Congo sinks deeper into security and political crisis

Indeed, according to several organizations of Katangan civil society, numerous tailings are now being exploited illegally by members and associates of the presidential family, often in collaboration with Chinese intermediaries. A list of these illegally seized tailings has been compiled by these Katangan NGOs. “The Katangans are tired of this situation; they are starting to speak out, disseminating evidence of the actions of members of the presidential family, some generals, and certain ministers. These individuals can count on the support of the Republican Guard (GR), an elite unit that reports directly to the President. Today, these GRs are present on many mining sites. They first evicted previous occupants and now ensure security so that the theft of our riches can proceed peacefully,” recounts one expert. “Sometimes, these Chinese, Lebanese, or Indians just need to make a phone call to General Christian Ndaywell (of Belgian nationality) or someone close to the president. They put down a sum, minimum $20 million, and they get the right to exploit a tailing worth at least ten times that amount. It just takes a phone call and a large briefcase of cash. It’s the wild west. An absolute state of lawlessness, to the point that some people don’t hesitate to extract uranium-rich ores, as profitable as they are dangerous. Several organizations have raised the alarm. Uranium is mined at night for Chinese clients; some even mention North Koreans operating from Zambia on the other side of the border with Katanga,” continues one of our interlocutors.
An accurate cadastre of these tailings and their contents was made about twenty years ago. “So, when the time comes, it will be possible to tally what has been stolen by these people,” assures one of our interlocutors, document in hand. “In addition to the tailings, this family has monopolized almost all subcontracting activities, generating annual revenue of $10 billion. Their newly created companies are the only ones recommended by Miguel Katemb, the general director of ARSP, the president’s man who awards them parts of the subcontracting market at the expense of locals.”

Self-determination

By exploiting the tailings, “war chests” of Gécamines (even though some private companies are also affected by this scourge), the perpetrators of this fraud are pushing the state-owned enterprise, which still employs 9,000 people, toward the abyss. “Everything is being done to dismantle Gécamines. Geological studies have shown that there are also copper reserves in the Kasaï soil, but it apparently doesn’t interest Kinshasa. The current power seems intent on bringing Katanga to its knees. So, why remain united if this union costs us so dearly,” continues an expert who quietly mentions a desire for self-determination. “Katanga receives nothing in exchange for this plunder. Lualaba has no roads, no hospitals, no infrastructure, and yet we are the province that still sustains the State while enriching the presidential clan.” Some structures of Katanga civil society no longer hide that they are “closely monitoring” the progress of antigovernment troops further north. “Corneille Nangaa, the boss of AFC/M23 talks about setting up a federal state,” explains a member of the Lualaba civil society, particularly upset about the illegal over-exploitation of his province’s riches. “These mines are exhaustible. We cannot accept this plunder that jeopardizes the future of our children for the benefit of a single family. In the not-so-distant future, if we don’t stop this nightmare, Lualaba will be nothing more than a huge polluted hole. Meanwhile, those who pillage us today will live in palaces and travel in private jets. These people, who still hold Belgian nationality, lived in precarious conditions or on social assistance back home. In less than seven years, they’ve built colossal fortunes by plundering our resources.”

Complaint soon to be filed in Belgium

Facing this plunder, Gécamines unionists and members of civil society have contacted Me Bernard Maingain, a lawyer at the Brussels Bar. “I am indeed involved in filing a complaint regarding predations in the mining sector in DRC,” he explains; “My clients complain about predations carried out by various economic operators, primarily Chinese, but also members of the immediate family of President Félix Tshisekedi.”

New complaint in Belgium against General Ndaywell. A minister in the Tshisekedi government is also targeted

As part of this complaint, the Brussels law firm is collaborating with a coalition of Congolese lawyers in formation. “We plan to file complaints both in DRC and in Belgium, given that the concerned family members also hold Belgian nationality.”

“Based on the information I have, the amounts involved are colossal. These are offenses of corruption, embezzlement, and money laundering. We obviously stress the presumption of innocence,” Maingain continues, emphasizing the “social consequences of these criminal practices, tragic for the workers in the Katanga mining sector. We’re talking about wage cuts, dismissals of accident victims, and non-compliance with collective agreements in this industry. In fact, the only ones who gain nothing from what can be presented as a plundering are the workers and their families. I’m also surprised that this disastrous human situation escapes the radar of certain personalities who claim to be progressive in Belgium.”

EDITOR: This article a full translation from what was originally in French, published by La Libre, Belgium.


Maybe this article helps to understand Felix actions a little.
 
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DR Congo: The Tshisekedi Family is Looting Katanga Dry​

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Katanga is nothing but a huge mining pit

Miners denounce the systematic looting of their province’s vast resources.
After several weeks of negotiations, a meeting was arranged. Several members of Katangan civil society, labor unions, and mining cooperatives agreed to testify in a secret location. They denounce the plundering that their provinces are subjected to, primarily Haut-Katanga (Lubumbashi) and Lualaba (Kolwezi), which were split from the larger Grand Katanga region in 2015.

Speaking out is dangerous in this country. “There’s a real crackdown led by the military and security agents, mostly from Kasai, against those who break the silence,” explains one of our sources, adding: “It must be said that illegal mining brings colossal sums to the presidential family and unscrupulous entrepreneurs.”

“Enough is enough,” says a leader of a mining cooperative in Lualaba, whose artisanal mining zone (ZEA) was seized by Christian Tshisekedi, described as the most present member of the presidential family in this province.

“Since 2019, things have significantly worsened. Katanga has become the cash cow for the presidential family, which siphons off the wealth of our provinces, especially Lualaba, but invests nothing,” explains one of our interlocutors.

According to the new mining code, more money should have gone into provincial coffers. “But almost nothing has been done, while the presidential clan, with its many frontmen and partners, mainly Chinese but also Lebanese or Indian, pockets tens of millions of dollars each month by pillaging tailings and waste rock that mostly belong to Gécamines (the successor to the Union Minière du Haut Katanga, a company that is 100% owned by the Congolese state) and private companies like ERG, a partner of Gécamines,” he continues.

Unwelcome largesse

“Under Governor Katumbi, copper production was lower, international market prices were less favorable, and there was less cross-border trade, yet investments were numerous,” asserts a Gécamines unionist. “Today, with the advantages brought by the 2018 mining code and investments moving into production phases, governors have far more means, but nothing is being done. If we ask where the money goes, the answer is simple: everyone comes to take their share in Lubumbashi and Kolwezi. National ministers regularly visit our provinces just to collect their envelope.” And he points particularly at the national Defense Minister or Interior Minister who “rushed here upon their appointments. They don’t come for sightseeing or to encourage us; they come to take their cut.”

RDC: Kabila – Katumbi meet over “risks of power drifts in Congo”

The new mining code stipulated that revenues exceeding a billion dollars since 2018 in Lualaba should be pre-allocated to community infrastructure projects. “But the new government quickly issued a decree to circumvent this obligation. Now, these revenues go into a common account of the governorate, creating ambiguity about where the funds are going, which rarely serve Katangan interests,” continues one of our experts, highlighting “the Excellence Fund. A structure financed by funds from Haut-Katanga and Lualaba and managed by the wife of the President. The goal of this fund is certainly commendable, but it is a private initiative drawing from our provincial treasuries. There’s also the famous National Fund for Reparations to Victims of Sexual Violence (Fonarev), whose sole purpose is to divert 11% of mining royalties. It too is managed by the Belgian wife of the Congolese Head of State.”

$320 billion!

While the use of these revenues raises questions, experts emphasize what they call the “illegal seizure of numerous Gécamines tailings and others.”

“Tailings are deposits of extracted minerals classified according to their copper and cobalt content and stored for future use,” explains one of them.
These tailings often accumulated around mines. They usually contained lower-grade ores which, today, thanks to technological advancements, hold real treasures. “Gécamines has an accurate cadastre of these tailings and their copper and cobalt content. The big advantage of these tailings is that no further exploration or excavation work is needed; you just load the ore onto trucks and bring it to a plant for processing. It’s very easy money,” he explains further, armed with a table listing all these tailings and waste rocks along with staggering figures. Tailings pile 401, for example, contains 90 million tons of copper ore. Pile 611 shows 71 million tons. The price per ton of copper, steadily rising for years, is now nearing $9,000. “Do the math, these are unimaginable numbers. With current techniques, experts at Gécamines estimate that these tailings and waste rocks can produce 298 million tons of copper metal and over 1.9 million tons of cobalt. At current rates, the total value of these assets could reach $320 billion currently under threat of looting by the Tshisekedi family.”

RDC: Tshisekedi’s Congo sinks deeper into security and political crisis

Indeed, according to several organizations of Katangan civil society, numerous tailings are now being exploited illegally by members and associates of the presidential family, often in collaboration with Chinese intermediaries. A list of these illegally seized tailings has been compiled by these Katangan NGOs. “The Katangans are tired of this situation; they are starting to speak out, disseminating evidence of the actions of members of the presidential family, some generals, and certain ministers. These individuals can count on the support of the Republican Guard (GR), an elite unit that reports directly to the President. Today, these GRs are present on many mining sites. They first evicted previous occupants and now ensure security so that the theft of our riches can proceed peacefully,” recounts one expert. “Sometimes, these Chinese, Lebanese, or Indians just need to make a phone call to General Christian Ndaywell (of Belgian nationality) or someone close to the president. They put down a sum, minimum $20 million, and they get the right to exploit a tailing worth at least ten times that amount. It just takes a phone call and a large briefcase of cash. It’s the wild west. An absolute state of lawlessness, to the point that some people don’t hesitate to extract uranium-rich ores, as profitable as they are dangerous. Several organizations have raised the alarm. Uranium is mined at night for Chinese clients; some even mention North Koreans operating from Zambia on the other side of the border with Katanga,” continues one of our interlocutors.
An accurate cadastre of these tailings and their contents was made about twenty years ago. “So, when the time comes, it will be possible to tally what has been stolen by these people,” assures one of our interlocutors, document in hand. “In addition to the tailings, this family has monopolized almost all subcontracting activities, generating annual revenue of $10 billion. Their newly created companies are the only ones recommended by Miguel Katemb, the general director of ARSP, the president’s man who awards them parts of the subcontracting market at the expense of locals.”

Self-determination

By exploiting the tailings, “war chests” of Gécamines (even though some private companies are also affected by this scourge), the perpetrators of this fraud are pushing the state-owned enterprise, which still employs 9,000 people, toward the abyss. “Everything is being done to dismantle Gécamines. Geological studies have shown that there are also copper reserves in the Kasaï soil, but it apparently doesn’t interest Kinshasa. The current power seems intent on bringing Katanga to its knees. So, why remain united if this union costs us so dearly,” continues an expert who quietly mentions a desire for self-determination. “Katanga receives nothing in exchange for this plunder. Lualaba has no roads, no hospitals, no infrastructure, and yet we are the province that still sustains the State while enriching the presidential clan.” Some structures of Katanga civil society no longer hide that they are “closely monitoring” the progress of antigovernment troops further north. “Corneille Nangaa, the boss of AFC/M23 talks about setting up a federal state,” explains a member of the Lualaba civil society, particularly upset about the illegal over-exploitation of his province’s riches. “These mines are exhaustible. We cannot accept this plunder that jeopardizes the future of our children for the benefit of a single family. In the not-so-distant future, if we don’t stop this nightmare, Lualaba will be nothing more than a huge polluted hole. Meanwhile, those who pillage us today will live in palaces and travel in private jets. These people, who still hold Belgian nationality, lived in precarious conditions or on social assistance back home. In less than seven years, they’ve built colossal fortunes by plundering our resources.”

Complaint soon to be filed in Belgium

Facing this plunder, Gécamines unionists and members of civil society have contacted Me Bernard Maingain, a lawyer at the Brussels Bar. “I am indeed involved in filing a complaint regarding predations in the mining sector in DRC,” he explains; “My clients complain about predations carried out by various economic operators, primarily Chinese, but also members of the immediate family of President Félix Tshisekedi.”

New complaint in Belgium against General Ndaywell. A minister in the Tshisekedi government is also targeted

As part of this complaint, the Brussels law firm is collaborating with a coalition of Congolese lawyers in formation. “We plan to file complaints both in DRC and in Belgium, given that the concerned family members also hold Belgian nationality.”

“Based on the information I have, the amounts involved are colossal. These are offenses of corruption, embezzlement, and money laundering. We obviously stress the presumption of innocence,” Maingain continues, emphasizing the “social consequences of these criminal practices, tragic for the workers in the Katanga mining sector. We’re talking about wage cuts, dismissals of accident victims, and non-compliance with collective agreements in this industry. In fact, the only ones who gain nothing from what can be presented as a plundering are the workers and their families. I’m also surprised that this disastrous human situation escapes the radar of certain personalities who claim to be progressive in Belgium.”

EDITOR: This article a full translation from what was originally in French, published by La Libre, Belgium.


Maybe this article helps to understand Felix actions a little.
Karma is finally circling , Felix feeling the heat.

the narrative is certainly changing , AVZ finally gaing some traction.

April could be a telling month...

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It's a shame though, CDL plus more unexplored pegmatites are in the north section which likely rival RD apart from the higher mica issue, but I still reckon it's a huge loss
 
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Oh NOOOO, please don't start that shit again
 
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I wonder if AVZ will get Mpiana Mwanga back in the deal. If not, how that will affect the price. That power plant was key for energy production, going to have to pay for energy or cart in diesel making it more expensive to produce and/or bigger carbon footprint
Mpiana Mwanga is a package deal mate, AVZ have the rights, no deals will be entertained without it.
 
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Ease up mate. SuperNinja never said which Easter...
 
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https://techcrunch.com/2023/08/16/t...t-can-add-up-to-400km-of-range-in-10-minutes/

CATL, the Chinese battery giant and a major supplier to Tesla, has unveiled its latest product that aims to solve electric vehicles’ charging and range limitations. The battery, dubbed Shenxing or “god-like movement,” is able to refuel up to 400 kilometers (250 miles) of range in 10 minutes, Gao Han, chief technology officer of CATL’s e-car division, said at a launch briefing on Wednesday.

That means vehicles powered by Shenxing can drive from New York to Boston (about 215 miles) after just 10 minutes of fast charging. Mass production of the battery is expected to be underway by the end of 2023, with shipping to begin in 2024.



Shenxing claims to be “the world’s first 4C superfast charging LFP battery. “LFP stands for lithium iron phosphate, a type of battery chemistry that Tesla widely adapted in 2021 for its shorter-range cars in place of nickel-cobalt-aluminum.

China is a big proponent of LFP, a technology spearheaded by its renewable energy darling CATL, which topped the global EV battery market with a 35% share in Q1, according to research firm SNE. This type of battery is known for its cheap prices and chemical stability, though it has a lower energy density than other battery chemistries, which is a drag on EVs’ range.

CATL’s extraordinary growth has been buoyed by an EV boom in China over the last few years. But the EV industry is decelerating as government subsidies shrink and consumption contracts amid a post-COVID economic downturn. Meanwhile, the Fujian-based battery manufacturers face heated competition from BYD, the Chinese EV giant that also makes its own battery. In Q1, BYD trailed CATL in second place with a 16.2% share of the global EV battery market.
This whole time i've been wondering how the US could be involved if CATH ended up with all of the product/offtake anyway, I wouldn't have thought the US would just be happy enough to transport the product via the Lobito Corridor. You'd also imagine the Chinese would not accept (or if they had no choice, would not be happy) to lose complete ownership & product from Manono.

I believe CATL don't currently have a battery manufacturing facility in the U.S but you're right in that they supply Tesla.

Surely the best outcome for all involved right now would be that the US buyout AVZ's ownership of Manono & then part of the agreement would be that the product ends up back in the US and that CATL build a battery manufacturing facility in the US, creating US jobs and keeping the supply chain domestic to the US. Makes a lot of sense really and follows the America First & Domestic manufacturing mission that the Trump Administration is pushing.

Either way, if the US are trying to strong-arm China/CATL and take over the entire project, you'd imagine a fire would be lit under CATH's ass right now in damage control mode trying to do everything they can to maintain their JV stake & offtake. A very good position for AVZ to be in right now. In @geo_au we trust!!
 
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This whole time i've been wondering how the US could be involved if CATH ended up with all of the product/offtake anyway, I wouldn't have thought the US would just be happy enough to transport the product via the Lobito Corridor. You'd also imagine the Chinese would not accept (or if they had no choice, would not be happy) to lose complete ownership & product from Manono.

I believe CATL don't currently have a battery manufacturing facility in the U.S but you're right in that they supply Tesla.

Surely the best outcome for all involved right now would be that the US buyout AVZ's ownership of Manono & then part of the agreement would be that the product ends up back in the US and that CATL build a battery manufacturing facility in the US, creating US jobs and keeping the supply chain domestic to the US. Makes a lot of sense really and follows the America First & Domestic manufacturing mission that the Trump Administration is pushing.

Either way, if the US are trying to strong-arm China/CATL and take over the entire project, you'd imagine a fire would be lit under CATH's ass right now in damage control mode trying to do everything they can to maintain their JV stake & offtake. A very good position for AVZ to be in right now. In @geo_au we trust!!
Love it mate. Hopefully this is exactly the move in play.
 
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I fully expect Chinese to come to party with a very good deal to get this settled before any great traction on US/DRC deals. Anywhere north of $2.50 and I might take notice. If they offer some pathetic 1 buck fuck em. Yes I might be a tad optimistic.

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Can anyone shed some light on how breaking the CATH deal would play out?
 
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Can anyone shed some light on how breaking the CATH deal would play out?
Thats the US6.2b question

But it should only cost 20m

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My Understanding. - Under the ownership arrangements if AVZ(or subsidiary) were sold, CATH would be paid out their percentage of ownership. No more off-takes etc to worry about as no ownership of the resource!
Edit: but the $20mill sound like a better deal to me!
 
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Can anyone shed some light on how breaking the CATH deal would play out?
The CATH deal is 2 fold.
1 offtake agreement
2 partnership in a hydroxide plant
BUT only if ÀVZ are the owners of the mining licence and proceed to mine.
If AVZ decide to sell the project before shovel hit the dirt would depend on the fine print in the contracts drawn between CATH and DATHCOM when the mining licence is obtained .
IF no exclusion to sell project before mining commences then would assume CATH will need to deal with new owner.
 
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