AVZ Discussion 2022

[BEISHA]

Here is a copy of the mining code:

https://eiti.org/sites/default/files/attachments/j_o_ndeg_speicial_du_28_mars_2018_code_minier.pdf

So another question, was it unrealistic for AVZ to be seeking PE over the entire tenement, given the fact CDL is very much a PR project , with only a few holes poked in the south ?

No. The mining code doesn't specify that work needs to be carried out across the whole tenement to apply for a PE. The applicant holding the PR only needs to prove the resource is economical to mine in regards to drilling requirements. AVZ received the favourable opinions for the full 221 carrés. CAMI's approval was signed off by Mupande.

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How could the initial ML decree include the south of CDL , but not the north ?

Because that's where the declaration submitted by Dathcom cut it off. From memory it was on the line of our most northern drill holes.

Where in DRC mining law does it state that could happen ?

Article 60. As long as the applicant submits a declaration of partial renunciation.

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Was it due to the fact that no exploration was done there or was it indeed a partial waiver ?

From the AGM:

Q: Issue that a portion of mines directorate said we hadn’t done the work on the northern tenement area, and shouldn’t get the north?

A: That’s not within the mining code. So 13359 should be retained in its entirety – however the northern area may need to come under a separate exploration tenement, even though that’s not the established process. – We know who’s behind this (e.g. DG CAMI)

Docs suggest it was a partial waiver..........why would AVZ do that with no assay evidence that it had high mica content ?

Because management were tricked into believing that's what Felix wanted and were obviously given guarantees that Dathcom would retain the north as a PR in a JV with the DRC government. Hopefully they have something substantial to back up their claims in the May 4th 2022 announcement.

Does AVZ require share holder approval to instigate a partial waiver ?

Not if management understood at the time that Dathcom would still retain the north as a PR. And have evidence to back those claims.

AVZ lawyers are highly paid to navigate thru all this shit, how did they get hood winked to accept the intial ML decree without noticing the north of CDL cut off ?

They obviously also believed Mupande that this is what Felix wanted

Do they have good knowledge of DRC mining law ?

Overall I would say yes. Christian Lukusa is very impressive in that interview in September. At the end of the day it would have been management's decision whether to proceed with submitting the partial renunciation application.

How did FT get the impression from his crooked cabinet ministers that AVZ were not worthy / credible in being awarded a ML ?

Snacks

Why wasnt FT following the docs and progress of Manono in the first place ?

All of the advisors that were implicated by management as being the main detractors to AVZ are now gone. The final proof of how closely Felix has been following the docs and progress of Manono will be in the reshuffle imo

A very comprehensive reply to my queries Carlos......many thanks for putting that together.

I am sure all of this has been discussed many times before, but sometimes the facts get hazy when corruption shit is the main topic of conversation , day in, day out.

Really hoping that the positive war drums that i am reading of late towards AVZ, results in a positive resolution soon.

I wouldnt want to be in Nigels & the bods position if a ML hasnt come to pass before the next AGM......

I for one will be there again, hounding for " facts " about the PARTIAL WAIVER clause, Nigels shares in AJN and non disclosure regards to " spurious in nature " topics which have led us down the garden path.


imo

 

[Roon]

I'd like to make one suggestion, if I may, to all the lurkers in here. And I know there are many because I'm often quite tickled by the amount of love and likes some of my posts get from members who never say a word. Which is perfectly fine by the way.

But given the amount of you, I reckon it would be great if you could all spend a few minutes creating a twitter account and then going on and following people like @JAG and myself @Spikerama and anyone else you know in here that have revealed their twitter handle and then like the living shit out of everything they post in relation to AVZ.

From there you can see other like minded twitter users who you can also follow and like their stuff. You don't even have to say anything. Just like it up. Because one thing I know about social is we need more than just a few likes to get any real traction. We need hundreds, if not thousands. So every little heart counts at this point.

And I'm sure there are quite a few of you silent ones who have already done just that and are fighting the good fight with sore thumbs but I urge the rest who haven't yet, to enlist and join the fight.

IMPORTANT NOTE: If you are going to like something that is in French, make sure you read the translation version first because it's very easy to be voting for a detractors viewpoint. You can translate twitter posts by clicking on the text of their main post and there will be a blue "translate" link at the bottom. Easy peasy.

We thank you for your service.

Good move, I will do so. Even if our management remain largely silent this could help our real narrative undermine the misinformation. Good on those spreading the truth (in a sensible manner). Love your work, and I'll do a daily scan for likes from today.

 

[wombat74]

A very comprehensive reply to my queries Carlos......many thanks for putting that together.

I am sure all of this has been discussed many times before, but sometimes the facts get hazy when corruption shit is the main topic of conversation , day in, day out.

Really hoping that the positive war drums that i am reading of late towards AVZ, results in a positive resolution soon.

I wouldnt want to be in Nigels & the bods position if a ML hasnt come to pass before the next AGM......

I for one will be there again, hounding for " facts " about the PARTIAL WAIVER clause, Nigels shares in AJN and non disclosure regards to " spurious in nature " topics which have led us down the garden path.


imo

I'm putting money on a resolution pre ICC one way or the other .

 

[GuruDukun]

I’ve only seen Sir Les posts of recent times, don’t know him, but his writing style is similar to der Geist

That's the one!

 

[Mute22]

I really hope Nigel and co are staying in country until this mess is sorted. Anybody know if they are still over there?

 

[BEISHA]

I'm putting money on a resolution pre ICC one way or the other .

Possibly , but i wouldnt want that resolution involving Zijin pre ICC , that would be a easy out for those wankers.

I much prefer to see the knife turn in their guts with the ICC , solidifying their reputation as a coy that cant be trusted thru a global audience , then FT might finally see the light ..........

How much more light would that prick need if ICC rules in line with IGF and other sources that are siding with AVZ ?

 

[JAG]

This popped up on my LI feed with some comments who are definitely behind us.

 

[Dazmac66]

Maybe Nigel is playing the long game, delay till the ICC exposes the corruption??

 

[Sparrowhawk12]

Maybe Nigel is playing the long game, delay till the ICC exposes the corruption??

Pointless waiting/hoping for ICC exposee. IGF/Jules has done that, better, already. Nige & BoD need to access Felix and fix ownership now.

 

[MoneyBags1348]

Question for @obe wan

Hi obe, I believe this is in your area of expertise. Every now an then I look up something different about our company and I was thinking about those shorting aseholes who quietly lurk here in the background and then I thought I would have another look at our top 20 holders.

What I noticed is that since June last year, Yibin have managed to add 14 million shares to their total; HSBC Custody Nominees (AUSTRALIA) LTD have added 26 million shares to their total; CITICORP Nominees have added 25 million; and it's looking like Craig Allan Doran's brother has joined the top 20 with 15 million shares....

Any thoughts on this relatively quiet day regarding the trading obe?

June 2022

YIBIN TIANYI LITHIUM INDUSTRY CO LTD - 237,500,000
HUAYOU INTERNATIONAL MINING (HONGKONG) LIMITED - 216,615,790
LITHIUM PLUS - 176,247,369

HSBC CUSTODY NOMINEES (AUSTRALIA) LIMITED - 211,539,832
HSBC CUSTODY NOMINEES (AUSTRALIA) LIMITED (A/C 2) - 17,128,862

BNP PARIBAS NOMINEES PTY LTD ACF CLEARSTREAM - 184,918,221
BNP PARIBAS NOMINEES PTY LTD - 81,738,575
BNP PARIBAS NOMS PTY LTD - 64,493,780

J P MORGAN NOMINEES AUSTRALIA PTY LIMITED - 125,177,475
CITICORP NOMINEES PTY LIMITED - 109,787,311

ACUITY CAPITAL INVESTMENT MGT PTY LTD - 60,000,000 (STEPHEN EARL)
RIDGEBACK HOLDINGS PTY LTD - 51,013,404 (NIGEL FERGSON)
CERTANE CT PTY LTD - 47,439,460 (DARRAN JODEY GOODGER)
EQUITY PLAN SERVICES PTY LTD - 33,614,766

MRS LIYUN HUANG - 27,086,625
MR CRAIG ALAN DORAN - 22,572,388

SBL POSITIONS - 22,232,116
NATIONAL NOMINEES LIMITED - 21,334,929
CS THIRD NOMINEES PTY LIMITED - 20,231,644

MR KEVIN GRIFFITHS - 17,220,000


23 January 2034

YIBIN TIANYI LITHIUM INDUSTRY CO LTD - 251,500,000
HUAYOU INTERNATIONAL MINING (HONGKONG) LIMITED - 216,615,790
LITHIUM PLUS - 176,247,369

HSBC CUSTODY NOMINEES (AUSTRALIA) LIMITED 237,206,295
HSBC CUSTODY NOMINEES (AUSTRALIA) LIMITED - A/C 2 17,099,197

BNP PARIBAS NOMINEES PTY LTD ACF CLEARSTREAM - 184,706,721
BNP PARIBAS NOMINEES PTY LTD - 81,799,905
BNP PARIBAS NOMS PTY LTD - 64,230,980

J P MORGAN NOMINEES AUSTRALIA PTY LIMITED -126,520,418
CITICORP NOMINEES PTY LIMITED - 135,068,439

ACUITY CAPITAL INVESTMENT MGT PTY LTD - 60,000,000 (STEPHEN EARL)
RIDGEBACK HOLDINGS PTY LTD - 51,013,404 (NIGEL FERGSON)
CERTANE CT PTY LTD - 47,439,460 (DARRAN JODEY GOODGER)
EQUITY PLAN SERVICES PTY LTD - 33,614,766

MRS LIYUN HUANG - 27,086,625
MR CRAIG ALAN DORAN - 22,572,388

SBL POSITIONS - 22,232,116
NATIONAL NOMINEES LIMITED - 20,573,285
CS THIRD NOMINEES PTY LIMITED - 20,231,644

MR KEVIN GRIFFITHS - 17,220,000
MR KAI GUO - 16,000,000
MR LAWRENCE EDWARD DORAN - 15,000,000

 

[Dazmac66]

Pointless waiting/hoping for ICC exposee. IGF/Jules has done that, better, already. Nige & BoD need to access Felix and fix ownership now.

This approach has come up with donuts so far mate. My comment was probably tongue in cheek - but still we have made little progress that we know of.

 

[Hemicuda]

Any one else notice the bot spam has disappeared from the bird

 

[Onthefm]

Pointless waiting/hoping for ICC exposee. IGF/Jules has done that, better, already. Nige & BoD need to access Felix and fix ownership now.

Agree. What happened at the icc regards the 5 % that was supposed to be sorted 3/4 weeks ago wasn't it. Cheers mate

 

[Coulomb]

I'd like to make one suggestion, if I may, to all the lurkers in here. And I know there are many because I'm often quite tickled by the amount of love and likes some of my posts get from members who never say a word. Which is perfectly fine by the way.

But given the amount of you, I reckon it would be great if you could all spend a few minutes creating a twitter account and then going on and following people like @JAG and myself @Spikerama and anyone else you know in here that have revealed their twitter handle and then like the living shit out of everything they post in relation to AVZ.

From there you can see other like minded twitter users who you can also follow and like their stuff. You don't even have to say anything. Just like it up. Because one thing I know about social is we need more than just a few likes to get any real traction. We need hundreds, if not thousands. So every little heart counts at this point.

And I'm sure there are quite a few of you silent ones who have already done just that and are fighting the good fight with sore thumbs but I urge the rest who haven't yet, to enlist and join the fight.

IMPORTANT NOTE: If you are going to like something that is in French, make sure you read the translation version first because it's very easy to be voting for a detractors viewpoint. You can translate twitter posts by clicking on the text of their main post and there will be a blue "translate" link at the bottom. Easy peasy.

We thank you for your service.

Hi all - my first post on here. Worldwide Twitter activity maps show sparse activity in the DRC, so the truth may reach only a few. Who else close to Felix is vested in the prosperity of their people, and would benefit from exposure to the truth about what's going on? I find the bar chart with Zijin on the far end of human rights abuse to be particularly engaging, for example. The DRC is at a fork in the road, and the few who can influence this need to understand well where each road will take them, right up to and including Felix.

 

[Doc]

Question for @obe wan

Hi obe, I believe this is in your area of expertise. Every now an then I look up something different about our company and I was thinking about those shorting aseholes who quietly lurk here in the background and then I thought I would have another look at our top 20 holders.

What I noticed is that since June last year, Yibin have managed to add 14 million shares to their total; HSBC Custody Nominees (AUSTRALIA) LTD have added 26 million shares to their total; CITICORP Nominees have sold off 25 million; and if Craig Allan Doran is @Deboss, it looks like his brother has joined the top 20 with 15 million shares.... Little bit of bait added there to see if the Boss actually has a nibble Or is the Boss really Stephen Earl?!

Any thoughts on this relatively quiet day regarding the trading obe?

June 2022

YIBIN TIANYI LITHIUM INDUSTRY CO LTD - 237,500,000
HUAYOU INTERNATIONAL MINING (HONGKONG) LIMITED - 216,615,790
LITHIUM PLUS - 176,247,369

HSBC CUSTODY NOMINEES (AUSTRALIA) LIMITED - 211,539,832
HSBC CUSTODY NOMINEES (AUSTRALIA) LIMITED (A/C 2) - 17,128,862

BNP PARIBAS NOMINEES PTY LTD ACF CLEARSTREAM - 184,918,221
BNP PARIBAS NOMINEES PTY LTD - 81,738,575
BNP PARIBAS NOMS PTY LTD - 64,493,780

J P MORGAN NOMINEES AUSTRALIA PTY LIMITED - 125,177,475
CITICORP NOMINEES PTY LIMITED - 109,787,311
CERTANE CT PTY LTD - 47,439,460 (DARRAN JODEY GOODGER)

ACUITY CAPITAL INVESTMENT MGT PTY LTD - 60,000,000 (STEPHEN EARL)
RIDGEBACK HOLDINGS PTY LTD - 51,013,404 (NIGEL FERGSON)
EQUITY PLAN SERVICES PTY LTD - 33,614,766

MRS LIYUN HUANG - 27,086,625
MR KEVIN GRIFFITHS - 17,220,000
MR CRAIG ALAN DORAN - 22,572,388

SBL POSITIONS - 22,232,116
NATIONAL NOMINEES LIMITED - 21,334,929
CS THIRD NOMINEES PTY LIMITED - 20,231,644


23 January 2034

YIBIN TIANYI LITHIUM INDUSTRY CO LTD - 251,500,000
HUAYOU INTERNATIONAL MINING (HONGKONG) LIMITED - 216,615,790
LITHIUM PLUS - 176,247,369

HSBC CUSTODY NOMINEES (AUSTRALIA) LIMITED 237,206,295
HSBC CUSTODY NOMINEES (AUSTRALIA) LIMITED - A/C 2 17,099,197

BNP PARIBAS NOMINEES PTY LTD ACF CLEARSTREAM - 184,706,721
BNP PARIBAS NOMINEES PTY LTD - 81,799,905
BNP PARIBAS NOMS PTY LTD - 64,230,980

J P MORGAN NOMINEES AUSTRALIA PTY LIMITED -126,520,418
CITICORP NOMINEES PTY LIMITED - 135,068,439
CERTANE CT PTY LTD - 47,439,460 (DARRAN JODEY GOODGER)

ACUITY CAPITAL INVESTMENT MGT PTY LTD - 60,000,000 (STEPHEN EARL)
RIDGEBACK HOLDINGS PTY LTD - 51,013,404 (NIGEL FERGSON)
EQUITY PLAN SERVICES PTY LTD - 33,614,766

MRS LIYUN HUANG - 27,086,625
MR KEVIN GRIFFITHS - 17,220,000
MR CRAIG ALAN DORAN - 22,572,388

SBL POSITIONS - 22,232,116
NATIONAL NOMINEES LIMITED - 20,573,285
CS THIRD NOMINEES PTY LIMITED - 20,231,644

MR KAI GUO - 16,000,000
MR LAWRENCE EDWARD DORAN - 15,000,000


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Dont think thats Deboss

 

[JAG]

Pointless waiting/hoping for ICC exposee. IGF/Jules has done that, better, already. Nige & BoD need to access Felix and fix ownership now.

Maybe I'm being selfish here, but I want the cunts exposed for who they are and what they have done with every bit of dirty laundry aired for the entire world to see.

I want to see their left nut crushed and pulverized into oblivion with their name dragged through the mud. I want them to feel the fuckin pain each and every one of us has felt over these months whilst in suspension.

May the fleas of a thousand camels infest their underwear

IMO.

 

[Spikerama]

Maybe I'm being selfish here, but I want the cunts exposed for who they are and what they have done with every bit of dirty laundry aired for the entire world to see.

I want to see their left nut crushed and pulverized into oblivion with their name dragged through the mud. I want them to feel the fuckin pain each and every one of us has felt over these months whilst in suspension.

May the fleas of a thousand camels infest their underwear

IMO.

 

[MoneyBags1348]

Dont think thats Deboss

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Thanks Doc, I'm narrowing down the suspects and the walls are closing in on the winking man

 

[Hemicuda]

Any one else notice the bot spam has disappeared from the bird

And it’s back in my feed

 

[Dijon101]

Lots of great info coming through lately.

Feels like the mood has changed here significantly more optimistic overall. Even if no one has clear understanding of where we are.

I stated previously I thought that the cost of doing business in the DRC was a minority ownership by zinjin. If you use AVZ as an example it looks like when a significant deposit was discovered, zinjin would just come in last minute with the brown paper and comi would accept.
Standard practice and way of doing business for way to long.

Just trying to join a few dots here.
It's been previously stated over a year ago that Felix was revisting all mining agreements and now we are hearing news of the DRC wanting a further 1.3 billion from China for these agreements.

The USA is now using the United nations charter to fight corruption in the DRC. They would not be able to do this without an invite from the DRC. in my opinion that is.

I still believe that it was AVZ that did not want to progress to production with zinjin as a minority partner.

Zinjin called avz to the icc, to which AVZ gladly accepted.

I do hope that the AVZ /Zinjin case is being used as an example of how the business climate is changing and that the drc is making moves to stamp out corruption of this type.

Comi are the corrupt fuckers that have been selling off DRC assets for snacks as a way of life.

Quick thoughts while I have a 5 minute break.