AVZ Discussion 2022
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Look its like being in a storm ,we will need to hang in there and hope it goes pass, or CATH can come up with a M L...imo
I wouldn’t be surprised if Nigel tries to convince us in the next few weeks that continuing the ICSID process is "not in shareholders' best interest."
Wording such as "Locke has solidified the validity of our legal claims, and CATH fully supports the pursuit of these claims until the mining license is reinstated", would make it very clear, but no, not a word on litigation.
Anyway we'll find out soon enough, let's hope Nigel gets it right..!
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BRICK
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really?
PutUsernameHere
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No, investment in an unlisted company is treated the same as a listed one. Owning for 12+ months means a 50% discount on any gains. Just need to worry about having the gains to actually be taxed on them
All depends on whether we take a buyout at some point or go mining. That decision doesn't need to be made until we know wtf is happening with the ML anyway. It's a future problem. Let's get our ownership sorted haha.
Xerof
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TheCount
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Frank
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*Just a quick follow up on Dhuboy's post re: Norton / Zijin story for anyone interested,Aussie junior Minerals 260 to buy gold project from Zijin
Junior explorer Minerals 260 has announced it will acquire the Bullabulling gold project in Western Australia from Chinese diversified major Zijin Miningin a A$166.5 million ($103 million) cash and shares deal.
Minerals 260, which had A$9.9 million in cash as of September and a market capitalization of A$30 million, plans to fund the purchase through an equity raising managed by Bell Potter Securities and Argonaut. It said that further details would be announced soon.
The company was a spin-off of Australia’s newest lithium producer, Liontown Resources, and listed on the ASX in late 2021 following a A$30 million initial public offering. Minerals 260 is chaired by well-known Australian prospector and entrepreneur Tim Goyder, who also chairs Liontown.
Goyder called the acquisition a transformational opportunity in a record-high Australian gold price environment.
“We believe that this opportunity, or this project, will deliver for us, and there’s no reason why we can’t build a substantial company,” he said during a conference call on Tuesday.
Bullabulling, located 65km southwest of Kalgoorlie, was discovered in the 1960s and produced 179,000 ounces of gold under Resolute Mining before it was placed on care and maintenance in 1998. Zijin acquired it in 2014 for A$25 million through its subsidiary Norton Gold Fields.
The project holds a resource of 60 million tonnes at 1.2 grams per tonne gold, totaling 2.3 million ounces.
“We’ve done the deepest due diligence of my career to ensure the resource stacks up,” Minerals 260 managing director Luke McFadyen, formerly of OZ Minerals, said.
The project benefits from proximity to infrastructure, including power, water, and the Great Eastern Highway, along with established mining leases and a Native Title Land Use Agreement.
McFadyen noted the acquisition would position Minerals 260 for rapid growth in the gold sector, leveraging Bullabulling’s potential amid favourable market conditions.
Aggressive development plan
Minerals 260 plans to fast-track development, capitalizing on current gold prices exceeding A$4,000/oz. The company aims to launch 80,000m of drilling to complement the 530,000m previously completed and will focus on underexplored southern areas.Studies are set to commence by September 2025, with a goal to define a maiden reserve in the north, where 89% of ounces are in the indicated category.
“You won’t see us go slow on this. This is going to be accelerated all the way,” McFadyen noted. He added the project doesn’t require A$4,200/oz gold to be profitable, as pit shells were calculated at A$3,000/oz.
mining.com
*In other News i see where Julian has grown some balls and come out with this statement re:- China
Congo courts Saudi mining investors to help curb China dominance
The Democratic Republic of Congo, the world’s top cobalt supplier, is courting new mining investors from Saudi Arabia to help it diversify and curb overreliance on companies from China, Marcellin Paluku, a senior government official, told Reuters.
Congo, which is also rich in copper and other critical minerals, wants more partnerships with the new investors to limit the risk of relying solely on Chinese investors, Paluku, who is a deputy cabinet director in the ministry of mines, said.
Chinese companies, some of which are state-backed, have over the past years emerged as the biggest investors in Congo, ramping up investment and production for copper and cobalt.
CMOC Group is now the world’s biggest cobalt miner as it boosts output at Tenke Fungurume mine it bought from US-based Freeport-McMoRan in 2016.
Paluku said Chinese investors’ dominant role in the sector now presents a “risk” to the country’s economy.
“Today, 80% of our mines, it’s with one partner (China).
So it’s a risk,” Paluku told Reuters in an interview on the sidelines of a mining conference in Riyadh.
“You never know what can happen…So that means we are now trying to diversify our partnerships so we don’t rely on only one partner.”
Congo is also courting investors from the European Union and India, Paluku said.
The country is seeking to move away from current joint ventures which are heavily skewed in favour of investors, he added.
“We are talking to all the people who are open to do business with us,” Paluku said.
mining.com
Think we have a few posters who are fast on the trigger. Unfortunate as I’ve posted in the past but never had those issues until last few days.
Maybe it’s got to do with smooth brains thinking im part of the detractors. Laughable. I got my retirement locked up in this and AVZ coming out on top is the difference of me working the next 40 years or not.
I’m happy to meet with anyone around Good Coast to confirm I’m not one of those ugly puppets.
Hodlandwin69
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Eventually if you keep posting reasonable things you'll get accepted eventually. It's just part of some hazing process for any new posters.
If ICSID fees are not paid these are the RULES ,we know they are suspended at this moment..!
Has anyone heard have they been paid by AVZ ..!!?????????
If the amounts requested are not paid in full within 30 days of a request, the Secretary-General informs both parties of the default and gives either of them an opportunity to make the outstanding payment (Administrative and Financial Regulation 16(2)(a)).
If any part of the required payment remains outstanding 15 days after notice of default is given, the Secretary-General may suspend the proceeding until payment is made, after giving notice to the parties and the Tribunal (Administrative and Financial Regulation 16(2)(b)).
If any proceeding is stayed for non-payment for more than 90 consecutive days, the Secretary-General may discontinue the proceeding, after giving notice to the parties and the Tribunal (Administrative and Financial Regulation 16(2)(b)).
Has anyone heard have they been paid by AVZ ..!!?????????
If the amounts requested are not paid in full within 30 days of a request, the Secretary-General informs both parties of the default and gives either of them an opportunity to make the outstanding payment (Administrative and Financial Regulation 16(2)(a)).
If any part of the required payment remains outstanding 15 days after notice of default is given, the Secretary-General may suspend the proceeding until payment is made, after giving notice to the parties and the Tribunal (Administrative and Financial Regulation 16(2)(b)).
If any proceeding is stayed for non-payment for more than 90 consecutive days, the Secretary-General may discontinue the proceeding, after giving notice to the parties and the Tribunal (Administrative and Financial Regulation 16(2)(b)).
Carlos Danger
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Absolutely, everyone should talk to their accountant regarding this matter rather than listening to randoms online
However I do have an accounting degree and know how to read the Income Tax Assessment Act 1936
A capital gain occurs when the proceeds from the disposal of an asset exceed the cost base
A special dividend will be treated as a dividend for tax purposes and this distribution method does not dispose of the asset for the shareholder therefore no capital gain
It is possible they could achieve some sort of capital event by offering to swap shares with the buyer but that would be extremely unlikely imo
If management wind up the company after paying a special dividend then we would be able to claim a capital loss on cost base value against current or future capital gains imo
I don’t have an accounting degree but AVZ could be sold for an agreed price that does no involve a special dividend, therefore it would be a straight capital gain and would attract the 12 month rule.
Carlos Danger
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Yes that is possible but it is far more likely that we would sell our holdings in Dathcom or GLH (Nigel has mentioned in the past that this would be the method of disposal) therefore the need for a special dividend imo
Carlos Danger
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The benefit of not selling AVZ completely is that the company can continue
Nigel once said ‘we can find another Manono’
If we all get paid around $2ish and the company retains some capital plus acquires a new asset in a more regular jurisdiction leaving shareholders with the option to crystalise capital gains / losses on relisting or continue to hold and go again that would be an amazing outcome imo
Ashlee
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I hope they relist and allow shareholders to choose if they wish to sell or hold depending on their situation.
Fair call, we have a few bridges to cross before we get to any tax implication.
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