AVZ Discussion 2022

[DoubleA]

‘Both’ parties need to agree to extend once the extension date is up for renewal ; if either party doesn’t agree then the deal is off and both go on their way ; neither have to pay the $20m .

If either decided to cancel prior to the renewal date ; then that’s when payout would occur .

As we have currently passed the last extension date ; there’s no penalty for either party walking if they choose to

Why does AVZ need to agree to extend? I disagree.

What is to stop AVZ saying give us the $240m as agreed, no more extensions. The mining licence requirement has been waived. If the $240 million is not received then CATH have breached the agreement?

I think there are reasons to want to partner with CATH which is likely why AVZ have previously agreed to extend, but I don't believe AVZ have to.

 

[ptlas]

FYI

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[Chilla]

Why does AVZ need to agree to extend? I disagree.

What is to stop AVZ saying give us the $240m as agreed, no more extensions. The mining licence requirement has been waived. If the $240 million is not received then CATH have breached the agreement?

I think there are reasons to want to partner with CATH which is likely why AVZ have previously agreed to extend, but I don't believe AVZ have to.




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AVZ needs to retain 51% majority JV control….so they won’t agree to finalise the 24% to CATH until they have full and final court decision on 75% ownership. As it stands 60% is undisputed so max they would agree to sell to CATH until highest court confirms the 75% is a sale of 9% to CATH. And we are told CATH are good with that as their main requirement is guaranteed Offtake. My opinion is if that’s the case do a Offtake Prepayment Agreement and take the ownership out of the transaction and proceed with guaranteed funding based on Offtake.

 

[CashKing]

Why does AVZ need to agree to extend? I disagree.

What is to stop AVZ saying give us the $240m as agreed, no more extensions. The mining licence requirement has been waived. If the $240 million is not received then CATH have breached the agreement?

I think there are reasons to want to partner with CATH which is likely why AVZ have previously agreed to extend, but I don't believe AVZ have to.




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Like Fuck they would stump up 240mill in this mess with no ML in hand , CATH would have an out that’s not in AVZ’s announcements that we can see for sure..

I reckon Z and CATH would be speaking to each and have a better understanding on how to pineapple company’s together..

DP IF YOU WILL…

CATH would still be keen & it’s part of their milking system IMO…

They longer they fuck with us stalling the project the cheaper it gets unless we keep drilling etc etc & hope for a TO but when the money runs out we have a issue….

Can Nige can play poker ?

IMO if Manono was Chinese owned and operated it would be producing by now..

As old mate said which made me laugh it’s 2023 and you can identify as anything even corrupt and get away with it…

Let’s hope Marius has a Easter Egg for all of us

 

[The Fox]

Slow news day

No squid at Brighton off the jetty mid morning today

When is the best time for squid normally off that jetty? dusk / dawn or all day round?

Can meet you there sometime to discuss AVZ if you want, and catch a squid or two.

 

[The Fox]

I did read a couple of days ago that CATL were on the blower to Australian lithium Companies, desperately seeking Susan Spoddy.

If I put 2 and 2 together, with the lack of CATH extension (so far) today, my calculator comes up with 24, i.e. 24% remaining with AVZ

Let's see, but if I had to dream up a good story, I'd go with AVZ not willing to go with a chinese partner anymore.

Second evil thought is: is CATH the distributor of AVZ info back to those other bastards?


Trust no-one, in fact I just blocked myself


GO WEST
24 hail Marys and definitely JMT

Exit stage left CATL, enter stage right US company. Well wouldn't that be nice.

 

[Goat]

Like Fuck they would stump up 240mill in this mess with no ML in hand , CATH would have an out that’s not in AVZ’s announcements that we can see for sure..

I reckon Z and CATH would be speaking to each and have a better understanding on how to pineapple company’s together..

DP IF YOU WILL…

CATH would still be keen & it’s part of their milking system IMO…

They longer they fuck with us stalling the project the cheaper it gets unless we keep drilling etc etc & hope for a TO but when the money runs out we have a issue….

Can Nige can play poker ?

IMO if Manono was Chinese owned and operated it would be producing by now..

As old mate said which made me laugh it’s 2023 and you can identify as anything even corrupt and get away with it…

Let’s hope Marius has a Easter Egg for all of us

This is exactly how it will play out.
This will drag out, AVZ will have no money, they will not be able to conjure up funding without some positive news in their arsenal.
It's sad..
I'm secretly hoping AVZ have been digging around in the WA outback looking for a Manono V2.0.
Nige needs to stop the flamin digging, revert to an absolute shoe string budget and just wait it out.

 

[CashKing]

I’m

This is exactly how it will play out.
This will drag out, AVZ will have no money, they will not be able to conjure up funding without some positive news in their arsenal.
It's sad..
I'm secretly hoping AVZ have been digging around in the WA outback looking for a Manono V2.0.
Nige needs to stop the flamin digging, revert to an absolute shoe string budget and just wait it out.

I’m 95% sure by now he would know this but fucking around digging isn’t helping mining Manono, it may just may help with selling it but probably not seeing as we already have some crazy bullshit proven deposit…

Add what’s in the storage yard from the thousands of core samples ontop…

We need to sort this shit out and get on with the job or sell it as is…

1 positive is that we will all soon have a capital gains discount for holding for 12months huh

 

[Frank]

I did read a couple of days ago that CATL were on the blower to Australian lithium Companies, desperately seeking Susan Spoddy.

If I put 2 and 2 together, with the lack of CATH extension (so far) today, my calculator comes up with 24, i.e. 24% remaining with AVZ

Let's see, but if I had to dream up a good story, I'd go with AVZ not willing to go with a chinese partner anymore.

Second evil thought is: is CATH the distributor of AVZ info back to those other bastards?

Trust no-one, in fact I just blocked myself

GO WEST
24 hail Marys and definitely JMT

*Jonnno + Manono = Nail on Head, give the man some

 

[Azzler]

This very interesting post on the crapper by Amovatio for those who shun that place.


"Well done Combaste for your positive comments. It is highly unlikely AVZ will walk away with zero.

Felix didn't commission the Democratic Republic of Congo’s (DRC)General Inspectorate of Finance to conduct an investigation and release its report on the management of mining assets in the DRC by La Congolaise d’Exploitation Minière (Cominière)(IGF Report)." for no reason.

The President is acutely aware of the corruption that exists and of the continued activity of the hostile non state actors who are trying to influence the decisions of key authorities in the DRC. He will know who and what interests these non state actors represent and who they are engaging with in the DRC.

The non state actors are desperate to interrupt the confidential discussions with the DRC govt. and continue to unsettle the current regime because they know Court cases are impending and an election is coming (end of year). The non state actors are continually trying to do everything to undermine the negotiations and delay any settlement to bring down the credibility of the current DRC Govt. It is their only hope for the continuance of this form of corruption.

Felix knows the process his Govt. is undertaking and that is why this takes time. His recent appointment of a new Ministry that will lead the Govt. to the next election is excellent timing and sends a clear message the landscape of influence for the continuity of corruption within Govt.is changing for the better, as slow as this is happening. The first 100 days of the new Ministry and their actions that are continuing to uncover corrupt processes will be critical to their success. IMO this activity will have a direct influence on the progress of the current negotiations taking place and the award of the Mining Licence, hopefully before the first court case begins.


If the legal cases proceed any outcomes will most likely be immediately be reflected in the DRC’s President’s decision to award the ML.


Our Company should be concerned that the continued activity of the hostile non-state actors may influence the decisions of the key authorities in DRC. Decision time is imminent. However, the future of the DRC in the eyes of attracting Western investment and support particularly from the USA is why the DRC is following proper process to ensure the laws of the Land are upheld in the interests of the DRC and its people. The world is watching with strong interest how this plays out. The President and his new Ministry’s survival is dependent on following the process The President has undoubtedly laid out and having competent authorities hand down outcomes that will be accepted by the world.

I don’t see any evidence where the Chinese authorities have had delegation meetings with the DRC President to explain the investment activities they have adopted to show the worth of Manono. What have they articulated to improve the lives of people in the DRC and what are they doing to advance their interests in this World class project?

However, I have read and continue to watch with considerable interest the engagement that AVZ has made with Marius Mihigo and how he is engaging with the DRC President to show how AVZ has followed all applicable laws and has made significant investment in the DRC to confirm the value of Manono and also to outline its plans to advance the interests of the DRC people. IMO this engagement by AVZ has been critical to swinging the pendulum back in favour of AVZ.

Why else would legally privileged information and content of negotiations be slipping out. We all know this MUST be coming from Dathomir and Cominière as they have the most to lose in the negotiation process that precedes their Legal cases on the horizon. IMO Zijin is already defeated and the legal ruling on their activity will soon be released from the jurisdiction on April 20. Any delay caused by Zijin to the legal process is only to delay the inevitable and disrupt the upcoming election campaign. The aim of the Chinese and their Govt. is to ensure unrest is brought into the democratic process. This won’t be allowed to happen by the President and rest assured an outcome on the decision concerning the ML is imminent.

Hence. Our Company is taking extra precautions to ensure its confidential discussions with the DRC Government are not being leaked prior to resolving the prevailing uncertainty with regards to the mining and exploration rights for the Manono Project.

Which leaves the question of why has the ASX asked AVZ for clarity and further information without disclosing what was asked and what the response was from AVZ management. Well imo the simple answer from my investigations is that SHs or wannabe SHs are now writing to ASX looking for answers which they cannot obtain from writing to or contacting AVZ directly. And all along here we are thinking the beseigement was happening from non state actors and corrupt officials in the DRC.

I remain committed to supporting the Management team and all they are doing for us true LTSHs. A little more patience is required until the outcomes start to be revealed later this month.

Wishing an enjoyable and safe Easter Break to All."

 

[Samus]

#RDC In what Kinshasa describes as a "debacle" of the Chinese contract, Jean-Claude Mputu of "Congo is not for sale" also pinpoints @GuyLoando_ among the "beneficiaries" of "diversion" of several million USD intended for infrastructure.

 

[BEISHA]

What I cannot understand is why AVZ has to bend over backwards for corrupt scum bags that have caused the shit show. In my view AVZ as 75% majority owner be given the ML and start building the mine as per FT aspirations. Whilst the mine is being built, the scum bags, Commierie Zingin and MMCS can sort the shit show they created. Cong has no leg to stand and has no place in the venture. DRC govt needs to wake up and get this project moving, the crap can be sorted in the background.

Theoretically you are absolutely spot on...........but we are dealing with the corrupt DRC and the corrupt chinese actors and rule of law doesnt apply it appears.....

I tell you what, they used to describe WA as the " wild , wild west "........well , how does one describe the DRC ?

 

[DoubleA]

AVZ needs to retain 51% majority JV control….so they won’t agree to finalise the 24% to CATH until they have full and final court decision on 75% ownership. As it stands 60% is undisputed so max they would agree to sell to CATH until highest court confirms the 75% is a sale of 9% to CATH. And we are told CATH are good with that as their main requirement is guaranteed Offtake. My opinion is if that’s the case do a Offtake Prepayment Agreement and take the ownership out of the transaction and proceed with guaranteed funding based on Offtake.

I am well aware of that. It would be a risk I would be tempted to take with the information I have.

Is there a chance AVZ could end up with less than 50% doing this? Yes.

We have good legal title to 75% and first right of refusal to Cominiere's share. For us to go under 50% we would have to lose to Dathomir AND Zijin. It is possible that this could happen in the DRC due to the corruption, but we would be well financed to continue operations and defend these challenges for years with the $240 million. Don't forget that if we continue to fuck around for years on end and run out of money, there is a real risk that we could lose the whole project.

1. The $240 million gives us time/options and prevents the Chinese from being able to easily wait until we run out of money (one of the possibilities that scares me most).

2. Having CATH invest $240 million means it is not only little AVZ who has a lot to lose if the project goes south. CATH are more powerful and have more influence than AVZ. I believe CATH met with the President at one stage. To me it is not only spreading the risk, but also decreasing it due to this increased power/influence.

3. The risk of AVZ going to under 50% control of Dathcom is a possibility, but it is not the worst possibility out there. I would much prefer to risk this than risk losing the project. The Chinese would build the mine quick and get things operational in record time. They would probably fuck around with transfer pricing etc, so we would not receive full value, but shareholders would likely still do well.

I look at examples like Komoa:

a joint venture between Ivanhoe Mines (39.6%), Zijin Mining Group (39.6%), Crystal River Global Limited (0.8%) and the Government of the Democratic Republic of Congo (20%)

Not ideal, but not the worst outcome.

AVZ has been suspended for almost a year. I want to get things moving.

 

[Winenut]

When is the best time for squid normally off that jetty? dusk / dawn or all day round?

Can meet you there sometime to discuss AVZ if you want, and catch a squid or two.

Dawn and dusk, still clear water, summer and all the other best case scenarios

The other half was walking the dog for an hour on the beach.....I took whatever opportunity there was for the hell of it to see if I could catch dinner

Vietnamese style squid with chilli, ginger, shallots plus a touch of chinese 5 spice would have on the menu but alas.......it was 10:30am and low tide!

Will shout out next time we're heading down......

Probably tomorrow if it's sunny, the winds offshore and the sea glassy

 

[Roon]

Loving JAG's work on the bird right now - spreading positive news about the company's stance on socio-economic development, ethics, anti-corruption etc.

 

[pow4ade]

I have noticed that Jules posts this sort of rallying cry post quite often, but then when someone tries to engage him with the underlying truth of his apparent post-reporting impotence, he does not comment.

Pretty sure that Jules has already explained that the judical process, or next step, in prosecuting his report was beyond his brief of investigation. That it was up to FT now to follow thru, who in turn had been waiting to install a new batch of judges before proceeding.

From memory those judges are now in place yet still we wait for the legal action recommended in the IGF report. My take since is that FT was then waiting to install his new cabinet which has been tasked with further investigating the corruption around DRC mining.

It all sounds like delaying tactics on FTs part IMO but as far as Jules is concerned his job is done. Fair enough, too, he's done good.

 

[Doc]

I am well aware of that. It would be a risk I would be tempted to take with the information I have.

Is there a chance AVZ could end up with less than 50% doing this? Yes.

We have good legal title to 75% and first right of refusal to Cominiere's share. For us to go under 50% we would have to lose to Dathomir AND Zijin. It is possible that this could happen in the DRC due to the corruption, but we would be well financed to continue operations and defend these challenges for years with the $240 million. Don't forget that if we continue to fuck around for years on end and run out of money, there is a real risk that we could lose the whole project.

1. The $240 million gives us time/options and prevents the Chinese from being able to easily wait until we run out of money (one of the possibilities that scares me most).

2. Having CATH invest $240 million means it is not only little AVZ who has a lot to lose if the project goes south. CATH are more powerful and have more influence than AVZ. I believe CATH met with the President at one stage. To me it is not only spreading the risk, but also decreasing it due to this increased power/influence.

3. The risk of AVZ going to under 50% control of Dathcom is a possibility, but it is not the worst possibility out there. I would much prefer to risk this than risk losing the project. The Chinese would build the mine quick and get things operational in record time. They would probably fuck around with transfer pricing etc, so we would not receive full value, but shareholders would likely still do well.

I look at examples like Komoa:

a joint venture between Ivanhoe Mines (39.6%), Zijin Mining Group (39.6%), Crystal River Global Limited (0.8%) and the Government of the Democratic Republic of Congo (20%)

Not ideal, but not the worst outcome.

AVZ has been suspended for almost a year. I want to get things moving.

“1. The $240 million gives us time/options and prevents the Chinese from being able to easily wait until we run out of money (one of the possibilities that scares me most).”

CATH is Chinese. It’s long been said that the Gov in China have givens directives that Chinese companies are not to compete with each other to drive prices up.
Not sure we should be totally separating the likes of Zijin and CATH. They playing for the same team after all.
And someone is leaking info…

 

[Underwaterdark]

Sutble ties to Ford Motor Company now for us, via Yibin Tianyi...

"On March 31, Tianhua New Energy announced that the company's subsidiaries, Yibin Tianyi Lithium Technology Innovation Co., Ltd. ("Tianyi Lithium"), Sichuan Tianhua Times Lithium Energy Co., Ltd. ") (Tianyi Lithium Industry and Sichuan Tianhua hereinafter collectively referred to as the "Seller") signed the "Lithium Hydroxide Purchase Agreement" with Ford Motor Company (Ford Motor). The purchase and sale of lithium oxide products reached a consensus and established a cooperative relationship. The total quantity of lithium hydroxide sold by the seller from 2025 to 2029 is 72500±10% metric tons in total. The specific supply quantity is subject to the purchase order signed by both parties.

It is understood that, in addition to Ford Motor, Tianhua New Energy has cooperated with Brazil's AMG Mining Company, Dathcom Mining SA and AVZ International Pty, Aisika New Energy (Shanghai) Co., Ltd., Chengdu Bamo Technology Co., Ltd., a certain company in the past three years. World-renowned automobile companies have signed relevant framework agreements and are implementing them."

 

[Rambo]

I hope it’s for printing lies about avz.

 

[obe wan]

I am well aware of that. It would be a risk I would be tempted to take with the information I have.

Is there a chance AVZ could end up with less than 50% doing this? Yes.

We have good legal title to 75% and first right of refusal to Cominiere's share. For us to go under 50% we would have to lose to Dathomir AND Zijin. It is possible that this could happen in the DRC due to the corruption, but we would be well financed to continue operations and defend these challenges for years with the $240 million. Don't forget that if we continue to fuck around for years on end and run out of money, there is a real risk that we could lose the whole project.

1. The $240 million gives us time/options and prevents the Chinese from being able to easily wait until we run out of money (one of the possibilities that scares me most).

2. Having CATH invest $240 million means it is not only little AVZ who has a lot to lose if the project goes south. CATH are more powerful and have more influence than AVZ. I believe CATH met with the President at one stage. To me it is not only spreading the risk, but also decreasing it due to this increased power/influence.

3. The risk of AVZ going to under 50% control of Dathcom is a possibility, but it is not the worst possibility out there. I would much prefer to risk this than risk losing the project. The Chinese would build the mine quick and get things operational in record time. They would probably fuck around with transfer pricing etc, so we would not receive full value, but shareholders would likely still do well.

I look at examples like Komoa:

a joint venture between Ivanhoe Mines (39.6%), Zijin Mining Group (39.6%), Crystal River Global Limited (0.8%) and the Government of the Democratic Republic of Congo (20%)

Not ideal, but not the worst outcome.

AVZ has been suspended for almost a year. I want to get things moving.

The intent of that $240m is that it gets buried into initial mining development cost ( it's not keep the lights on $$$) , so in the mine development sector, that $240m gets evaporated within months not years and we certainly would not be, as you say -

‘we would be well financed to continue operations and defend these challenges for years with the $240 million’

Komoa mine was held under Komoa Holdings a subsidiary of Ivanhoe ; Komoa Holdings held ‘80%’ of the Komoa project; Ivanhoe then sold 49.5% of Komoa Holdings off to Zijin for 400/500m.

Hand passing CATH 24% thus reducing us to 51%, with the Dathomir 15% still on the DRC registration books ( unresolved ) ; in the DRC....36% becomes a possible highlight figure ; i know you reckon you’d take the risk..but without drilling too far down into possibilities / scenarios , just take the percentages and names above... 24% CATH...Dathomir get through the door with their 15%; this takes AVZ to 36%.... Dathomir have zero intent in Inputting capital funds in Manono..they will offload..Dathomir sells 15% to CATH ; CATH now have 39%, AVZ loses control.

IMO until things are further resolved, I doubt management are going to play Russian roullet in that dark Chinese alley