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Joseph Kabila was said to be the true owner of Dathomir, not Dathcom. Statements now that he is not directly or indirectly involved in Dathcom, means Dathomir aren't directly involved anymore. Just to edit an add on, the alternate view could be that Dathomir is trying to separate its entity entirely from Kabila because of it’s claim, but I imagine any claim by Dathomir is null and void and Cominiere claim they lent Dathomir 5% of their shares.
Just to add to my previous post, I have since found that AVZ did say in an interview with Global Witness that “it had found no adverse information about Dathomir’s owner and it had engaged in a due diligence process that found no ‘inappropriate links’ to the regime of former DRC President Joseph Kabila”. Which is one reason I find having to sift through unrelated and less informative information only slows up the process when you are trying to dig up as much relevant information as you can with the time you’ve got
 
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Would it be fair to say we are in
a) better position
b) same as before
c) there is no “c”
than where we were a week ago with these latest developments, announcements and activities in DRC 🤷‍♂️
English is not my first language so I miss between the line information in these press releases and announcements.
Personally I think we are in a better position, yes?
 
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Would it be fair to say we are in
a) better position
b) same as before
c) there is no “c”
than where we were a week ago with these latest developments, announcements and activities in DRC 🤷‍♂️
English is not my first language so I miss between the line information in these press releases and announcements.
Personally I think we are in a better position, yes?
a) better position
 
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Would it be fair to say we are in
a) better position
b) same as before
c) there is no “c”
than where we were a week ago with these latest developments, announcements and activities in DRC 🤷‍♂️
English is not my first language so I miss between the line information in these press releases and announcements.
Personally I think we are in a better position, yes?
B
 
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Mickyb64

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Would it be fair to say we are in
a) better position
b) same as before
c) there is no “c”
than where we were a week ago with these latest developments, announcements and activities in DRC 🤷‍♂️
English is not my first language so I miss between the line information in these press releases and announcements.
Personally I think we are in a better position, yes?
(a)
 
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aanti.dumb

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To start ..., don't forget:

One bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

If Zijin would pay AVZ an amount in excess of USD 1.5 billion for 30% of AVZ's 75% ownership of Dathcom and the final ownership split would be:

AVZ 45%
Zijin 45%
DRC 10%

AVZ/Zijin operatorship of the mine, Catl as a secured off take customer/DRC battery manufacturer, I can see merit in this idea.

But Zijin suggesting to pay AVZ USD 500 million is very simple laughable.
AVZ is not as stupid as Cominière.

AVZ so far has developed this resource from an abandoned tin mine to a discovery of a mammoth lithium/tin resource.

AVZ never owned the 15% it intended to buy from Cominière, that deal is between Zijin and Cominiè/DRC government (who got screwed in the process by its corrupt players, That is Felix' mess to sort out and AVZ should not get involved in this mess).

It allows to proceed with this mine, stop the legal mess and move on.
Yes AVZ will finish up with 6% less, but it partners with a huge miner with large operations and mining experience in the DRC.

AVZ will have also after the dust settles enough funds to progress with different projects.

Just my 2 bob worth

It allows AVZ quickly together with Zijin to develop this mine into a massive operation.

Maybe I'm just dreaming, but I don't want this impasse to develop into a disaster.
AVZ 45%
Zijin 45%
DRC 10%

I don't think this can happen. My understanding is that a condition of the ML is that than one party maintain a MAJORITY ownership whish is %51.
 
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Chase

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AVZ 45%
Zijin 45%
DRC 10%

I don't think this can happen. My understanding is that a condition of the ML is that than one party maintain a MAJORITY ownership whish is %51.
I'm only new to this..but is the 51% required majority needed to be from Dathcom or AVZ itself?
 
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Chase

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I'm only new to this..but is the 51% required majority needed to be from Dathcom or AVZ itself?
Yeah just worked that one out..all good no reply needed
 
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I'm only new to this..but is the 51% required majority needed to be from Dathcom or AVZ itself?
I believe it's actually Dathcom (ie the company who applied for the licence) that must hold at least 51%.
 
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I believe it's actually Dathcom (ie the company who applied for the licence) that must hold at least 51%.
Just look at the following example:
The Kamoa-Kakula Copper Mine — a joint venture between Ivanhoe Mines (39.6%), Zijin Mining Group (39.6%), Crystal River Global Limited (0.8%) and the Government of the Democratic Republic of Congo (20%)
 
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Just look at the following example:
The Kamoa-Kakula Copper Mine — a joint venture between Ivanhoe Mines (39.6%), Zijin Mining Group (39.6%), Crystal River Global Limited (0.8%) and the Government of the Democratic Republic of Congo (20%)
To my understanding if we're talking about the application for the licence, AVZ applied for the licence on behalf of Dathcom and not as AVZ to become the licence holder.
 
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Would it be fair to say we are in
a) better position
b) same as before
c) there is no “c”
than where we were a week ago with these latest developments, announcements and activities in DRC 🤷‍♂️
English is not my first language so I miss between the line information in these press releases and announcements.
Personally I think we are in a better position, yes?

A) better position.

Although I do think we've been in a pretty good position all along. All of the noise so far has been from the short brigade and z.

I also would like to think Nigel, AVZ and their lawyers are not naive enough to think that either the DRC is dodgy, business world is ruthless, or the Chinese would exploit any contractual weakness or mistake.

They've done genuine investors a massive favour by putting us into suspension while everything gets sorted out. The noise has only been able to be noise.
Sit tight everyone.
 
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Just look at the following example:
The Kamoa-Kakula Copper Mine — a joint venture between Ivanhoe Mines (39.6%), Zijin Mining Group (39.6%), Crystal River Global Limited (0.8%) and the Government of the Democratic Republic of Congo (20%)
I wondered about that too and whether that may be because that JV was formed prior to the new Mining Code taking effect. I have not researched into this yet. IMO
 
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"...including in Western Australia, which was home to some the world’s largest hard-rock lithium deposits."
Notice "was" used. Likely because Manono is now widely accepted as the world's largest hard-rock deposit.

" “The battery materials business is fairly location-agnostic, so we are looking at opportunities everywhere,” Kaufman said..."
Tell that to those downrampers.

DYOR
 
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Frank

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It's interesting they are coming out of the woodwork now?
*Fyi, fwiw, as

Cominière, Dathomir, Zijin, AVZ Minerals, Dathcom Mining: What is happening concretely?​


In an interview conducted by the editorial staff of MNM with the law firm Momentum, the authorities of AVZ gave answers to understand the reasons for the agitation and gluttonous appetite around Manono’s lithium since the validation of the ‘Final feasibility study made by AVZ Minerals.

MNM:

Cominière asks AVZ to stop publishing more online and on the stock exchange about its shares, in particular the 75%, because it is false.


Cabinet Momentum: AVZ retorts that it reports the reality of the facts legally established by all the legal and regulatory texts of the DRC: to date AVZ owns 75% of shares which are totally crystallized by the fact that Jin Chen, the subsidiary of Zijin is not a shareholder of Dathcom shareholder because according to the statutes of this JV can only be a shareholder who has an account in the register of shareholders, who has adhered to the Joint-Venture agreement.

AVZ’s right of pre-emption is an acquired and real right which renders legally null and void any action seeking to ignore it.

MNM:

Should politicians and other public officials be brought to justice because of the mismanagement of Cominière’s assets through its JVs?


Answer: AVZ will support any initiative of NGOs and the media or other Congolese authorities on this subject, it will feel happy to share interesting and useful information for the success of the cause.

The DRC must respect the laws of the country and protect the business climate

The editorial staff of MNM noted that, taking into account several documents and testimonies on Dathcom Mining, the calamitous management of the various partnerships of La Cominière by the group of Mr. Mwamba Athanase, the trials in Lubumbashi and Kalemie or in Paris around the joint ventures whose JV UC (United Cominière), the political, Chinese and business agitations around the PE of Dathcom, the reports and alerts of NGOs, it is imperative for all Congolese political leaders to respect the Mining Law and protect the business climate and cease to block the development of the country’s first lithium project.

The editorial staff of MNM noted that, taking into account several documents and testimonies on Dathcom Mining, the calamitous management of the various partnerships of La Cominière by the group of Mr. Mwamba Athanase, the trials in Lubumbashi and Kalemie or in Paris around the joint ventures whose JV UC (United Cominière), the political, Chinese and business agitations around the PE of Dathcom, the reports and alerts of NGOs, it is imperative for all Congolese political leaders to respect the Mining Law and protect the business climate and cease to block the development of the country’s first lithium project.

Below is the full interview.

 
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CMOC’s Congo mine suspends copper and cobalt exports

CMOC’s Tenke Fungurume copper and cobalt mine has suspended all exports, logistics companies were told in a notice seen by Reuters late on Saturday, complying with demands by a court-appointed administrator.
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A CMOC spokesman did not immediately reply to a request for comment but had said on Friday that the mine, which accounted for more than 10% of worldwide cobalt output in 2021, had not issued any instructions to stop exports.

CMOC has been locked in dispute with the administrator appointed in February to run the mine for six months in response to a lawsuit by Congo state miner Gecamines, a minority stakeholder in Tenke Fungurume.

The administrator, Sage Ngoie Mbayo, this month demanded that CMOC suspend marketing and export of its production because CMOC and Gecamines had not reached agreement this year on how to sell the mine’s output.

CMOC, meanwhile, has denied the administrator access to the mine site.

In the notice to companies that transport the mine’s output, a CMOC unit announced immediate suspension of access to the mine for all copper and cobalt trucks until July 24, adding that companies would be informed if exports could resume on July 25.

Three industry sources confirmed the suspension, speaking on condition of anonymity.

The administrator’s appointment stemmed from allegations by Gecamines that CMOC understated the mine’s reserves to reduce royalties it pays to Gecamines. CMOC denies the allegations.

Congo’s government announced last August that it had formed a commission to reassess reserve levels, a rare instance of Congolese authorities challenging the Chinese companies that dominate its mining sector.


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VW’s battery business faces supply chain hurdles

Volkswagen AG’s newly formed battery business is working to overcome supply-chain headwinds as it ramps up production and prepares for an initial public offering as soon as next year.
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PowerCo, which bundles the carmaker’s global battery efforts, is trying to secure raw materials amid surging prices and logistics issues, according to the unit’s Chief Financial Officer Kai Alexander Mueller.

VW plans to partner with Umicore SA to source cathode materials, is exploring working with Robert Bosch GmbH for machinery and agreed to offtake battery-grade lithium hydroxide from miner Vulcan Energy Resources.

“The supply chain for our business simply doesn’t exist today,” Mueller said in an interview.

“What is important is working with suppliers to scale this industry.”


Automakers from VW to General Motors Co. are exploring different business models as they race to electrify their lineups and catch Tesla Inc., the world’s top seller of electric vehicles.

Europe is trying to build up a homegrown battery industry to counter the dominance of Asian suppliers.

PowerCo, which broke ground on its first European factory last week, is expected to invest more than 20 billion euros ($20 billion) in five of its own cell factories by 2030.

Its flagship plant in Salzgitter, Germany, is due to start pilot production in 2024.

VW is building a sixth factory in Sweden via a partnership with Northvolt AB.

VW remains open to IPO the unit after financing it internally and inviting in strategic partners, VW CFO Arno Antlitz said last month, adding that the business has been set up in a way to facilitate a potential listing next year or in 2024.

PowerCo is meant to bundle VW’s battery-making activities much in the same way as its Cariad unit is attempting to streamline software efforts.

It will oversee activities including procurement, raw-materials processing, product development and plant management.

The push ties into VW’s efforts to streamline decision-making and make the vast conglomerate leaner and more focused.

“We are starting from the beginning to cover all aspects, from the mine to the end product,” Mueller said.

“We need to understand the sourcing, pricing to have a competitive product.”


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More Food for thought on the Road to Mining Manono :unsure:
 
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