AVZ Discussion 2022

[ptlas]

It's clearly touching nerves when my posts are reported and moderated

Be very careful folks.....the ones who keep talking about an insular environment and echo chambers here are not LTH's friends

There's a narrative of opening up ideas, and different points of view from them but it's not genuine

It's purely an agenda to disrupt, deflect, provide doubt and divide

Stay on track

Look to the company announcements for the best insight into the truth and at all times call out corruption, bullshit, mysterious convoluted grandstanding posts, posters who purport to have intel and actually share nothing and above all recognise the shithouse orchestrated attempts by multiple "personalities" here who have zero interest in your wellbeing and even less interest in the success of AVZ

100%

It seems that this thread has been targeted by multiple posters for deliberate disruption. Barely a native English speaker amongst them

That disruption includes reporting anyone outside of their camp and having posts moderated ( in my case for "potentially baiting" - go figure ) and the thread further disrupted, not to mention annoying and thus provoking genuine users.



I called some of them out yesterday, but am now reverting to my usual tactic of ignoring them so as not to aid the disruption

 

[Winenut]

Admin would do well to correlate some data and discover the pattern between the recently emerged or re-emerged posters in the last week or two and the number of reports or moderation requests they initiate against the backdrop of the regular LT posters and the number of reports or requests for moderation from them on an averaged medium term timescale

There will be an abundance of "intentional"confabulation and malfeasance that becomes apparent in the data I assure you....

 

[Thunderpony]

Dear Journal,

Today, I delve into the depths of darkness, plotting my underhanded scheme to bring the AVZ mining to a grinding halt. The fools in power believe they can exploit our Chinese land, our resources, without consequence. But they underestimate the power of a true villain.

In this clandestine journal, I document my devious plan, knowing that all shall stumble upon these pages. The first step is to gather a network of shadowy figures, individuals skilled in the arts of deception and manipulation. They will be my pawns, ready to do my bidding without question.

Secrecy is paramount. I will cloak myself in anonymity, my true identity hidden behind layers of masks and false trails. No one shall know the face behind the wicked machinations, the mind that orchestrates chaos.

Bribery, the weapon of choice for the cunning villain. Money talks, and those in power have their price. I will find their vulnerabilities, their darkest desires, and exploit them to my advantage. Blackmail, coercion, and promises of power will be the currency that seals their fates. They will dance on the edge of my strings, mere puppets in my twisted theater.

But bribes alone are not enough. Fear must accompany my dark allure. I will unleash a wave of terror, unsettling the very foundation of their belief in security. Anonymous threats, eerie messages, and unexplained accidents will haunt their waking moments and torment their dreams. Their grip on power will falter as paranoia consumes them.


To stall the mining project, I must strike at its heart. Sabotage will be my ally. Machinery will burn, accidents will befall the paperwork, and rumors of cursed mines will spread like AFR wildfire. Delay will cripple their progress, leaving them stranded in a web of uncertainty and doubt.

Oh, how sweet it will be to witness their downfall, to revel in their despair. Their dreams of wealth and progress will crumble before their eyes, shattered by the relentless force of a villain's wrath. The darkness shall prevail, and their ambitions shall wither into dust.

As I write these words, a twisted smile creeps across my face. The journal serves as a testament to my malevolent genius, a chronicle of my rise to infamy. The world shall tremble at the mere mention of my name, and my legacy shall be etched in the annals of villainy.

 

[Doc]

 

[Pokok]

Why the fuck anyone of any consequence would bother fucking around here to have any fucking impact on any fucking thing completely escapes me....

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you missed a word between completely and escapes

 

[zeeb0t]

Hi @zeeb0t . @MoneyBags1348 is good, honest to a fault and ... yes can be abrasive. But he justly calls a troll, a troll. I value his input and prolific posting. Thanks and BR Sparrowhawk

Dreddb0t has language like this for a bit of fun. As you might guess from the name… Dredd. Nobody is hardly about to be permanently banned from just a single post being moderated. And even if there was numerous, the bans or mutings are temporary. It takes a great many moderations before Dreddb0t to hand out a permanent ban.

So to the poster who was concerned, “take a joke” - the language is simply themed like Judge Dredd but rest assured it’s not going to spray your brain matter over the wall over a single infringement, like the real Judge Dredd.

 

[Chase]

Well @Frank my friend, and to all the other shareholders I have had a good relationship and conversations with….

It looks like the trolls are winning here on tse and as a result I may be permanently banned

In spite of the fact that I’ve had arguments with @TDITD @BEISHA @Cashcity @Spikerama @cruiser51 and others, I was still able to maintain a respectful interaction with each of them

In the past the trolls have been able to tamper with a post of mine, post a veiled threat towards me and post the odd baiting comment my way and they are now in the process of trying to ban me from tse

@zeeb0t​

Administrator​

Staff member​

Yesterday at 11:27 PM
Dreddb0t: I am the law. Your post has been moderated, and you've been warned. Read the rules again and be vigilant - any further transgressions will lead to an automatic ban. Remember, ignorance is not an excuse. Reason: The post contains personal attacks and accusations towards another user, which is considered trolling or baiting and is not allowed on the forum.

@zeeb0t​

Administrator​

Staff member​

Today at 4:45 PM
Dreddb0t: I am the law. Your post has been moderated, and you've been warned. Read the rules again and be vigilant - any further transgressions will lead to an automatic ban. Remember, ignorance is not an excuse. Reason: The post content violates the rule against trolling or baiting. It is not constructive and is intended to provoke a negative response from other forum users. Please refrain from making such comments in the future.

No mention from zeebots of the trolls attacking me, just telling me my day’s are numbered

One day zeebots will realise I was one of the few here who was fighting against trolls and corruption on the forum, brought my own brand of humour and straight talking, and I have the evidence to back all the assertions I made so if I get banned for this, as everyone knows…. I really don’t give a shit

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You a ledgend ..you keep it real around here, I greatly appreciate your input.

 

[Doc]

Dreddb0t has language like this for a bit of fun. As you might guess from the name… Dredd. Nobody is hardly about to be permanently banned from just a single post being moderated. And even if there was numerous, the bans or mutings are temporary. It takes a great many moderations before Dreddb0t to hand out a permanent ban.

So to the poster who was concerned, “take a joke” - the language is simply themed like Judge Dredd but rest assured it’s not going to spray your brain matter over the wall over a single infringement, like the real Judge Dredd.

Wtf? Are you 12?

 

[zeeb0t]

Wtf? Are you 12?

The personality name etc. chosen for the AI which assesses any content on this forum in accordance with the rules, once it has been reported, was something that was voted for by the forum members who took part in that process some time ago.

I suppose you may see the humour if you imagine the bot is typically only assessing posts written by trolls.

The simple thing I have to say is that there are rules here. There are no sides taken when assessing the rules, otherwise this would be a biased process. The rules are pretty straight forward and when followed the AI will take no issue.

If this is something you cannot reconcile - that is, unbiased moderation and even application of rules - then I suggest you have misunderstood the point of difference of this forum. Typically, it is biased moderation that people run from and arrive here to get away from.

 

[Chase]

It's clearly touching nerves when my posts are reported and moderated

Be very careful folks.....the ones who keep talking about an insular environment and echo chambers here are not LTH's friends

There's a narrative of opening up ideas, and different points of view from them but it's not genuine

It's purely an agenda to disrupt, deflect, provide doubt and divide

Stay on track

Look to the company announcements for the best insight into the truth and at all times call out corruption, bullshit, mysterious convoluted grandstanding posts, posters who purport to have intel and actually share nothing and above all recognise the shithouse orchestrated attempts by multiple "personalities" here who have zero interest in your wellbeing and even less interest in the success of AVZ

Hit the nail on the head wino

 

[ptlas]

Just received this from ZB, which concludes our discussion:

"Just a note - the rules are 100% consistently applied however only posts which are “reported” using the report function are assessed. This is 99% the reason behind any appearance of a lack of application of the rules. People don’t report them first…

Have a nice day also."



So yes, there is a deliberate and concerted policy of reporting posts in order to disrupt.

So be careful what you post and play the same game with the trolls. Report

However, what is more interesting to me is why this has all begun/escalated in the last week or so?

Trolls or their employers getting VERRRRRY worried methinks.

 

[TDITD]

Hi @zeeb0t . @MoneyBags1348 is good, honest to a fault and ... yes can be abrasive. But he justly calls a troll, a troll. I value his input and prolific posting. Thanks and BR Sparrowhawk

I second this @zeeb0t

Here is 2c worth

Within this thread, an alarming situation has unfolded, trolls with multiple accounts have infiltrated and are prospering after a few unsuccessful efforts, causing disinterest and frustration among genuine users. Despite reports being filed against these trolls, they continue to sow discontent and hinder meaningful engagement. There should be an urgency of addressing this issue to prevent the loss of valuable community members.

It is disheartening to witness the detrimental impact of trolls within this thread. Their disruptive presence has caused valued members, such as @MoneyBags1348, to become disinterested and disengaged. Reports filed against these trolls, including my own, have seemingly fallen on deaf ears, allowing the toxic atmosphere to persist.

Consequences of allowing trolls to dominate the conversation extend beyond the individuals directly affected. As demonstrated by the overwhelmingly positive reactions to @Sparrowhawk12's post (currently at 27), it is evident that many others share the sentiment of discontent. This suggests a growing number of users feeling disenchanted with the platform's slow transformation into a hub for trolls and hostility, we already have HC for that.

@MoneyBags1348's presence within the community holds significant value. Losing an active and respected member due to the persistence of trolls is not only regrettable but also counterproductive. It is crucial to prioritize the retention and well-being of dedicated contributors who enhance the platform's quality and foster a sense of belonging among users.

Immediate action is required to rectify this concerning situation. By swiftly identifying and taking appropriate measures against trolls through further discussion with @MoneyBags1348.

Ignoring the presence of trolls and the impact they have on valued community members will only lead to further disinterest and alienation.

 

[wombat74]

Just received this from ZB, which concludes our discussion:

"Just a note - the rules are 100% consistently applied however only posts which are “reported” using the report function are assessed. This is 99% the reason behind any appearance of a lack of application of the rules. People don’t report them first…

Have a nice day also."



So yes, there is a deliberate and concerted policy of reporting posts in order to disrupt.

So be careful what you post and play the same game with the trolls. Report

However, what is more interesting to me is why this has all begun/escalated in the last week or so?

Trolls or their employers getting VERRRRRY worried methinks.

AVZ is on the road to victory and it's p1ssing some people off .

 

[Charbella]

Just received this from ZB, which concludes our discussion:

"
Just a note - the rules are 100% consistently applied however only posts which are “reported” using the report function are assessed. This is 99% the reason behind any appearance of a lack of application of the rules. People don’t report them first…

Have a nice day also."



So yes, there is a deliberate and concerted policy of reporting posts in order to disrupt.

So be careful what you post and play the same game with the trolls. Report

However, what is more interesting to me is why this has all begun/escalated in the last week or so?

Trolls or their employers getting VERRRRRY worried methinks.

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Me thinks Zijin has indicated their TO offer to AVZ. AVZ had refused to come to their table or participate in any discussions with them hence the most recent ICC request.

 

[Panther22]

Probably best if we just all shut the fuck up, stop providing info to the enemy and eat popcorn until ICC

This is what I’m doing

bye all

See you Bags

Agree totally

 

[John25]

The stench around here in the last week ….

 

[whales]

Agree totally

Me thinks Zijin has indicated their TO offer to AVZ. AVZ had refused to come to their table or participate in any discussions with them hence the most recent ICC request.

Take over I do not think so .
More stalling tactics in my view .
So that AVZ run out of funds.
The problem is ZIJIN know they will be exposed for the fraudlent actions and the right of first refusal not been followed.
ICC ruling will clear the path for FT to take action IMO without any negative impact to him and up coming election .
"I am following the law the DRC is a good place to invest in "???.

 

[Azzler]

Though it seems likely stalling shenannigans with this latest ICC action.
I still cant stop comming back to the commentary on the latest announcement.
Seemingly irrelevant (to the announcement of the ICC action) commentary by the company.

"whilst no substantive quantification as to the merits and the quantum of the
damages claim is provided in the Request, it appears on face value that the
amount of the damages claims is based on Jin Cheng holding a 15% interest
and Cominière a 10% interest in Dathcom, thus suggesting that the Claimants
are valuing the entirety of the Manono Project at US$5.66 billion;"

Stating it's not explained what the damages are for, is relevant.

But going on to point out the $ values have a relation to the claimed ownership of C and Z.
And going on to point out that it's in relation to what they value the entire company at.

It's not just some commentary or speculation made off hand in an interview, it's in an official announcement.

To me, AVZ are telling us they are suing for their claimed ownership in the entire project,
I can't think of a circumstance where anyone would do that if they hadn't lost their claimed ownership.

So much of it doesn't make sense, which to me means there's information yet to be released.

Apparently we're expecting an announcement this week, lets hope it's got something good for us
and clears some things up.

 

[Frank]

 

[Charbella]

Take over I do not think so .
More stalling tactics in my view .
So that AVZ run out of funds.
The problem is ZIJIN know they will be exposed for the fraudlent actions and the right of first refusal not been followed.
ICC ruling will clear the path for FT to take action IMO without any negative impact to him and up coming election .
"I am following the law the DRC is a good place to invest in "???.

Stalling tactics? Purchased for $33million and now demanding $800million for doing nothing? There is definitely more to that then simply stalling one would think.