AVZ Discussion 2022

[tonster66]

A bit more than china!

DRC: UK announces new humanitarian aid programme focused on urgent needs in eastern DRC

RDC: le Royaume-uni annonce un nouveau programme d’aide humanitaire axé sur les besoins urgents dans l’Est du pays

Le Royaume-uni lance nouveau programme humanitaire britannique, d'une valeur de 26 millions de dollars cette année. La nouvelle initiative se concentrera sur les besoins urgents dans l'est de la République démocratique du Congo (RDC).

actualite.cd

 

[Remark]

I'm thinking this could definitely be a growth industry.

https://www.made-in-china.com/manufacturers/paper-bag.html

 

[wombat74]

"I have never been less confident of a decent outcome for AVZ than after reading all the material about FT's visit to the great corruptors.."

Same here, I've pretty much written off my investment in AVZ. I used to be an optimist, now full of suspicion & cynicism.

FT appears weak & only concerned with his own re-election. "Show me proof of corruption & I will act" - someone give Felix a mirror.

The frustration in this whole saga is not knowing either way . If we are out then so be it . We can move on before the AVZ Team spend every last penny of our money wandering around in the DRC wilderness blowing smoke up the Share Holder's arse with fairytales of righteousness and determination as the company nose dives into oblivion . If Felix wont touch this before the election it means he's going to f--k us after the election . IMO

 

[Flight996]

Those shareholders who have lost faith can take one last action if you want. It wouldn't be hard. As I've stated time and time again, THE DRC MINING WEEK EVENT sponsored by THE VUKA GROUP is taking place in a little over two weeks. They are advertising the event on Facebook, YouTube, Twitter and LinkedIn.

View attachment 37449

All you have to do to create an account on these platforms is create an email address and post a simple message which is honest and respectful and later links could be added regarding quotes from the IGF and other info

All terminology used below is legally applicable and the simple message could read as follows....

Read the AVZ story before you invest in the DRC Mining Sector. Australian mining company AVZ Minerals spent 6 years and millions of dollars developing the Manono Lithium Project, only to have it's Mining License and ownership taken away by the fraudulent and illegal actions of DRC state owned Cominiere and Chinese mining company Zijin Mining.

Read the report by Jules Alingete (the DRC Inspector General of Finance) on how Cominiere embezzled the Manono project to Zijin by illegally selling shares valued at $150 million for $33 million, including payments which are unable to be traced.

AVZ Minerals followed the DRC Mining Code, satisfied all approvals including Environmental Approval; Proof of Financial Capability; Favourable Cadastral Opinion; and Favourable Technical Opinion of the DFS. The Ministerial Decree to award the Mining License was granted in May last year, but due to the Corruption by Cominiere and Zijin, outlined in the Inspector General of Finance's Report, the Mining License has been denied and AVZ Minerals has been removed from the tenement site on the CAMI Portal.

Chinese mining company Zijin and Cominiere's corrupt actions are ongoing and more than a year after this fraud has taken place AVZ Minerals is awaiting arbitration in the ICC due this July.


@TDITD @The Fox @Sparrowhawk12 @Frank and anyone else on Twitter or the above platforms can make a difference by simply posting the above comments

That's pretty well written MB.

I like that it's factual and unemotive (I think that's a word).

Good work.

Cheers

 

[Remark]

Those shareholders who have lost faith can take one last action if you want. It wouldn't be hard. As I've stated time and time again, THE DRC MINING WEEK EVENT sponsored by THE VUKA GROUP is taking place in a little over two weeks. They are advertising the event on Facebook, YouTube, Twitter and LinkedIn.

View attachment 37449

All you have to do to create an account on these platforms is create an email address and post a simple message which is honest and respectful and later links could be added regarding quotes from the IGF and other info

All terminology used below is legally applicable and the simple message could read as follows....

Read the AVZ story before you invest in the DRC Mining Sector. Australian mining company AVZ Minerals spent 6 years and millions of dollars developing the Manono Lithium Project, only to have it's Mining License and ownership taken away by the fraudulent and illegal actions of DRC state owned Cominiere and Chinese mining company Zijin Mining.

Read the report by Jules Alingete (the DRC Inspector General of Finance) on how Cominiere embezzled the Manono project to Zijin by illegally selling shares valued at $150 million for $33 million, including payments which are unable to be traced.

AVZ Minerals followed the DRC Mining Code, satisfied all approvals including Environmental Approval; Proof of Financial Capability; Favourable Cadastral Opinion; and Favourable Technical Opinion of the DFS. The Ministerial Decree to award the Mining License was granted in May last year, but due to the Corruption by Cominiere and Zijin, outlined in the Inspector General of Finance's Report, the Mining License has been denied and AVZ Minerals has been removed from the tenement site on the CAMI Portal.

Chinese mining company Zijin and Cominiere's corrupt actions are ongoing and more than a year after this fraud has taken place AVZ Minerals is awaiting arbitration in the ICC due this July.


@TDITD @The Fox @Sparrowhawk12 @Frank and anyone else on Twitter or the above platforms can make a difference by simply posting the above comments

Great post MB

Let the Twitter pigeons loose everybody!

 

[Flight996]

Great post MB

Let the Twitter pigeons loose everybody!

I used Vuka group's email service to send a short message as follows:

(Note my focus on potential reputational damage)

The purpose of this email is to alert you, as event program managers to the corrupt activities of Zijin Mining group (including its subsidiary Jin Cheng Mining) and DRC officials in the Democratic Republic of Congo surrounding the Manono lithium project.
AVZ Minerals (ASX: AVZ) is the legally rightful owner of 75% of this project, but Zijin Mining and various DRC officials are systematically attempting to steal the project through graft, corruption and forgery.
Before you invite DRC ministers and representatives of Zijin or Jin Cheng Mining to your international events, it may be worthwhile doing some due diligence around their corrupt activities. Having them at any of your events could cause your company reputational damage and potential exposure to future legal actions.

Regards
XX

 

[JasonM]

I sure could do with some hope, preferably where this gets resolved shortly, anybody got any?

 

[mouseflying]

The frustration in this whole saga is not knowing either way . If we are out then so be it . We can move on before the AVZ Team spend every last penny of our money wandering around in the DRC wilderness blowing smoke up the Share Holder's arse with fairytales of righteousness and determination as the company nose dives into oblivion . If Felix wont touch this before the election it means he's going to f--k us after the election . IMO

Politics is a game of balance, Now i guess felix is balancing all the aspect for his election,

China is a very important political, business, and strategic partner for DRC, and no matter how bad they are, he still need to keep them.
If he kicks China out now,
he might lose his election campaign,
trade volume will drop dramatically in the short term, and it will affect his reputation for presidential election as well.
China has been in Africa for decades and has too much influence over their ministers and citizens. he need to avoid to do that now.

At the same time, Felix need new partners , such as Westerners, Australians, Koreans, Japanese, etc., that's the reason why he travel around the world to attract new investment. i guess he is now consolidate what they already have, then seek for new and better investors to create a better future for the DRC.

So I think felix will follow the ICC's results and act accordingly, to aviod to offend China.
China has never said they support corruption, so the ICC's decision will make it easier for felix to explain to the Chinese side.

and Following the ICC will also make new investors feel safe to invest in DRC.

Of course the above is all my speculation ....

 

[Li-AusPol]

@asx_bots

has linked this entire TSE thread on twitter

Tagged DRC gov and FT so they can see the entire conversation history on twitter now

 

[wombat74]

Politics is a game of balance, Now i guess felix is balancing all the aspect for his election,

China is a very important political, business, and strategic partner for DRC, and no matter how bad they are, he still need to keep them.
If he kicks China out now,
he might lose his election campaign,
trade volume will drop dramatically in the short term, and it will affect his reputation for presidential election as well.
China has been in Africa for decades and has too much influence over their ministers and citizens. he need to avoid to do that now.

At the same time, Felix need new partners , such as Westerners, Australians, Koreans, Japanese, etc., that's the reason why he travel around the world to attract new investment. i guess he is now consolidate what they already have, then seek for new and better investors to create a better future for the DRC.

So I think felix will follow the ICC's results and act accordingly, to aviod to offend China.
China has never said they support corruption, so the ICC's decision will make it easier for felix to explain to the Chinese side.

and Following the ICC will also make new investors feel safe to invest in DRC.

Of course the above is all my speculation ....

Also Felix could be gone in 6 months . The ICC delay shows how China are playing this (no surprises ) . Wait for ICC July . That's not going to happen either . I'll go out on a limb and say there will be no ICC hearings before the election . What's Nigel's response ?

 

[mouseflying]

Also Felix could be gone in 6 months . The ICC delay shows how China are playing this (no surprises ) . Wait for ICC July . That's not going to happen either . I'll go out on a limb and say there will be no ICC hearings before the election . What's Nigel's response ?

Nigel style of response....
......close, soon, imminent, champagne on ice

 

[Pokok]

Those shareholders who have lost faith can take one last action if you want. It wouldn't be hard. As I've stated time and time again, THE DRC MINING WEEK EVENT sponsored by THE VUKA GROUP is taking place in a little over two weeks. They are advertising the event on Facebook, YouTube, Twitter and LinkedIn.

View attachment 37449

All you have to do to create an account on these platforms is create an email address and post a simple message which is honest and respectful and later links could be added regarding quotes from the IGF and other info

All terminology used below is legally applicable and the simple message could read as follows....

Read the AVZ story before you invest in the DRC Mining Sector. Australian mining company AVZ Minerals spent 6 years and millions of dollars developing the Manono Lithium Project, only to have it's Mining License and ownership taken away by the fraudulent and illegal actions of DRC state owned Cominiere and Chinese mining company Zijin Mining.

Read the report by Jules Alingete (the DRC Inspector General of Finance) on how Cominiere embezzled the Manono project to Zijin by illegally selling shares valued at $150 million for $33 million, including payments which are unable to be traced.

AVZ Minerals followed the DRC Mining Code, satisfied all approvals including Environmental Approval; Proof of Financial Capability; Favourable Cadastral Opinion; and Favourable Technical Opinion of the DFS. The Ministerial Decree to award the Mining License was granted in May last year, but due to the Corruption by Cominiere and Zijin, outlined in the Inspector General of Finance's Report, the Mining License has been denied and AVZ Minerals has been removed from the tenement site on the CAMI Portal.

Chinese mining company Zijin and Cominiere's corrupt actions are ongoing and more than a year after this fraud has taken place AVZ Minerals is awaiting arbitration in the ICC due this July.


@TDITD @The Fox @Sparrowhawk12 @Frank and anyone else on Twitter or the above platforms can make a difference by simply posting the above comments

Great post , I hope you are still holding LLL at least it has put a smile on our faces last 2 weeks but its value as of today imagine how much AVZ would be worth ,, very frustrating

 

[Pokok]

The frustration in this whole saga is not knowing either way . If we are out then so be it . We can move on before the AVZ Team spend every last penny of our money wandering around in the DRC wilderness blowing smoke up the Share Holder's arse with fairytales of righteousness and determination as the company nose dives into oblivion . If Felix wont touch this before the election it means he's going to f--k us after the election . IMO

Who said he would get RE elected if he hurts the population of the DRC moving forward , he would not be trusted to run the country

 

[Winenut]

@asx_bots

has linked this entire TSE thread on twitter

Tagged DRC gov and FT so they can see the entire conversation history on twitter now

I wonder if they'll take the time out to have a really good read of TSE on Twitter in their spare time

I guess as a bonus if they can't sleep they can pop over to the 2023 thread.......

 

[Sparrowhawk12]

Those shareholders who have lost faith can take one last action if you want. It wouldn't be hard. As I've stated time and time again, THE DRC MINING WEEK EVENT sponsored by THE VUKA GROUP is taking place in a little over two weeks. They are advertising the event on Facebook, YouTube, Twitter and LinkedIn.

View attachment 37449

All you have to do to create an account on these platforms is create an email address and post a simple message which is honest and respectful and later links could be added regarding quotes from the IGF and other info

All terminology used below is legally applicable and the simple message could read as follows....

Read the AVZ story before you invest in the DRC Mining Sector. Australian mining company AVZ Minerals spent 6 years and millions of dollars developing the Manono Lithium Project, only to have it's Mining License and ownership taken away by the fraudulent and illegal actions of DRC state owned Cominiere and Chinese mining company Zijin Mining.

Read the report by Jules Alingete (the DRC Inspector General of Finance) on how Cominiere embezzled the Manono project to Zijin by illegally selling shares valued at $150 million for $33 million, including payments which are unable to be traced.

AVZ Minerals followed the DRC Mining Code, satisfied all approvals including Environmental Approval; Proof of Financial Capability; Favourable Cadastral Opinion; and Favourable Technical Opinion of the DFS. The Ministerial Decree to award the Mining License was granted in May last year, but due to the Corruption by Cominiere and Zijin, outlined in the Inspector General of Finance's Report, the Mining License has been denied and AVZ Minerals has been removed from the tenement site on the CAMI Portal.

Chinese mining company Zijin and Cominiere's corrupt actions are ongoing and more than a year after this fraud has taken place AVZ Minerals is awaiting arbitration in the ICC due this July.


@TDITD @The Fox @Sparrowhawk12 @Frank and anyone else on Twitter or the above platforms can make a difference by simply posting the above comments

Hi @MoneyBags1348 . I know you've helped us & our cause too much already, till it hurts. But can you please add at least 2x URL's / links to authorative sources/articles in the DRC, e.g. IGF report. It will add lots of credibility. IMO.
I've been hoping it would not come to this, but I'll raise with Vuka Group starting Mon-5-June if no +ve AVZ Ann by then.

@Deboss @FilthyRich2 @ anyone with direct contact to Nigel, AVZ Execs & BOD - let them know ASAP that we are running out of patience and need genuine positive news by Mon-5-June, 2023. IMO.

GLTAH, Sparrowhawk

 

[Ancient]

Was doing some research on arbitration earlier and found this

Contracting States are able to accede to the New York Convention subject to certain reservations. According to the United Nations Commission on International Trade Law website which charts the status of the New York Convention, the DRC has not made any notifications or reservations in accordance with the New York Convention with respect to its accession. However, in the legislation facilitating its accession the DRC made a number of reservations. These are: reciprocity (the DRC will only enforce awards made in the territory of other Contracting States); commerciality (only awards on matters which are considered commercial under DRC law will be recognised and enforced under the New York Convention); the principle of non-retroactivity (the New Convention will only apply to awards made after 3 February 2015); and finally, that the New York Convention will not apply to disputes related to immovable property or on a right related to immovable property. This is a particularly significant reservation, as it has potential to bite, for example, on disputes arising from mining rights. Unlike the other three reservations, this reservation is not provided by the New York Convention itself (although not prohibited by it).

Any thoughts on this from any experts, does this have ramifications for us if we are successful in ICC?

 

[Rediah]

Those shareholders who have lost faith can take one last action if you want. It wouldn't be hard. As I've stated time and time again, THE DRC MINING WEEK EVENT sponsored by THE VUKA GROUP is taking place in a little over two weeks. They are advertising the event on Facebook, YouTube, Twitter and LinkedIn.

View attachment 37449

All you have to do to create an account on these platforms is create an email address and post a simple message which is honest and respectful and later links could be added regarding quotes from the IGF and other info

All terminology used below is legally applicable and the simple message could read as follows....

Read the AVZ story before you invest in the DRC Mining Sector. Australian mining company AVZ Minerals spent 6 years and millions of dollars developing the Manono Lithium Project, only to have it's Mining License and ownership taken away by the fraudulent and illegal actions of DRC state owned Cominiere and Chinese mining company Zijin Mining.

Read the report by Jules Alingete (the DRC Inspector General of Finance) on how Cominiere embezzled the Manono project to Zijin by illegally selling shares valued at $150 million for $33 million, including payments which are unable to be traced.

AVZ Minerals followed the DRC Mining Code, satisfied all approvals including Environmental Approval; Proof of Financial Capability; Favourable Cadastral Opinion; and Favourable Technical Opinion of the DFS. The Ministerial Decree to award the Mining License was granted in May last year, but due to the Corruption by Cominiere and Zijin, outlined in the Inspector General of Finance's Report, the Mining License has been denied and AVZ Minerals has been removed from the tenement site on the CAMI Portal.

Chinese mining company Zijin and Cominiere's corrupt actions are ongoing and more than a year after this fraud has taken place AVZ Minerals is awaiting arbitration in the ICC due this July.


@TDITD @The Fox @Sparrowhawk12 @Frank and anyone else on Twitter or the above platforms can make a difference by simply posting the above comments

 

[tonster66]

Sino-Congolese Cooperation | "As soon as I arrived at the head of the country, I realized that this partnership was neither beneficial to the #RDCongo nor to the #Chine" (Felix Tshisekedi after his visit to Beijing).

Once Felix was out of china he was honest. Whilst in china he had to tow the chinese line. Thank God he did not sign any contracts, only MOU's which can be easily terminated.

 

[Hodlandwin69]

ahhh..... So what was?