AVZ Discussion 2022

[Flight996]

The IGF asks for 20 billion in compensation, xi gives 1 million in aid (could be considered a bribe as it is way too low for aid).
xi states that chinese companies should comply with their agreements eg. infrastructure developments.
Felix calls for government-government agreements.
This says to me that xi has separated chinese companies from the chinese government to place the blame of corruption on the individual companies.
This is a good thing as the DRC can redo the contracts without the threat from the chinese government.
I know what you will say, that the chinese companies are puppets of xi, and you would be correct but xi has drawn a line in the sand.
chinese government commitments = $1 million and a few MOUs.
chinese companies = contracts redrawn for the benefit of the DRC
Manono will be decided in the ICC as the independent umpire and AVZ will be the victor.

Hi Tonster

Exept that Zijin Mining is a Chinese state owned enterprise (SOE). This means that the Chinese government is the beneficial owner, and its activities are ultimately directed by Beijing. Its largest shareholder is Shanghang Minxi Xinghang State-Owned Property Investment Company (Interestingly, the Chinese state gets >30% of its revenue from property sales...just like the Andrews govt in Vic (LOL)).

I don't see evidence of a line in the sand, but just the same shit.

I agree that AVZ will be vindicated, but I think it will be through a negotiated settlement.

It's good to have divergent views.

Cheers
F

 

[ptlas]

The IGF asks for 20 billion in compensation, xi gives 1 million in aid (could be considered a bribe as it is way too low for aid).
xi states that chinese companies should comply with their agreements eg. infrastructure developments.
Felix calls for government-government agreements.
This says to me that xi has separated chinese companies from the chinese government to place the blame of corruption on the individual companies.
This is a good thing as the DRC can redo the contracts without the threat from the chinese government.
I know what you will say, that the chinese companies are puppets of xi, and you would be correct but xi has drawn a line in the sand.
chinese government commitments = $1 million and a few MOUs.
chinese companies = contracts redrawn for the benefit of the DRC
Manono will be decided in the ICC as the independent umpire and AVZ will be the victor.

Given you a TU but the alternative could go something like this:

FT. So bearing in mind the obvious Chinese company corrupton we would like to receive compensation and renegotiate contracts with them.

ZingyPingy. Your most esteemed excellency, the corruption of these companies is most reprehensible and they will be pulled firmly into line as much as we can in a free society. You have my word. Changes have aleady been made.

However, you are asking a little too much and in order to safeguard future Chinese investment by these entities you need to back off just a little.
Future contracts can take into account any proven previous underpayments and not impinge on their cashflow and thus allow them to allocate funds to future investment in DRC.

While your here, is there anything we can do, aid your military? Our technology is now on a par with the US and we will not invoke woke 'principles' when considering orders.
Perhaps payments for this equipment could be deferred and be paid for with a loan from PRC.
Anything else we can do to aid your country's development?
Mr President, please be assured that we value your relationship with your country, our interests are to have a strong stable DRC so that we know we have a stable business environment.
The whole nation was honoured by your visit. (Now fuck off).

 

[ptlas]

Just let him do all the talking dear, he'll think that we hang on his every word.

 

[BEISHA]

The IGF asks for 20 billion in compensation, xi gives 1 million in aid (could be considered a bribe as it is way too low for aid).
xi states that chinese companies should comply with their agreements eg. infrastructure developments.
Felix calls for government-government agreements.
This says to me that xi has separated chinese companies from the chinese government to place the blame of corruption on the individual companies.
This is a good thing as the DRC can redo the contracts without the threat from the chinese government.
I know what you will say, that the chinese companies are puppets of xi, and you would be correct but xi has drawn a line in the sand.
chinese government commitments = $1 million and a few MOUs.
chinese companies = contracts redrawn for the benefit of the DRC
Manono will be decided in the ICC as the independent umpire and AVZ will be the victor.

You had me right up until this....

"Manono will be decided in the ICC as the independent umpire and AVZ will be the victor"

No doubt AVZ will be the victor as everything via documentation / law leads to it, but fuck me, i am hoping the point of the visit to China apart from the other agenda..........was to get THE PARTY FINALLY STARTED at Manono with AVZ ml in hand, before ICC arbitration in July as that will be another major drag on time for everyone concerned, not sure the mental faculties on this forum could cope with much more....

 

[BEISHA]

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Just let him do all the talking dear, he'll think that we hang on his every word.

he'll think that we hang on his every word.

Actually, we do...

Where the fuck is his mask ?

If he goes back home with Covid, mass people will be effected......where is he going to find the funds for anti viral treatment / respirators ?

China will probably give him a big box full of Chinese made vaccinations which purportedly is as useless as fuck and charge him $1m, therefore FT goes back home with no aid at all for the floods, ......

 

[geo_au]

The IGF asks for 20 billion in compensation, xi gives 1 million in aid (could be considered a bribe as it is way too low for aid).
xi states that chinese companies should comply with their agreements eg. infrastructure developments.
Felix calls for government-government agreements.
This says to me that xi has separated chinese companies from the chinese government to place the blame of corruption on the individual companies.
This is a good thing as the DRC can redo the contracts without the threat from the chinese government.
I know what you will say, that the chinese companies are puppets of xi, and you would be correct but xi has drawn a line in the sand.
chinese government commitments = $1 million and a few MOUs.
chinese companies = contracts redrawn for the benefit of the DRC
Manono will be decided in the ICC as the independent umpire and AVZ will be the victor.

Good thinking tonster, great post to start off Monday.

The IGF asks for 20 billion in compensation, xi gives 1 million in aid (could be considered a bribe as it is way too low for aid).
xi states that chinese companies should comply with their agreements eg. infrastructure developments.
Felix calls for government-government agreements.
This says to me that xi has separated chinese companies from the chinese government to place the blame of corruption on the individual companies.
This is a good thing as the DRC can redo the contracts without the threat from the chinese government.
I know what you will say, that the chinese companies are puppets of xi, and you would be correct but xi has drawn a line in the sand.
chinese government commitments = $1 million and a few MOUs.
chinese companies = contracts redrawn for the benefit of the DRC
Manono will be decided in the ICC as the independent umpire and AVZ will be the victor.

Good thinking tonster, thanks for starting the new week on something positive for a change.

 

[Remark]

Caption this.....

"所以，这栋楼是我的?"

 

[BRICK]

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"所以，这栋楼是我的?"

"So youre telling me the upper 2 floors are my penthouse apartments or i get the whole building?"

 

[RHyNO]

Penny should be on the phone with Xi “now you’ve agreed that you are happy with your DRC partnership, we are going to need you to call off zinjin and offer Aust shareholders a reasonable price for their investment, and we can all get back to pretending your not just a mandarin speaking devil in a suit”

 

[Mr Inappropriate]

You had me right up until this....

"Manono will be decided in the ICC as the independent umpire and AVZ will be the victor"

No doubt AVZ will be the victor as everything via documentation / law leads to it, but fuck me, i am hoping the point of the visit to China apart from the other agenda..........was to get THE PARTY FINALLY STARTED at Manono with AVZ ml in hand, before ICC arbitration in July as that will be another major drag on time for everyone concerned, not sure the mental faculties on this forum could cope with much more....

Which is the ICC hearing is occurring in July?

• The one initiated by AVZ to stop the dissolution of Dathcom?
• The claim by the corrupt ones for $1.6b(?) against AVZ?
• The claim for $500m because Nigel parked in Celestine’s allocated spot?
• Something else?

Oh, do we know why we’ve heard crickets about the MMCS case at the ICC?

I can’t keep up…

 

[Dijon101]

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"That fucking statue cost 10x as much as you donated to flood relief "

 

[Xerof]

Which is the ICC hearing is occurring in July?

• The one initiated by AVZ to stop the dissolution of Dathcom?
• The claim by the corrupt ones for $1.6b(?) against AVZ?
• The claim for $500m because Nigel parked in Celestine’s allocated spot?
• Something else?

Oh, do we know why we’ve heard crickets about the MMCS case at the ICC?

I can’t keep up…

• something else

it's the one where Zijin (JC) take AVZ to task to validate their (illegal) purchase of the 15%, but the first part is to decide whether they actually have the right to do this, as they were not part of the JVA


MMCS?

silly Kunts

 

[Mr Inappropriate]

• something else

it's the one where Zijin (JC) take AVZ to task to validate their (illegal) purchase of the 15%, but the first part is to decide whether they actually have the right to do this, as they were not part of the JVA

silly Kunts

Cheers dude.

So this is the one where, assuming we win, we find out that Z have no jurisdiction to take action against us so that action cannot proceed any further. Then everyone looks at each other and says “Now what?”

Is it that one?

#fuckZijin

 

[geo_au]

Interesting video suggests all is not well between china and africa.

 

[tonster66]

Hi Tonster

Exept that Zijin Mining is a Chinese state owned enterprise (SOE). This means that the Chinese government is the beneficial owner, and its activities are ultimately directed by Beijing. Its largest shareholder is Shanghang Minxi Xinghang State-Owned Property Investment Company (Interestingly, the Chinese state gets >30% of its revenue from property sales...just like the Andrews govt in Vic (LOL)).

I don't see evidence of a line in the sand, but just the same shit.

I agree that AVZ will be vindicated, but I think it will be through a negotiated settlement.

It's good to have divergent views.

Cheers
F

I get what you are saying. china wants to play democracy when they want to but ultimately all chinese companies are subordinate to the cjinese government eg. Jack Ma - Alibaba.
Kiki Kienge on the bird writes,
"The Chinese ambassador in #RDC said the contract was between the Congolese government and a group of Chinese companies". Thus the chinese government is distancing itself from chinese companies by using democracy to suit their interests. We know that the chinese control chinese companies, that what communism is about

 

[tonster66]

You had me right up until this....

"Manono will be decided in the ICC as the independent umpire and AVZ will be the victor"

No doubt AVZ will be the victor as everything via documentation / law leads to it, but fuck me, i am hoping the point of the visit to China apart from the other agenda..........was to get THE PARTY FINALLY STARTED at Manono with AVZ ml in hand, before ICC arbitration in July as that will be another major drag on time for everyone concerned, not sure the mental faculties on this forum could cope with much more....

The reason I stated the decision will be made at the ICC because it is independent so the DRC government can allude to this decision when china asks why they didnt get Manono. For me its the election that is playing a big role in decisions at the moment. The chinese are propaganda machines and can influence the election against Felix. If there was no election I think the IGF and Felix would tell china to bugger off.

 

[Xerof]

Cheers dude.

So this is the one where, assuming we we win, we find out that Z have no jurisdiction to take action against us so that action cannot proceed any further. Then everyone looks at each other and says “Now what?”

Is it that one?

#fuckZijin

My understanding is if Z gets told it doesn't have the right to even seek a ruling by ICC, then this case gets dropped.

This would then leave AVZ's attack on Cominiere, which has two parts - a ruling (ideally in our favour) over the dissolution of the JVA, and the legality of Cominiere selling JC the 15%. (see 17 April announcement)

And finally, there's the vexatious claim for damages from Z and C.

Oh, and still have the DATHOMIR case, launched by AVZ

 

[Mr Inappropriate]

My understanding is if Z gets told it doesn't have the right to even seek a ruling by ICC, then this case gets dropped.

This would then leave AVZ's attack on Cominiere, which has two parts - a ruling (ideally in our favour) over the dissolution of the JVA, and the legality of Cominiere selling JC the 15%. (see 17 April announcement)

And finally, there's the vexatious claim for damages from Z and C.

Oh, and still have the DATHOMIR case, launched by AVZ

Thanks again.

I struggle to see how that all comes to a head (i.e. a decision on the ML) any time soon.

 

[Xerof]

Speaking of crickets, no news on the Class action, and nothing on the off market purchases by Deeland

Summary, all bullshit tactics from you know where

 

[9cardomaha]

Which is the ICC hearing is occurring in July?

• The one initiated by AVZ to stop the dissolution of Dathcom?
• The claim by the corrupt ones for $1.6b(?) against AVZ?
• The claim for $500m because Nigel parked in Celestine’s allocated spot?
• Something else?

Oh, do we know why we’ve heard crickets about the MMCS case at the ICC?

I can’t keep up…

So i can update a few for everyone.

• AVZ v Cominiere - The one initiated by AVZ to stop the dissolution of Dathcom? - Emergency Injunction awarded May 2023 validating ICC jurisdiction, timetable to be set by September 2023
• Zijin + Cominiere v AVZ - The claim by the corrupt ones for $1.6b(?) against AVZ? - Jurisdiction hearing in July 2023 (if it is allowed to go forward)
• AVZ v Dathomir - The one initiated by AVZ to tell Cong to fuck off, no sellers remorse allowed - Timetable set by August 2023
• Zijin v AVZ - Jurisdiction hearing in July where ICC tells Zijin to 'go back to China'
• MMCS v Cominiere - Rendering verdict expected to come out in August 2023
• The claim for $500m because Nigel parked in Celestine’s allocated spot? - LOL
• Nothing Else

it's the one where Zijin (JC) take AVZ to task to validate their (illegal) purchase of the 15%, but the first part is to decide whether they actually have the right to do this, as they were not part of the JVA

The second part is correct, the Zijin v AVZ hearing in July is to determine whether the ICC has jurisdiction for the case given Zijin isn't a shareholder. According to JVA you can't initiate an ICC case against a JV member unless you are also a JV member.

The first part needs a small addition: Zijin didn't launch the case to validate the 15% ownership. Even if the ICC decides to hear the case, the ICC only recognizes that Zijin is a JV member but they didn't request an ICC decree or mandate to confirm.

Zijin would then have to go back to the DRC with this ICC recognition and continue the fight locally, or launch another case to validate their 15% similar to AVZ v Dathomir.

Edit: actually no they can't launch another ICC case since they aren't a JV member, so go back to DRC, use ICC as precedence and confirm that they don't have shit

So this is the one where, assuming we we win, we find out that Z have no jurisdiction to take action against us so that action cannot proceed any further. Then everyone looks at each other and says “Now what?”

Is it that one?

#fuckZijin

If ICC rules that it does not have jurisdiction over Zijin v AVZ, this will slam the door in Zijin's face. We will likely submit to have the joint case dismissed since it's basically the AVZ v Cominiere one with Zijin included for shits and giggles.