John25
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Unkind shareholders say I rub people the wrong way…. Like you I’m just misunderstood
AVZ Discussion 2022
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Carlos Danger
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I wasn't trying to dictate. Merely work with. My hope was that we could be a beacon of cooperation in this shitshow. I honestly think you would cop less flack here if you didn't use multiple accounts but it's up to you.
I don't have that many shares compared to others here and sold a few in early 2022 so only have 15k initial capital left to lose. Not something I'm overly concerned about hence why I care more about the truth than group think.
Agree with your main point that we are losing the narrative war in major publications especially the AFR and I do appreciate your efforts to try and change that. Maybe I'll email them. Maybe I won't.
Have a nice day
The Fox
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Absolutely.
Delays, Corruption, Incompetence, Fraud, Bribery / Graft vs AVZ.
What is there to worry about?
AVZ have done nothing wrong.
Take a leaf from the book of Franck, the rule of law will prevail, in his opinion and in mine.
Just don't ask me when.
The Fox
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Absolutely.
Delays, Corruption, Incompetence, Fraud, Bribery / Graft vs AVZ.
What is there to worry about?
AVZ have done nothing wrong.
Take a leaf from the book of Franck, the rule of law will prevail, in his opinion and in mine.
Just don't ask me when.
Is that serious enough for you John, Shane, Kibeye or however?Absolutely.
Delays, Corruption, Incompetence, Fraud, Bribery / Graft vs AVZ.
What is there to worry about?
AVZ have done nothing wrong.
Take a leaf from the book of Franck, the rule of law will prevail, in his opinion and in mine.
Just don't ask me when.
Ukraine v Russia.........aka David v Goliath...........David giving Goliath an absolute flogging ( albeit western weapons )
Gives me some hope that AVZ can give the the corrupt Goliath ( Zijin / Com ) a flogging too......
Ok you asked my opinion....@cruiser51 you seem like a pretty serious bloke who backs the company and management and calls a spade a shovel so I’ll tell you what I’m currently up to just to get your opinion. I’m expecting you probably won’t agree, but still interested in what you have to say
I’m currently gathering all the evidence I can exposing the DRC as being the most corrupt state anywhere for international investors to invest in mining and most of the evidence implicates the current government as much as past governments.
I’ve been slowly getting info ready ahead of the DRC MINING WEEK in June as well as the one in September and again before the African nations mining conference in Perth later in the year.
I have read that Tshisekedi has the authority to rule in our favour and has had a year to show support, through which he hasn’t even shown the most miniscule support.
Now we have Cominiere and Zijin delaying our project even longer (unabated by the DRC government) after Cominiere illegally selling parts of it completely unabated by the government
@Frank has posted information that Jules Alingete is making headway and Tshisekedi is supposed to be supporting him, and it’s probably this that stops me from going too far, but I’m personally at the point where it seems making not only international investors aware, but also highlighting the DRC’s corruption to all the other African nations who want to be considered as friendly business environments is the option left to me.
The twitter campaign is gathering support from stakeholders and is being very well supported by locals in the DRC, it has specifically targeted Celestine Kebeya and Zijin which is spot on, but I’m thinking of targeting the government and mining sector as a combined corrupt entity.
When I started this post I didn’t think it would be this long so a nice long reply with your reasoning would be good
I’ll give you plenty of time because I’m going to sign off here, watch some TV with my better half and probably have some more codeine so I can sleep tonight
You catch more flies with honey than vinegar, your parents might have told you this a long time ago.
I would not be impressed if someone, who I don't know from a bar of soap from the DRC, or any country, would start throwing barbs at Australia and tell us how to run our country.
I would tell them in not to misunderstanding terms to take a hike and mind their own business.
If you look at the twitter website of the MoM you highly likely picked up that the Congolese people are more patriotic than 100 Australian people combined in the way they express that.
Don't take this the wrong way, it is on the surface and the moment the wind turns they well could change their alliance and run in the opposite direction.
The Congolese have their heart on their sleeves, while in Australia the feelings run deeper, you will have to poke hard with a stick before you get a similar reaction in Australia, we are not as hot headed as the Congolese.
However if someone pisses us off properly, they are in a much worse position.
It is the reason I prefer living in Australia, we have a working democracy, which we will defend with our live.
The DRC is still on trainer wheels and have to fight hard to achieve what we have.
Don't forget there is also fraud in Australia, but in Australia it is not accepted the same way as in the DRC.
To be honest there isn't a country where I have worked around the world without fraud, but in the DRC it appears to be a God given right, very acceptable and on the surface.
Take on top of that the influence of one of the most corrupt countries in the world, ie China and you have the correct cocktail.
I personally believe kicking the Congolese people and or government hard against the shins, could highly likely be extremely counter productive.
We are trying to get a ML from the Congolese Government, so we can get on with our business.
It is not the done thing calling a person a moron and in the same breath asking for a Mining License. It is simply not smart.
I know that a lot of people do not agree with what I just wrote, but you asked my opinion and it is the way I see it.
It is not up to us to tell the Congolese people how to run their country, it is their country and their job to fight for a real working democracy, we are simply guests.
We don't accept the Congolese people meddling in our domestic affairs.
I know a lot of people, including me, are very upset and angry with what is going on, because it affects our interests and a lot of us could lose a lot of money.
Taking that in consideration, starting with a campaign at this stage in attempting to smear the DRC Government, or a part of it, will not be acceptable for the majority of DRC people and in my eyes is the same as throwing our own windows in.
The DRC people posting on social media is only a very small percentage of the DRC population.
The DRC population will always back Congolese people over foreigners, not the other way around.
We do the same in Australia.
On another note certain people in certain areas in the world are extremely thin skinned, so be careful what you do.
You might not like it, but you will have to take that fact in consideration.
Especially a person who knows he has done wrong and runs the risk of finishing up in jail for a long time, will react like a cornered rat.
Let Jules A and the judiciary work the Congolese problems out and let AVZ fight Zijin through the international courts.
I am very afraid that interfering and calling people at this stage morons, could backfire and prove not to be very smart.
It might give a person a nice warm feeling, but at the end of the day it is all one could well be left with, a nice warm feeling and bye bye money.
All in my opinion for which you asked.
Martin Fayulu, Moïse Katumbi, Delly Sesanga and Augustin Matata's demand that the electoral register be audited by a reputable international firm is interesting to me.
It shows that they obviously believe Felix intends to attempt to rig the election again and are trying to come up with ways to stop him. I wonder how successful they would be in trying to prevent this from happening a second time. My impression is that Martin Fayulu who likely got the most votes last election could have more integrity than Felix, but who knows with the DRC.
If a new Government was to get in with some/most/all of the blockers removed, it could work out well. Then again it is such a big change that other unknown issues could come into play. Will be interesting to see what happens.
It shows that they obviously believe Felix intends to attempt to rig the election again and are trying to come up with ways to stop him. I wonder how successful they would be in trying to prevent this from happening a second time. My impression is that Martin Fayulu who likely got the most votes last election could have more integrity than Felix, but who knows with the DRC.
If a new Government was to get in with some/most/all of the blockers removed, it could work out well. Then again it is such a big change that other unknown issues could come into play. Will be interesting to see what happens.
Der Geist
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Frank, I was wondering, since your post content is often twitter, it would be easier to track your salient pickings on a dedicated thread.
Respectfully
DG
CashKing
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Mate you know how many Russian soldiers have died and not because they have a choice because they DON’T have a choice poor burgers… Lucky we live in best countryUkraine v Russia.........aka David v Goliath...........David giving Goliath an absolute flogging ( albeit western weapons )
Gives me some hope that AVZ can give the the corrupt Goliath ( Zijin / Com ) a flogging too......
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Der Geist
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I don’t think AVZ shareholders are telling Congolese how to run their country. They are simply not normalising bare face corruption, and we are not just guests we have contracts. And there is International Law that suggests Congolese want to be part of the Global economy and community.
This is wrong. I have heard from Kiki Kienge exact opposite, we need to kick up dirt.
@DoubleA this is very interesting about FT. If so, if he thinks he is a marginal winner or loser, then the Dathcom mess likely won’t be solved till after the election. Hopefully with a US presence supporting AVZ
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